[Samseau]

(01-26-2016 06:57 AM)Tokyo Joe Wrote:  

Needless to say, I have never really been able to enjoy a Hollywood film after that. Makes you wonder what guys like Jimmy Stewart, James Mason, John Wayne, Gary Cooper got up to back in the day...

Those guys weren't Talmudic Jews. They actually fought and served in WW2 and many of them put their lives in danger. Could you imagine any of today's Hollywood stars fighting in a war for America's sake? Could you imagine even an ounce of patriotism from these guys?

Oh, and by the way, G Manifesto would always go on and on about how Hollywood stars were the coolest and were all left-wing. When I pointed out that 1950's Hollywood stars were mostly right-wing he would ignore it. I guess he was only attracted to the evil ones.

[Libertas]

TJ, do you have some further documentation of all of this?

All of what we're seeing is very plausible, and there is definitely an undercurrent of deviance as I mentioned with their celebration of Roman Polanski, who has evaded arrest for so long, being a big indicator.

But you would think that if all of this was so all-encompassing, more would leak out, especially in cases like you describe rather than just backdoor orgy deviance. Conspiracies and coverups get less effective the more widespread they are. Maybe conspiracy is the wrong word since it just seems like a fraternity of sort, which have always had rituals, and this is just an extremely deviant one, but you get the point.

(01-26-2016 01:24 AM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

^^^

I was just trying to point out that I can't see paganism as an effective counterweight to militant Islam. Paganism is disorganized, lacks any organized power structure, and has no militant tradition behind it, as does Christianity.

Paganism may be fine for symbolism and beer-hall chats, but militant Islam will run right over it.

To fight force, you need greater force.

Latin Christianity does have a very extensive militant tradition, but without the militant people to fill its ranks, nothing will happen.

Just like ISIS recruits people from around the world, maybe the papacy should stop pussy-footing around and organize militant groups to fight ISIS.

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I think you should check out some of the Golden One's videos on paganism vs Christianity, he makes some interesting points.

The best example I can think of is Egyptian paganism, which was extremely nationalistic and even hubristic. It successfully organized and where necessary, militarized the populace and the pharaohs certainly defended their civilization from invasion (like against the Sea Peoples) for thousands of years, with some failures thrown in between.

Greco-Roman paganism also "worked" to some extent too but it's debatable whether it was the paganism itself or simply the fact that the Greeks and Romans were extremely nationalistic themselves.

At any rate, Christianity, especially the protestant branches, unfortunately, seems to have totally surrendered its military tradition, which is to some extent a consequence of some of its core underpinnings.

Will it get that back? Debatable. Not looking good. So I understand why we're seeing in some ways some "grassroots" spiritual answers in people like the Golden One and so on.

[etwsake]

Again, I believe there's a lot of truth to elitism, NWO, conspiracy theory type stuff.

But you really believe Paul Newman tooled around upstate New York fucking underage boys in a white windowless RAPE VAN driven by a near-death Miss Daisy??

That's ludicrous. That's up there with Lizard People and rubbing baking soda on your skin can cure cancer.

I like this forum a lot, but things have gotten kinda weird around here lately.

[thoughtgypsy]

(01-26-2016 08:39 AM)Libertas Wrote:  

At any rate, Christianity, especially the protestant branches, unfortunately, seems to have totally surrendered its military tradition, which is to some extent a consequence of some of its core underpinnings.

Will it get that back? Debatable. Not looking good. So I understand why we're seeing in some ways some "grassroots" spiritual answers in people like the Golden One and so on.

American and Western Europe have not yet experienced the level of dehumanization that Russia has. Times of suffering and emptiness create a yearning for a spiritual awakening. Something to consider:

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But there is something they did not expect: that in a land where churches have been leveled, where a triumphant atheism has rampaged uncontrolled for two-thirds of a century, where the clergy is utterly humiliated and deprived of all independence, where what remains of the Church as an institution is tolerated only for the sake of propaganda directed at the West, where even today people are sent to the labor camps for their faith, and where, within the camps themselves, those who gather to pray at Easter are clapped in punishment cells--they could not suppose that beneath this Communist steamroller the Christian tradition would survive in Russia. It is true that millions of our countrymen have been corrupted and spiritually devastated by an officially imposed atheism, yet there remain many millions of believers: it is only external pressures that keep them from speaking out, but, as is always the ca se in times of persecution and suffering, the awareness of God in my country has attained great acuteness and profundity.

