[Suits]

(12-26-2015 04:04 AM)262 Wrote:  

That would be funny if there were online Asian nationalists like there are online white nationalists

What would be even more ironic is if they only really cared about non-Asian guys and Asian girls, and not the other way around.

You've successfully summed up the current state of affairs in Asia. If you read Chinese or Korean, you'd be exposed to attitudes that are essentially a Asian version of white supremacist viewpoints.

And yes, Asian men like the idea of successfully conquering foreign women. There were two very popular movies produced by Chinese film makers.

In the first, a Chinese man goes to New York and finds love with an American women.

In the second, two white women go to Beijing and find love in the arms of Chinese men.

There have never been any movies made by the Chinese about Western men succeeding with Asian women, even though this is 97% of actual Western-Asian relationship.

[brianmark]

(12-26-2015 03:23 AM)dreambig Wrote:  

I used to think that this stuff had no effect, but my opinion has reversed itself lately.

Asian countries are getting harder by the year and a big factor is the shitty foreigners who fuck it up for us. Japan has gone from full-on pussy paradise to challenging even for well-integrated expats - all that within just 10 years or so.

Even this forum plays a somewhat negative role. There are just too many lurkers who contribute nothing but soak up all the value offered. You'd be amazed how many people have read the Philippines and Colombia threads.

If you find an amazing spot, tell other members about it over beers but don't post a datasheet unless you want to see that town ruined in record time. We could really do with a members-only section in my view.

I've seen cities and countries that have changed greatly in one year. All it takes is the economy getting better or influx of tourists. It is not a gradual change as people think. It is much more like an economic crash, like when the economy goes from good to bad in a very short period of time.

David Bond is a desperate guy. I respect him for having the balls to go up to all these girls. Telling them he loves them is not going to get him laid. Just to get some YouTube views, he posts his buddy getting knocked on his ass and himself almost beat up, shows a desperate guy who sees any attention as better than no attention. He's lucky nothing worse happened. Piss off the wrong person in a foreign country and no local will save you.

[El Chinito loco]

(12-26-2015 03:32 AM)dreambig Wrote:  

I will add one more comment to the above:

The more previous contact a local girl has had with westerners, the worse her personality traits tend to be. I've found this to hold true in every country I've been to. Asian expats have little to no effect it seems.

Discuss.

Since i'm around more locals and asian expats most of the time I can tell you the social circles are a bit different in how they operate. Asian social circles just have more regular women who are more self aware of public face and self respect. They will fuck just the same but are a bit more discrete about it and want you to be socially more assimilated or at least vetted first.

A lot of women who ride the western expat/tourist carousel are really into it because there are more hardcore party girls, westernized types, or are deep into the WGF mentally speaking. In a way this attitude also alienates them from local men, their own culture, and cultures similar to their own. I think there's a point of no return where it's either 100% western men or nothing at all.

Asian expats tend to have a culture that's more similar to other asian cultures. So women who date asian expats from other countries are similar enough that if they go back to local men it's not a big thing. It just seems that many girls who ride the western carousel are doing it for specific fetish reasons too where any white cock will suffice. This is not the ideal or most stable girl for relationship purposes for obvious reasons.

[RagnarLothbrok]

(12-26-2015 04:58 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

(12-26-2015 03:32 AM)dreambig Wrote:  

I will add one more comment to the above:

The more previous contact a local girl has had with westerners, the worse her personality traits tend to be. I've found this to hold true in every country I've been to. Asian expats have little to no effect it seems.

Discuss.

In a way this attitude also alienates them from local men, their own culture, and cultures similar to their own. I think there's a point of no return where it's either 100% western men or nothing at all.

The question is: Do the local men not like them because they fuck westerners and they have this attidute you described or do they fuck westerners because they have no chance with high value local men in the first place?

I know a couple of Thai girls who are pretty for western standards and study at the best universities in Bangkok and yet they only fuck westerners because Thai guys that they consider attractive are not into them. Simply because they don't meet the Asian beauty ideal of having white skin (according to those girls I know). So basically they fuck westerners because with them they can date up and with Thai men they would have to date down.

