[Feldeinsamkeit]

(03-16-2016 05:11 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

Poker - damn son, my bad. She is from my former neck of the woods. I don't blame you for working on a exit plan, simply shocking.

Feldeinsamkeit - I am a older dog myself. You cannot blame those old hags, you can only blame the thirsty young boys who are giving them dick. I could never get hard for that wrinkly hag, simply shocking. Usually women like her have to go overseas to get third world dick.

I was in London until 2010, I did not experience anything like that. I found the invasion of Eastern European girls made the market better, alot of the UK women started to complain that men were choosing them instead. My friends are telling me these women from EE/Central Europe are still coming over, most of them end up in London.
Better yet, why don't you go visit some of these countries, I mean you have so many to choose from. Bulgaria, Romania, Czech, Slovakia, Hungary, Balkans, Baltics and I still think there are a few good spots in Western Europe.

It is certainly a better proposition than someone living in Canada or Australia, we don't have many places we can escape to for the weekend.

I still stand by what I said before, London would be a good move. Maybe you could tell us what it was like living in Germany?

All good points, Rudebwoy, but unfortunately I don't have the dough to afford to live in London, so that isn't an option for me. As for Germany, I was dyed-in-the-wool blue pill when I was living there and trapped in a bad LTR, so I never really got much of a sense of what the dating market was like for most guys, although I did have the impression that guys were not as thirsty as in the UK.

Having said that, back in 2009 I rolled out solo to a disco in Braunschweig one night and picked up a decent-looking bird at least 10 years my junior and who was keen to take me back to her place. Foolishly, I went back to my arsehole of an ex, but it was a shock to see that it wasn't as difficult as trying to pull women here in the UK. In fact, when I first went to live in Germany in 2003, in the first week of arriving I remember getting laid and, now looking back, I couldn't possibly imagine replicating such feats back in Britain. But, in answer to your suggestion about going to central/eastern Europe, I've decided to return to Germany and have spent the last few weeks arranging accommodation in Leipzig to this end. Yes, I know that Germany isn't Poland when it comes to quality of women, but I still think it will be a step up from my options here and my decision to go there is only in part determined by the pussy drought that I'm experiencing here.

[Feldeinsamkeit]

(03-17-2016 03:39 AM)262 Wrote:  

Feldeinsamkeit, how are you doing with your plan to escape Western Europe? Haven't seen you post about that in a while. Figured talking about that might improve your mood, or at least spur you to action.

Thanks for your concern, 262. I'll be honest, the reason I haven't posted for some time is because my mood has been really in the shitter of late due to my ever-expanding dry spell - I recently passed the 2 year milestone again - and I've noticed in the past month how it's seriously starting to fuck with my head and I really feel on the edge most of the time now, so I know something is going to give sooner or later, so I've been trying to just hold things together mentally until I get my act together.

Anyway, long story short is that I'm in the process of moving over to Leipzig in Germany, since I know somebody who's prepared to put me up for a couple of months whilst I sort myself out financially and have the possibility to properly check out the place. I'm guessing that my options there can't possibly be any worse than they are here in the UK.

[Druber]

Try to keep it together. I too know the feeling (as well as the ill health). Can you use a prostitute to keep your spirits up, until you get your shit together?

I'm too in the UK (East), and I'm fully aware of the challenges facing guys like us. But, I'm determined to keep trying in the face of all these challenges.

[ksbms]

Feldeinsamkeit, target other women. I've been in the UK for a long time now and have never got love from British women and, frankly, I don't seek love from them - I get much better treatment from girls outwith UK.

To prove my point, today (i've got many stories like that), I was at the Post Office and it just happened that there was a bona fine, acceptably looking "five", perhaps "five and a half", so, what the hell, why not?

We were both filling in some papers at a counter so I've chatted her up. Her interest was, at best, limp and lackluster - I got asked no question in return, not even for the sake of her having small talk out of boredom. I felt I was a nuisance impinging on her very important schedule regarding her student life.

This girl, in terms of phenotypic qualities, appearance, and attitude was like a cobblestone to marble of a Latina girl with whom I had a romantic encounter last week and was lavished with compliments, attention and, yes, had her pay for my meals, drinks and other stuff.