It is here that we see the dawn of hope: for no matter how formidably Communism bristles with tanks and rockets, no matter what successes it attains in seizing the planet, it is doomed never to vanquish Christianity.

http://www.roca.org/OA/36/36h.htm

[Beyond Borders]

(01-26-2016 06:57 AM)Tokyo Joe Wrote:  

And you know what the sickest part of this whole deal was? This was one of Philip Seymour Hoffman's first big Hollywood films -- he was only 25 years old at the time. Apparently he was shocked and devastated by what was going on, and couldn't cope with it. As an escape from this horror, he started shooting heroin, a habit which caught up with him in 2014. He was a decent man though and never joined in those rape van rides.

Hmmm...I have to say the sickest part for me was the snatching of and doing unspeakable things to young boys.

[ColSpanker]

You hear stories and wonder about what they hide. I have a friend who is recovering cocaine addict who told me he lived in LA in the 1980s. According to him, it wasn't unusual to see the dealers he bought from in extra roles on TV. Why? Because there is a lot of down time between the parts offered and you still have to pay rent. So a little side job running the Devil's nose candy becomes very convenient.
I remember hearing about Nick Nolte showing up at a bar I frequented in Columbus, OH when "Teachers" (1984) was being filmed at an abandoned high school in the city. While the patrons surrounded him praising his acting work, he just wanted to hook up with the chicks in the bar who had the biggest tits.
So every time some Hollywood cokehead tries to make a statement about social issues, I keep these stories in mind.
F*uck the Oscars. I boycott them every year on principle.

[Wutang]

(01-26-2016 01:24 AM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

^^^

I was just trying to point out that I can't see paganism as an effective counterweight to militant Islam. Paganism is disorganized, lacks any organized power structure, and has no militant tradition behind it, as does Christianity.

Paganism may be fine for symbolism and beer-hall chats, but militant Islam will run right over it.

I just discovered The Golden One, Swedish pagan nationalist bodybuilder who makes videos on Youtube last night and it got me thinking about Christianity and paganism since he actually made a video about the merits of Christianity which led to some debates in the comments about how much pagans and Christians could have in common when it comes to fighting progressives and leftism.

A problem with a lot of the paganism you see that is reviving in response to events such as unchecked Muslim immigration is that it's practitioners don't actually believe in it. I've seen a good portion of practitioners pretty much admit they don't actually believe in the gods and only see them as archetypes or symbols for certain values. In other words it's just high-level LARPing. It's one step above materialistic atheism since there is some transcendental/metaphysical element but in the end it's something still very human. It's basically a form of humanity's worship of himself. I don't think it's any coincidence that in all forms of paganism and folk religion the gods and goddesses are way more anthropomorphic then what you find in Christianity. They basically are super powered human beings that represent the ideal type of person for whatever ethnic group the god is from. Thor, Odin and represent the ideal Germanic/Nordic man; Zeus and Apollo are representations of what Greek men aspire towards and so on. As I said, these guys are still one step above the modern , athiest, atom-nized man who has nothing to fight or die for (and actually see it as a virtue) since they see that there is value outside of their own selfish individualistic desires (namely in their tribe) but it's still not to the level of what you would find in Christianity.

[Direct or subtle]

This thread has Roosh fighting Satanas in Hollywood :

[debeguiled]

I don't think even Christianity can save us now.

I have conclusive photographic proof that the Pope:




Is actually one of our reptilian overlords:

[Samseau]

The corruption of the Churches has been one of the big reasons for the downfall of Christianity within Europe and many other places.