You are right about the point of no return. To me it seems that a Thai girl either fucks foreigners or locals. There are hardly any Thai girls who are fucking both foreigners and Thai men. Some girls never even tried Thai men and some have tried Thai men at one point in their lives but then changed to westerners. In the Philippines it is completely different. Most of the girls there fuck both westerners and Filipinos. It seems like they don't care and just see westerners as some kind of bonus for their sex lives. I guess a reason for that is that there are a lot less westerners in the Philippines than in Thailand.

[El Chinito loco]

(12-26-2015 06:54 AM)Dipar Wrote:  

The question is: Do the local men not like them because they fuck westerners or do they fuck westerners because they have no chance with high value local men in the first place?

It depends on the type.

There are girls who are thoroughly westernized and have studied/lived abroad. They are obviously all western YOLO now and got constantly rode in the west. So they probably no longer find men from their own culture appealing anymore either. Most local men won't even really try when they know she's westernized like this. This could happen to any foreign girl who studies abroad or lives abroad for awhile in the anglosphere or western europe. There's a thread in anything else about this very thing.

Then there's the type of girl you mentioned..one whose local options are kind of limited to begin with and don't have the features or personality that high status alpha men from their own culture like. These girls aren't necessarily slutty but usually have some issues that prevent them from getting with the local men they want or think they deserve. They probably want to find a real foreign boyfriend but end up riding the carousel anyways since a lot of expats/tourists are transient types to begin with.

Here's another thing, a lot of the girls who are deep into the western expat scene get spoiled with all kinds of treatment too. Very few western expats are rvf style guys. There are a lot of extremely beta western expats out there who pedestalize women and throw money around. That's why you hear so many horror stories of western men getting tooled up by their local asian girlfriends. It's all chumps who don't understand the culture or the girls they are banging.

[zatara]

I thought the video was funny. Dude looks like he had a pretty enjoyable year. He possibly should have just shown the video to his mates, but if hes going to try and make some money selling ebooks or similar then I can see why he'd want to promote his exploits.

Haven't watched any of his other stuff mind you.

Its pretty easy to not be lumped in with any stereotype when traveling as long as you can distance yourself from it - this dude is clearly running badly dressed backpacker game, in that video anyway. If you're in a suit (or just well dressed in general) and have a decent reason to be in-country (work related - believable lies or truth) you'll disarm any laowai sex-pest stereotype within about ten seconds of meeting someone.

[RagnarLothbrok]

(12-26-2015 07:12 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

(12-26-2015 06:54 AM)Dipar Wrote:  

The question is: Do the local men not like them because they fuck westerners or do they fuck westerners because they have no chance with high value local men in the first place?

It depends on the type.

There are girls who are thoroughly westernized and have studied/lived abroad. They are obviously all western YOLO now and got constantly rode in the west. So they probably no longer find men from their own culture appealing anymore either. Most local men won't even really try when they know she's westernized like this. This could happen to any foreign girl who studies abroad or lives abroad for awhile in the anglosphere or western europe. There's a thread in anything else about this very thing.

Then there's the type of girl you mentioned..one whose local options are kind of limited to begin with and don't have the features or personality that high status alpha men from their own culture like. These girls aren't necessarily slutty but usually have some issues that prevent them from getting with the local men they want or think they deserve. They probably want to find a real foreign boyfriend but end up riding the carousel anyways since a lot of expats/tourists are transient types to begin with.

Here's another thing, a lot of the girls who are deep into the western expat scene get spoiled with all kinds of treatment too. Very few western expats are rvf style guys. There are a lot of extremely beta western expats out there who pedestalize women and throw money around. That's why you hear so many horror stories of western men getting tooled up by their local asian girlfriends. It's all chumps who don't understand the culture or the girls they are banging.

That is true. From my experience though, the first type of girl is very rare to find in Bangkok. Maybe it is different in other countries like China or Taiwan. Most girls definitely are of the other type you and I mentioned. I always have to laugh when a Thai girl accuses a foreigner of coming to Thailand because he can't get laid in his home country. Thai girls who fuck foreigners are exactly the same. They fuck them because they can't get a decent local man. The difference is that nobody talks about it.