Surprise, surprise, the Latina was a head turner.

In other words, on average, British girls are not worth it.

[Feldeinsamkeit]

I've just relocated my Tinder profile this morning to Leipzig using the FakeGPS tool and I've already had an eye-opener. I was expecting that, being in a region (i.e. eastern Germany) with traditionally poor ratios, at least in the countryside and small towns, most of the women on there would be similar to north east England, i.e. fat and with a cunty attitude. Let's face it, German girls are generally not held to be in the same category as Polish or SEA girls, but the difference in quality - both in terms of intellect, looks and attitude when compared with UK women - is already noticeable.

Not only is what I feared not the case, but about half an hour ago a slim, decent-looking 7 just asked ME out on a date after some message ping-pong, thinking I was just living around the corner from her. That is, a slim 7, thoughtful and with a seemingly pleasant and upbeat personality just asked me out - fuck, this shit is unreal and I can't wait to get my arse over there if this is any indication of how the SMP might be compared to the UK.

I've also been chatting to another woman, a little older, who also seems keen. Again, she's slim and a very respectable 6.5, no attitude issues and who is good with wordplay and, in sharp distinction to UK women, is doing at least 50% of the rowing in the conversation.

[rudebwoy]

Germany doesn't have the same amount of fat women as the UK. I have always seen decent talent there the few times I rolled through there.

You lived there for 10 years, so this shouldn't be a shocker for you.

Maybe it is time to move back.

[Feldeinsamkeit]

(04-27-2016 01:43 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

Germany doesn't have the same amount of fat women as the UK. I have always seen decent talent there the few times I rolled through there.

You lived there for 10 years, so this shouldn't be a shocker for you.

Maybe it is time to move back.

Well, the last place I was living was a small town of just 30,000 people, of whom the majority had one foot in the grave, so there was never that much of a talent pool to judge from. And, in any case, I was still dyed-in-the-wool blue pill in those days, trapped in a shit LTR with a German woman, so I very rarely tried to test the waters, as it were.

I'd heard many reports in the past few years - and seen some statistics to back it up - that German women have ballooned out somewhat, although Germany still seems like a better deal than the UK on that, as well as other fronts, as far as the women are concerned.

And yes, I'm already in the process of moving to Leipzig, it's just a question of sorting out logistics at the moment.

[XPQ22]

(02-19-2016 07:57 PM)RatInTheWoods Wrote:  

The bottom line is this:

The age old contract of pussey for resources has been broken by the government in the west.

Yup, they wanted the patriarchy destroyed, and they're getting their wish. Why do you think they wanted it that way? So everyone could be "equal"? Hah.

Good news for players. Bad news for everyone else.

Frankly, I'm ambivalent. For my part I don't think I wanted some sad gubmint cheese handout pussy anyway.

[zatara]

Germany gets a very bad rep because most tourists only ever visit Berlin or the other big northern cities like Frankfurt. Berlin girls are just awful on every level - looks (shaved heads, fat) and attitude (aggressively feminist, very cold emotionally). Frankfurt also has lots of 'modern career women' feminist types to be avoided.

If you go to the smaller towns, or even the bigger southern cities like Munich, its much less of a problem though. The girls will still be rather dry / boring / sober (ie they'll be German - theres no escaping that), but at least you'll be able to find pretty, thin and somewhat socially conservative ones. Plus the Bavarians aren't quite as boring to be around as their Northern compatriots.

[Rigsby]

(04-27-2016 01:27 PM)Feldeinsamkeit Wrote:  

I've just relocated my Tinder profile this morning to Leipzig using the FakeGPS tool and I've already had an eye-opener. I was expecting that, being in a region (i.e. eastern Germany) with traditionally poor ratios, at least in the countryside and small towns, most of the women on there would be similar to north east England, i.e. fat and with a cunty attitude. Let's face it, German girls are generally not held to be in the same category as Polish or SEA girls, but the difference in quality - both in terms of intellect, looks and attitude when compared with UK women - is already noticeable.