Many saints and scholars have all said in their visions and communions with angels, Christ, and God Himself, that many of the worst punishments in hell are reserved for those who dress in the garb of the Church yet preach falsehoods and lies about the teachings of Christ. These men turn away huge numbers of people from Christ, and their punishments from God are extremely severe. Dante's Inferno covers this in great detail, but you can find Christian monks talking about it between 200-1000 AD.

People need to have a basic understanding of Christ's teachings themselves when searching for a Church or else they will not find salvation.

[Mother Russia]

Someone' getting an early start:

[Matsufubu]

The Church is poisoned with feminism. Women are women first and Christians second, same with men. Dalrock writes a lot of stuff about this. The Church (ANY church) is toothless and gelded. It'll take a real disaster for people to regain their balls.

[The Lizard of Oz]

(01-26-2016 08:39 AM)Libertas Wrote:  

TJ, do you have some further documentation of all of this?

(01-26-2016 10:21 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

(01-26-2016 06:57 AM)Tokyo Joe Wrote:  

And you know what the sickest part of this whole deal was? This was one of Philip Seymour Hoffman's first big Hollywood films -- he was only 25 years old at the time. Apparently he was shocked and devastated by what was going on, and couldn't cope with it. As an escape from this horror, he started shooting heroin, a habit which caught up with him in 2014. He was a decent man though and never joined in those rape van rides.

Hmmm...I have to say the sickest part for me was the snatching of and doing unspeakable things to young boys.

Libertas and BB, I think that both of you -- two intelligent guys -- should reflect on the fact that you took TJ's f'ing hilarious satire post as reported truth.

TJ tried to construct a narrative so laughably over-the-top that not even the most dreadnought fantasist could take it seriously -- a rape van (!!) driven by an 85 year old Jessica Tandy (!!!) in which the venerable Paul Newman and assorted other Hollywood dudes would "snatch" "young boys" every evening after a shoot and do "unspeakable things" to them. It was supposed to be an obvious send-up -- and by the by, it was supposed to gently remind us about the actual, great beauties of Hollywood at one of its heights, as exemplified in a memorable and infinitely loveable movie like "Nobody's Fool".

And instead, here you have dudes asking for "documentation" and bemoaning the "snatchings"; noting neither the rollicking parody of the "revelation", nor the loving and serious description of the film itself.

Remember when Rolling Stone came out with its ludicrous, absurdly over-the-top story about a "brutal rape at UVa"? Many posters on this forum, including yours truly, called it as an obvious hoax from the moment we saw it. But the majority of readers, including every last SJW on the web, accepted Jackie Coakley's gang rape fantasies as gospel truth.

Now you should realize that the Rolling Stone UVa story is about 10 times more plausible than TJ's deliciously well-done parody. And yet forum dudes took it at face value when this was not even intended. Please think about that.

Because guess what, just as there are no "brutal gang rapes" where seven "frat bros" hold down a terrified slut and "have their way with her" on broken glass, there are no "white rape vans" in which Hollywood dudes drive around and "snatch boys" which the studios later cover up with "hush money". These things are not reality, alright?

As for the other claims made elsewhere in the thread, I'll leave them to the readers' judgment. Always feel free to exercise it.

[Libertas]

Hah. Well, with all of the, to say the least, outlandish claims being made here, it's a bit difficult to know who's being serious and who's not sometimes.

At least compared to the UVA thing which was so over the top compared to everything around it, and to normal campus experience, that you knew it was an obvious hoax from the start (not to mention that it seemed to so nicely and conveniently conformed to the narrative they wanted us all to believe for a while before that).

[Tokyo Joe]

^^^ Lizard! Thy name is SANITY



***


A new Rorschach Test: Innocent movie still, or the evil Tandy and Newman discussing that evening's Hollywood RAPE VAN route?

[Beyond Borders]

(01-26-2016 08:24 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

(01-26-2016 10:21 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

(01-26-2016 06:57 AM)Tokyo Joe Wrote:  

And you know what the sickest part of this whole deal was? This was one of Philip Seymour Hoffman's first big Hollywood films -- he was only 25 years old at the time. Apparently he was shocked and devastated by what was going on, and couldn't cope with it. As an escape from this horror, he started shooting heroin, a habit which caught up with him in 2014. He was a decent man though and never joined in those rape van rides.