[El Chinito loco]

(12-26-2015 07:35 AM)Dipar Wrote:  

That is true. From my experience though, the first type of girl is very rare to find in Bangkok. Maybe it is different in other countries like China or Taiwan. Most girls definitely are of the other type you and I mentioned. I always have to laugh when a Thai girl accuses a foreigner of coming to Thailand because he can't get laid in his home country. Thai girls who fuck foreigners are exactly the same. They fuck them because they can't get a decent local man. The difference is that nobody talks about it.

It's not so rare to find the first type actually. Bangkok is a pretty small place when it comes to these social circles. It seems like it took me a year to meet a lot of the active westernized thais or thais born abroad types at least once.

Manila isn't all that big either when it comes to westernized filipinas or u.s. born fil-ams and the like. There's significant overlap in those social circles especially when you're talking club scenes.

Quite a few of these girls are YOLO as fuck and I have no idea who some are fucking since they wanted L.A. or NYC treatment so I didn't bother in most cases. I'm not interested in putting in the effort when I can bone their local sister equivalent with the same attractiveness for 1/4th the effort and time.

[elcidcampeador]

The real issue is that Americans and other Westerners come to Asia and DATE DOWN.

[mau man]

(12-25-2015 11:50 PM)atlant Wrote:  

(12-25-2015 11:12 PM)mau man Wrote:  

How, exactly, is this different from what the majority of those on this very board are doing, or at least attempting to do?

I'd like to think that the majority of people here don't get off on the idea of having their exploits put on national TV. Any sane person would be embarrassed by that, while David is actively pushing for it.

As has been pointed out, his story is pretty old. I disagree with the notion that stories like these have "no effect". Yes, the kind of 5s that people like David are fucking will continue to be foreigner-chasing sluts no matter what - because they're not wanted by local guys. But if you take the time to read some of the Facebook comments by locals on these stories revolving around foreigners e.g. on Apple Daily (in Taiwan), you'll find that there's a lot of pent up anger towards foreigners, most of all among local men.

Here's guys confronting him and his friend in Taiwan:

There was also the recent story of a Taiwanese guy harassing a foreigner and his local girlfriend on the subway, who was clearly motivated by envy and sexual frustration. Every now and then foreigners get beaten up in front of clubs here and these kinds of stories play their part in that.

If not for his narcissistic obsession with recording everything he does, then yeah I guess David would just be another dude having fun.

What do you really think is a bigger influence on how Westerners are perceived?

The hundreds of thousands of horny old, white western men that infest places like Pattaya, Phucket, and other seedy places throughout Asia year after year, or a guy like this Bond kid? At least he's not paying for pussy.

Lastly, the very creator of this website has been on television in various countries, openly talking about his sex tourist ways.

My point is that our reputation is already fucked, as white western men, because of our predecessors. To get the 9's and 10's in foreign lands, you generally either pay for play, or you immerse yourself successfully into local social circles. I don't think that goofballs like this Bond kid have much effect on our already tainted reputation. My $.02.

[RagnarLothbrok]

(12-26-2015 07:46 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

(12-26-2015 07:35 AM)Dipar Wrote:  

That is true. From my experience though, the first type of girl is very rare to find in Bangkok. Maybe it is different in other countries like China or Taiwan. Most girls definitely are of the other type you and I mentioned. I always have to laugh when a Thai girl accuses a foreigner of coming to Thailand because he can't get laid in his home country. Thai girls who fuck foreigners are exactly the same. They fuck them because they can't get a decent local man. The difference is that nobody talks about it.

It's not so rare to find the first type actually. Bangkok is a pretty small place when it comes to these social circles. It seems like it took me a year to meet a lot of the active westernized thais or thais born abroad types at least once.

Manila isn't all that big either when it comes to westernized filipinas or u.s. born fil-ams and the like. There's significant overlap in those social circles especially when you're talking club scenes.