I was most impressed by the women in East Germany (I was between Leipzig and Dresden). Both their looks and their attitude. Ok, not perfect, and still fucked up, but nowhere near the sheer fucked up ness that abounds in Blighty (England).

As always, you have to start as you mean to go on. Put your foot down from word go. Don't have to be heavy. Just firm. With a smile even.

German women are some of the most high-quality women still available on the planet. Ignore them at your peril. Ok, they are a dying breed, and in 10 years it will all be over. But right now, if you are around those parts, get stuck in!

It's difficult though socially, and all that, I understand. Also I notice a bit of puritanism mixed in with the sheer perversion of some German girls. But 20 minutes in, you should know what you are dealing with.


The women of the UK are beyond hope. They have committed some kind of suicide and are only being propped up by beta boys thirstier than the sun! Let 'em have each other.

It's difficult where I am because of genetics and in-breeding. Every single women you see has legs that starts at her knees, and an arse twice as broad as her shoulders. Without fail. I'm in the South-West of England, and those around here will know of what I speak.

Add on top of that, cuntish attitudes. Plus, they have beta orbiters scooping up their shit as they walk along the road, dropping their droppings as they go. Plop, plop, sorry ma'am, I think I might have missed one. Plop. Sad fuckers.

I actually find the women here physically repulsive after going out with leggy big titted blondes and curvey saucey brunettes. The cunty attitude is a bridge too far for me, when they look as they do. Sorry. I won't play that game. I've got high standards. I wouldn't even put up with that shit if you were an 8.

But what do I know? I'm just another alpha* male, dying on the vine, getting eye-fucked by all those married wives, who would betray their husbands in an instant, should the opportunity arise.

*(I'm more beta than alpha, but from a personal perspective, I'm still probably more alpha than the rest of the gammas, if you get me)


There's a stables around here, and all the horsey girls seem to go mad for me for some reason. But I won't shit on my own doorstep. They are either overweight or stink of cigarettes, so I don't bother approaching. Not possible in the local shop anyway. Not going to happen.

And those girls will go home after riding their horses all day and think of me, perhaps when they are riding their boyfriends (or girlfriends) at night.

It's strange being a man. And an attractive man that women obviously find irresistible to an extent (it gets embarrassing how they stare sometimes), yet nothing ever comes of it. They have a raging passion inside that is not fulfilled. I bet they are the ones going and whacking off to all the porn on the net later to release their frustrations. I don't know.

Things are not going to change in our lifetime in the UK. British women are a fucking disgrace to the race. The human race. They are even cunty on the phone. I just had a wonderfully fruity and risque conversation with a Phillipina lady today. I pushed her right to the edge. She loved it. She had to put the phone down in the end, coz it was veering too much one way. But what game!

You can't do that with UK women. It's the sad chumps that marry them and end up paying for the kids after getting divorce raped I feel sorry for. It's not like they even know how to dress or wear their hair in a pleasing manner.

[XPQ22]

(02-19-2016 04:48 PM)Feldeinsamkeit Wrote:  

So, as a response to Centurion, I'll leave the following questions for discussion: Do RVFers agree that women in the Anglosphere interact with men in a highly transactional way, such that even reciprocating in a conversation initiated by a man is regarded by the woman as an act of sexual favour towards him that he has already "earned" by dint of his perceived higher status? And, if so, do you agree that this modus operandi of Anglo women contributes in any significant way to why men are so thirsty there?

I think this is overthinking it. I don't think they're really consciously thinking about stuff like that in a "transactional" sense.

They're just busy. They're wrapped up in their own lives, jobs, and personal daily drama.

For the most part, they're really not thinking about you. Catch them at the right moment and they might respond warmly...ten minutes later they've been distracted by something else and ignore you. The overwhelming majority of random guys, attractive or not, high SMV or not, just aren't on their radar.

They strike me as mostly just oblivious. I think it has more to do with a consequence of high-technology society than necessarily innately sexual.