Hmmm...I have to say the sickest part for me was the snatching of and doing unspeakable things to young boys.

Libertas and BB, I think that both of you -- two intelligent guys -- should reflect on the fact that you took TJ's f'ing hilarious satire post as reported truth.

Yeah, yeah - you got me.

I admit I missed the sarcasm, for good reason, but I did not take it as reported truth. I figured TJ was buying into a big fish story, but I didn't bother calling him out, other than to give him shit about the "sickest part" thing (I almost threw a smiley in there for emphasis but decided to let it stand alone). Anyways, it is not unusual for me to hold my tongue on this forum, as I only have so much time in the day.

For the sake of further clarity, here's a pm I just sent to another member who asked me about this:

Quote:

Haha I suppose I might as well be honest that I didn't realize he was being sarcastic, though the first thing to cross my mind was it was a bullshit tale he bought into from some clown who likes to tell big fish stories.

Thinking back, the part about Jessica Tandy, and then the bit at the end about John Wayne and friends, should have been a dead giveaway.

It has been about 4 years since I've been in the Western world on just this go, and I've noticed recently that my sarcastic bone is pretty much broken. Big Grin

Note: These days, it's rare that a week goes by without me taking some obvious deadpan sarcasm on this forum seriously.

To further my defense, there are stranger conspiracy theories out there if you dig into that world at all. I believe mention of the "reptile rulers" has even been made in this thread, so is it really so much more farfetched to think a member might buy into this? I did think it was pretty far out of character for TJ.

While I'm at it, I have to hand it to you, Tokyo Joe. That was a pretty hilarious post. I caught the part about "Nobody's Fool" after someone pointed out my error and that definitely gave me a kick-myself-in-the-ass grin on the reread.

[zoom]

Not specifically related to Hollywood, but here is a 2008 interview with a self-proclaimed member of the Ruling Bloodline Family. I'm not sure if the interview is real, but it's an interesting read to say the least.

http://revolutionizingawareness.com/cons...dden-hand/

[TigerMandingo]

delete

[emuelle1]

(01-26-2016 09:41 PM)zoom Wrote:  

Not specifically related to Hollywood, but here is a 2008 interview with a self-proclaimed member of the Ruling Bloodline Family. I'm not sure if the interview is real, but it's an interesting read to say the least.

http://revolutionizingawareness.com/cons...dden-hand/

Interesting read. I finished the first session, and some things he "predicted" have not yet happened, such as a new currency and San Francisco being uninhabitable.

But like that letter from an insider Roosh posted, some of this wouldn't be hard to fake.

[Paracelsus]

(01-27-2016 09:28 AM)emuelle1 Wrote:  

(01-26-2016 09:41 PM)zoom Wrote:  

Not specifically related to Hollywood, but here is a 2008 interview with a self-proclaimed member of the Ruling Bloodline Family. I'm not sure if the interview is real, but it's an interesting read to say the least.

http://revolutionizingawareness.com/cons...dden-hand/

Interesting read. I finished the first session, and some things he "predicted" have not yet happened, such as a new currency and San Francisco being uninhabitable.

But like that letter from an insider Roosh posted, some of this wouldn't be hard to fake.

Well, the most amusing bullshit the guy posted was this bit:

Quote:

There will be dramatic changes to your climate and weather conditions over the next few years, as the time of the Great Harvest approaches. You will see windspeeds surpassing 300 miles per hour at times. There will be raging tsunamis and widespread devastation; and a solar emission in late 2009 early 2010 that will cause major melting of the ice caps, and subsequent drastic rise in sea levels, leaving many (international) metropolitan areas underwater.