Quite a few of these girls are YOLO as fuck and I have no idea who some are fucking since they wanted L.A. or NYC treatment so I didn't bother in most cases. I'm not interested in putting in the effort when I can bone their local sister equivalent with the same attractiveness for 1/4th the effort and time.

Exactly. It took you a year. Most people who come to Thailand don't stay there for a year and hence won't come across many of those westernized girls.

[TravelerKai]

(12-25-2015 11:12 PM)mau man Wrote:  

How, exactly, is this different from what the majority of those on this very board are doing, or at least attempting to do?

Get the fuck outta here with this nonsense! Nobody here does this shit. We primarily write about our game and experiences. The few here that do video record stop at daygame. No one here posts videos of themselves in a shower with girls or any other nonsense like that. Atlant and Chinito were nice to you. I'm calling you out for what you are. Your post reads like a female wrote that.

In this forum we do a good job policing ourselves and never sink to behavior that will harm the forum and our buddies abroad. The implications of people like this David Bond guy go further than just mere embarrassment or harassment in the street in Asia. It could even cause cyber attacks against the forum by ultra nationalist hackers. We already have to use captchas to post. Do you want to use a 2 factor login account with a digit number token via mobilephone or hard token? I hope not! We don't want to be associated with garbage like that, knowing damn well that kind of behavior is deeply frowned upon in those countries/societies.

From looking at those 4 posts he made here, Suits and company did a good job calling him out, but what I cannot figure out is if he is one of those RSD guys or not. Is he an RSD instructor as well? I don't know all of the history with RSD and RVF, but I know it is very controversial and a few members gave me cliff notes before, but what is the current TOS/Rules for those guys now? I recall Roosh a little while ago, saying no more promotions unless he approves first, otherwise it is a ban. What does this mean for those RSD guys and David Bond here? Are RSD guys allowed to push their products here?

[TravelerKai]

(12-25-2015 11:54 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

I remember reading about this when it was making the rounds on the internet before.

Apparently they were or are RSD affiliated guys and were going around Taiwan, Hong Kong, and other parts of asia doing their version of spam approaching day game and filming it. They were trying to get into situations where they could get rage clickbait/notoriety going on the vid sites.

They succeeded in getting some notoriety but it just seems like obvious trolling to me like that one RSD guy Julien who did the same thing except more extreme.

I doubt any of these guys would have the balls to go up to guys/girls in situations where it's obvious they couldn't get away with it.

The one (HK?) dude who they snaked the girl(s) from wasn't even a boyfriend but some lame guy they decided to tool in front of the cameras.

No point in having a talk with guys like this at all. It's better to let the locals police them socially. When they push things too far they usually get jumped or end up dead anyways and they'll end up as a blurb in some local tabloid rag with full color photo spreads as another foreigner who got murked.

Well.... I was gung ho to send him a message until I saw that he is somehow connected with RSD.... Still might do it anyway but there is no guarantee he will see or get it. I have no experience interacting with those types and I worry that because they are a money first group, they will ignore me completely.

I kinda disagree with letting the locals police them. That is how shit gets out of hand. You are Asian (I think?), you could fade into the background easily. The rest of us, not so much.... We need to at least try to talk to others we see doing things wrong to avoid mob violence or worse.

I just realized something just now. France, USA, and a few others gave a strange warning about a violent attack against foreigners in the Sanlitun area, but gave zero details as to why and what for.

http://www.latimes.com/world/asia/la-fg-...story.html

I hope it is not because of something related to this. It could be terrorism related because of xinjiang Muslims too, but that would be kinda strange because the CCP military is holding that entire area under a martial law like state. Last time I checked at least... They do one more big terrorist incident and we may very well see China slaughter a huge number of them with no mercy sparking a humanitarian situation internationally.

[Bill]

(12-26-2015 07:46 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

(12-26-2015 07:35 AM)Dipar Wrote:  

That is true. From my experience though, the first type of girl is very rare to find in Bangkok. Maybe it is different in other countries like China or Taiwan. Most girls definitely are of the other type you and I mentioned. I always have to laugh when a Thai girl accuses a foreigner of coming to Thailand because he can't get laid in his home country. Thai girls who fuck foreigners are exactly the same. They fuck them because they can't get a decent local man. The difference is that nobody talks about it.