[Centurion]

(04-27-2016 06:22 PM)XPQ22 Wrote:  

(02-19-2016 04:48 PM)Feldeinsamkeit Wrote:  

So, as a response to Centurion, I'll leave the following questions for discussion: Do RVFers agree that women in the Anglosphere interact with men in a highly transactional way, such that even reciprocating in a conversation initiated by a man is regarded by the woman as an act of sexual favour towards him that he has already "earned" by dint of his perceived higher status? And, if so, do you agree that this modus operandi of Anglo women contributes in any significant way to why men are so thirsty there?

I think this is overthinking it. I don't think they're really consciously thinking about stuff like that in a "transactional" sense.

They're just busy. They're wrapped up in their own lives, jobs, and personal daily drama.

For the most part, they're really not thinking about you. Catch them at the right moment and they might respond warmly...ten minutes later they've been distracted by something else and ignore you. The overwhelming majority of random guys, attractive or not, high SMV or not, just aren't on their radar.

They strike me as mostly just oblivious. I think it has more to do with a consequence of high-technology society than necessarily innately sexual.

That's interesting to me... I've always had a real HBD/evo psych view on things. But it does seem more "correct" that they just don't care as much.

[XPQ22]

(04-27-2016 07:45 PM)Centurion Wrote:  

That's interesting to me... I've always had a real HBD/evo psych view on things. But it does seem more "correct" that they just don't care as much.

I've banged a couple girls who look like pin-up models. I also regularly get ignored and shot down by dumpy, chubby girls in clubs who are "5s" at best.

There's really little explanation for it in my mind except "women are fickle and busy and oblivious."

If you're expecting some kind of situation where you reach a certain level of attractiveness/style/game such that all women under some arbitrarily defined numerical metric of physical attractiveness are going to give you heavy IOIs you're definitely fooling yourself. There will be hot girls who you "click" with, and dumpy broads who you just don't. Maybe those dumpy girls are already getting too much attention from orbiters. Maybe they're afraid you'll just pump and dump them. Maybe their cat died yesterday. Maybe the moon is in the House of Aquarius. Who knows.

IMO so called "IOIs" like eye contact are a worthless metric of your attractiveness/game, except in very certain circumstances. Do you think that every girl who gives you eye contact during the day is thinking "oh yeah that looks like a really high quality guy?" Chances are just as likely they're perturbed by the shape of your nose. Or they're looking right through you.

Evo-psych is one of those things that's fun to think about, but frankly culture and evolution have been tied up with one another for 100 thousand years, so it's hard to separate one from the other. I don't spend a lot of time pondering it because at the end of the day, it doesn't do much to get me laid.

I chose to jump in on this thread because I live in New England, and it's frankly quite a bit similar to Old England. The Massachusetts Bay Colony was founded by religious nutters so insufferable that even Old England didn't want to deal with them.

The bright spot is that like London, Boston is full of transplants from all over the country and the world. That's who I have the most success with. The girls who grew up around here? Who would want them?

Oh, BTW, Boston girls fall hard for UK accents. Come here if you want to smash some Yankee poon.

[Rush87]

Quote:

In particular, I would like to draw attention to the phenomenon whereby British women will behave fundamentally differently towards different types of men - both of whom still strangers to her - depending solely upon his perceived SMV relative to her own.

This quote jumps out at me. Personally, this isn't a British [Or Australian, Canadian, American] thing, this is a female thing. The reason it is so apparent in the aforementioned countries is that the sexual market is so terribly skewed.

I think you even answer your own question within your OP.

Quote:

My many interactions with women from outside of the Anglosphere have taught me that a woman won't make an automatic snap judgement about a guy simply based upon his appearance and that she will give the guy the time of day to at least get to know him before coming to any decision as to whether she wants to see him again or not. Put another way, a woman from say France or Germany, will at least treat a guy with a certain modicum of respect and acknowledge his presence and engage in some conversation with him if prompted without the hamster making a snap judgement about whether he is of higher SMV than her or not.

Unlike the nations you mention, the UK, Australia, Canada, Denmark etc have media, online dating and millions of men pedastalize men these women to a point where even a male 7 will feel what it is like to be a male 2 in a nation with normal gender interactions. Conversely a female 5 in these countries will receive the same adulation as a 1960's film starlet.

In other words these nations have allowed women to grossly over estimate their worth, and as such they are behaving poorly.