Didn't see any solar emission causing major melting of the ice caps or subsequent drastic rise in sea levels. The guy is careful to qualify his other stupid predictions with "if something unforeseen happens" but this one is not given that qualifier and the event did not come to pass. At a guess he was simply extrapolating off Al Gore's climate change hysteria. One of the commenters pins down his bullshit to being very similar to another conspiracy spiel, and they're that credulous they don't even consider that the guy has plagiarised it entirely. The guy was foolish enough to say he was there to impart certain information: if so, he cannot be lying or inaccurate in any way or there is no fucking point to the entire thing. Thomas More's quote works here: truth himself speaks truly, or there's nothing true. a.k.a.: if the newspaper is inaccurate on page three, why do you trust the information on pages 1,2,4-50?

I'm not impressed by either the supposedly educated responses. Nobody asks or he never answers crucial questions such as "can anything exceed the speed of light" or similar. Both the failure to ask and the failure to reply are significant. He starts off the sessions using no contractions (No 'don't', no 'can't', etc) which conveys a certain alienness to the tone because we're used to people abbreviating their words, but by the third session he is using contractions freely. And there are various suggestions of sock puppets being used to ask the guy questions and make it look more credible. And by the end the clown's getting down to The Secret and the Law of Attraction no less. This is all appealing to the one cardinal vice of the late 20th century: people's own narcissism -- note the constant references to not worshipping a god and instead being a "co-creator" of the universe.

[emuelle1]

Paracelus, exactly. It's amazing how people can qualify predictions. I'm not drawing a comparison to this guy, but when I used to listen to Alex Jones, he claimed to have all kinds of supposed insider information. Then, when his prediction didn't happen, it was because "We got the word out and stopped them!" There's no way to prove that. It's circumstantial at best.

A lot of his reporting is pretty good, but his predictions are usually "high and to the right". In July 2010 he issued some code red claiming a war between Israel and (I think) Iran was coming within two weeks. We're still waiting.

[The Beast1]

(01-26-2016 08:53 PM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

Yeah, yeah - you got me.

In your defense BB, he fooled me too.

[DarkTriad]

(01-26-2016 01:24 AM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

^^^

I was just trying to point out that I can't see paganism as an effective counterweight to militant Islam. Paganism is disorganized, lacks any organized power structure, and has no militant tradition behind it, as does Christianity.

Paganism may be fine for symbolism and beer-hall chats, but militant Islam will run right over it.

To fight force, you need greater force.

Latin Christianity does have a very extensive militant tradition, but without the militant people to fill its ranks, nothing will happen.

Just like ISIS recruits people from around the world, maybe the papacy should stop pussy-footing around and organize militant groups to fight ISIS.

.

"Going to Valhalla" if you die in battle isn't a militant tradition? TIL the Vikings had no militant tradition.

[thoughtgypsy]

(01-27-2016 09:58 AM)Paracelsus Wrote:  

I'm not impressed by either the supposedly educated responses. Nobody asks or he never answers crucial questions such as "can anything exceed the speed of light" or similar. Both the failure to ask and the failure to reply are significant. He starts off the sessions using no contractions (No 'don't', no 'can't', etc) which conveys a certain alienness to the tone because we're used to people abbreviating their words, but by the third session he is using contractions freely. And there are various suggestions of sock puppets being used to ask the guy questions and make it look more credible. And by the end the clown's getting down to The Secret and the Law of Attraction no less. This is all appealing to the one cardinal vice of the late 20th century: people's own narcissism -- note the constant references to not worshipping a god and instead being a "co-creator" of the universe.

I agree. I read through all of it and there were a number of glaring inconsistencies that I'm surprised the posters there didn't point out. For one, a woman mentions tall blonde aliens. The poster says "Oh yes, that is the ___, they are compassionate and also part of the galactic council, but a different group than Lucifer." This after spending thousands of words trying to suggest that Lucifer is an entity that encompasses literally everything in the universe. Many of the answers given seem intent on assuaging the ego and sewing doubt.

[Roosh]

(01-26-2016 08:47 PM)Tokyo Joe Wrote:  

^^^ Lizard! Thy name is SANITY



***


A new Rorschach Test: Innocent movie still, or the evil Tandy and Newman discussing that evening's Hollywood RAPE VAN route?

Fuck it, I still believe!!!!