It's not so rare to find the first type actually. Bangkok is a pretty small place when it comes to these social circles. It seems like it took me a year to meet a lot of the active westernized thais or thais born abroad types at least once.

Manila isn't all that big either when it comes to westernized filipinas or u.s. born fil-ams and the like. There's significant overlap in those social circles especially when you're talking club scenes.

Quite a few of these girls are YOLO as fuck and I have no idea who some are fucking since they wanted L.A. or NYC treatment so I didn't bother in most cases. I'm not interested in putting in the effort when I can bone their local sister equivalent with the same attractiveness for 1/4th the effort and time.

Just today I talked with an older player about Manilla. He said he does not go to Manilla anymore. It bacame so difficult with the girls. The want to be wined and dined but won´t have have sex.

He thinks the Asian rich guys spoil the girls. Probably it´s a mix of reasons. Smartphone may play a role. Sponsors Online. Girls learning the Gold-digger game.

[CleanSlate]

(12-26-2015 11:46 AM)Bill Wrote:  

Just today I talked with an older player about Manilla. He said he does not go to Manilla anymore. It bacame so difficult with the girls. The want to be wined and dined but won´t have have sex.

Has it really gotten that bad? I'm not buying it. Just look at Roccker's thread. Dude's on a tight budget and he's slaying chicks left and right with maybe an ounce of game and a pound of persistence.

Maybe this older player never got out of the Greenbelt bubble to begin with.

Of course you're not going to roll into Manila and fuck every chick you say hello to. Not even the best player in the world can do that. Me? I got blown out a lot and half of my dates went nowhere. But I still swooped enough with some effort and persistence.

I'm sure it is the same in Thailand, China, Japan, etc... maybe not as easy as the Philippines, but a little effort and giving a shit about their own culture goes a long way. Not taking videos of yourself flailing your arms about with Westernized clown/asshole game.

[DVY]

This thread is so much fail.

There are good and bad girls all over the world.

SEA is a poor region with little shame about mistresses, bargirls, and having multiple girlfriends.

That disclaimer aside, there are tons of normal, hot girls who would love to have a "good-looking westerner BF". I am not talking about 50-60s+ fat white expat men who come to whoremonger. I am talking 20s-40s decent-looking, in-shape guys who are looking for somebody 21-32 yo.

Fisto, Kdog, 20nation, Rionamed, myself and tons of other RVF ppl have talked about how it isnt impossible to hook-up w/an extremely wealthy gorgeous local girl. As for a poor hot girl, that even easier.

This whole thread is one big circle-jerk overgeneralization echo chamber.

Asia is a fairly diverse place and you will find what you are looking for. Whether you get it or not depends on your personal attributes and skills.

[Geomann180]

(12-26-2015 09:10 AM)elcidcampeador Wrote:  

The real issue is that Americans and other Westerners come to Asia and DATE DOWN.

Care to elaborate on this more?

G

[Mentavious]

Guys should stop listening to old dudes talking about how Thailand or whatever Asian countries now suck for pickup.

Those old slobs are all priced out now since 50 pesos can't overcome their big bellies or decrepit looks.

[Laner]

(12-26-2015 07:12 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

Here's another thing, a lot of the girls who are deep into the western expat scene get spoiled with all kinds of treatment too. Very few western expats are rvf style guys. There are a lot of extremely beta western expats out there who pedestalize women and throw money around. That's why you hear so many horror stories of western men getting tooled up by their local asian girlfriends. It's all chumps who don't understand the culture or the girls they are banging.

This is just one of the many layers of relationships in Asia. Of course Asian women are no different than western women in regards to what they respect in a man, the only difference is the ways they go about getting their results.

I am going to say that thirsty Americans are not ruining Asia. But even as I write that, I still think to Japan and how Dreambig mentioned how it went from fairly easy to difficult within the course of a decade. Was it foreigners? Groupthink? Cultural cockblock?

All of the above. When Japanese women were just out for having fun with foreigners, things were good. Japanese women did not have the same hang ups about sex and while they would fall in love with foreigners, it was never until they started getting wifed up by these guys that things started changing. As guys who have gamed in Japan for a long time can attest, we can easily sell these girls a short term dream to get them into bed. But maintaining these illusions for any length of time is impossible for guys with no game or the "charisma man". Then women feel cheated, that what they thought was a guy with high value turns out to be a loser in his own culture.

I think it was the massive amount of bitterly divorced and single moms who became untouchable now because of their propensity to follow stupid fantasy into terrible relationships.

The groupthink and cultural cockblock are more subtle in Japan, while it seems that in China its much more mainstream due to CCTV monopoly. It took longer in Japan but from talking to girls that have studied abroad they all allude to the same things- being told to be careful around foreign men. From light warnings- that western guys lie to get girls for sex, to the more complex- white guys have an Asian fetish.

When it comes back to "are foreign guys ruining Asia?" I will still stick to no. DVY is right, there are just way too many layers in Asia to think that we could ruin a place. Personally I have banged up and down the stratification's of Asian society and I have never personally felt that it would be possible to ruin a continent. Even the married women, these are women that would have or already have, cheated on their husbands. The "good girls" that so many of us are always chasing are still women at the end of day with their own agendas.

In the end this video might have been in bad taste, but the world we live in now is that people put all their lives on line from what they ate for breakfast to a recent ONS in her underwear. To the have not's and those who are still fighting for the old ways this is going to be hard to take and of course its going to piss a lot of people off.

But I know some of these girls live to their own codes, make guys wear condoms or not, let us take videos and pictured of them naked, take it in the ass and will have threesomes with us. Some will do it for pleasure, others will do if for something else.

The world is changing, and at this point in time its western values doing more damage to what we think is the ideal Asia than any amount of poon hunters could possibly do to 2 billion Asian women. I always have to remind myself that the biggest players I know in Asia, are Asian men. These guys plow through more pussy than most of us, and they do it with a more dark triad personality than we do as well. And they are just doing what their fathers, grandfathers and so on have been doing all their lives as well.

Asia is not some land of good girls that is about to be ruined. It just so happens that to western men fleeing western women, they just so happen to run game that meshes perfectly with our ideals of what we think women should be like. Girl game, meet guy game.

[thoughtgypsy]

(12-26-2015 12:48 PM)DVY Wrote:  

This thread is so much fail.

There are good and bad girls all over the world.

SEA is a poor region with little shame about mistresses, bargirls, and having multiple girlfriends.

That disclaimer aside, there are tons of normal, hot girls who would love to have a "good-looking westerner BF". I am not talking about 50-60s+ fat white expat men who come to whoremonger. I am talking 20s-40s decent-looking, in-shape guys who are looking for somebody 21-32 yo.

Fisto, Kdog, 20nation, Rionamed, myself and tons of other RVF ppl have talked about how it isnt impossible to hook-up w/an extremely wealthy gorgeous local girl. As for a poor hot girl, that even easier.

This whole thread is one big circle-jerk overgeneralization echo chamber.

Asia is a fairly diverse place and you will find what you are looking for. Whether you get it or not depends on your personal attributes and skills.

I think you've missed the point entirely. This thread is about western guys fucking up our reputation to the point that we're no longer welcome in foreign countries.

Yes, we come to other places and sleep with their women. But there's a huge difference between doing that honestly and discretely; and coming into a country, spitting on their values, filming it, and throwing it in their faces. It's like being invited into somebody's home then taking a shit in the coat room.

Every woman we take off the market is one less women the local guys can sleep with. Yes, there are many cases where these are the women the locals won't date anyway, but by and large the market is zero sum, and the guys won't like it. As long as we're respectful and discrete, it won't be such a front and center issue. But by broadcasting it, showing zero restraint or even an ounce of respect for their culture, it's an open insult and they won't tolerate it for long. Face is a huge deal in Asia.

The Philippines was getting $4Billion/year+ in essentially free economic activity when Subic and Clark were operating as US bases. Eventually the sailors and airmen got too cocky and out of hand, and the Philippines couldn't take the indignity any longer, so they voted to kick them out (technically only Subic). Many places only tolerate a certain level of obnoxiousness as long as you're happy to spend your money. What happens when western economics continue to decline? All this while Asian nationalism is on the rise. This atrocious behavior will not help.

It takes almost no effort to treat others like decent human beings and show some respect for their culture. If anything, my fascination with Filipino culture has opened doors and made my experiences there much more satisfying. I come to other countries to enjoy the company of beautiful, feminine women, and hopefully, to gain a deeper appreciation of their culture. These people that come into a place with an obnoxious attitude are wreckers, not explorers. They are actively working against me, and thus are my enemy.

[SlickyBoy]

(12-25-2015 09:35 PM)GlobalMan Wrote:  

Even in places that have general bias against Americans all is not lost, it still comes down to you as an individual. I've been to places that look skeptically on white Westerners, and once I break the ice it's not difficult to win them over. How you act, how you look, how you speak, these things will be the major determiner of how you're treated in a given country. The guy in the story is an outlier, it's not difficult for people to determine that not all Americans are like that, once they meet you.

True. Substitute the word "Japanese guy" for "western white guy" and you will see the same dynamic. Most east Asians don't like the Japanese, generally since the Japanese have done a lot of shitty things to them over the centuries. But that doesn't mean they can't stand every Japanese person they meet. Same goes with Westerners. Don't act like the idiot American, the drunk Aussie or the overtly perverted German and you'll probably be ok.

Hell, if nearly have a century of American GIs stationed in Japan and Korea (and occasionally doing some really bad things) hasn't stopped them from opening their legs for white guys, nothing will. They definitely didn't hate all of us.

[SlickyBoy]

(12-26-2015 02:40 PM)Laner Wrote:  

The world is changing, and at this point in time its western values doing more damage to what we think is the ideal Asia than any amount of poon hunters could possibly do to 2 billion Asian women.

Amen.

[mau man]

(12-26-2015 11:13 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(12-25-2015 11:12 PM)mau man Wrote:  

How, exactly, is this different from what the majority of those on this very board are doing, or at least attempting to do?

Get the fuck outta here with this nonsense! Nobody here does this shit. We primarily write about our game and experiences. The few here that do video record stop at daygame. No one here posts videos of themselves in a shower with girls or any other nonsense like that. Atlant and Chinito were nice to you. I'm calling you out for what you are. Your post reads like a female wrote that.

In this forum we do a good job policing ourselves and never sink to behavior that will harm the forum and our buddies abroad. The implications of people like this David Bond guy go further than just mere embarrassment or harassment in the street in Asia. It could even cause cyber attacks against the forum by ultra nationalist hackers. We already have to use captchas to post. Do you want to use a 2 factor login account with a digit number token via mobilephone or hard token? I hope not! We don't want to be associated with garbage like that, knowing damn well that kind of behavior is deeply frowned upon in those countries/societies.

From looking at those 4 posts he made here, Suits and company did a good job calling him out, but what I cannot figure out is if he is one of those RSD guys or not. Is he an RSD instructor as well? I don't know all of the history with RSD and RVF, but I know it is very controversial and a few members gave me cliff notes before, but what is the current TOS/Rules for those guys now? I recall Roosh a little while ago, saying no more promotions unless he approves first, otherwise it is a ban. What does this mean for those RSD guys and David Bond here? Are RSD guys allowed to push their products here?

Listen....call me a troll, call me an RSD guy...whatever.


But don't you ever.....






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ever call me a woman, EVER again.

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The real issue is that Americans and other Westerners come to Asia and DATE DOWN.

Care to elaborate on this more?

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The most obvious explanation for this phenomenon is that most normal guys will take the path of least resistance and date a girl who has a half-decent command of English as opposed to dating a more attractive girl they have to learn to communicate with.

The reality is, at least in a place like Thailand, the level of English is so poor that you have to assume by default that a girl doesn't speak English (or speaks it very poorly) if you happen to be chasing women away from the main malls and clubs.

Of course, there is also a percentage of above-average looking guys in SE Asia who would prefer to pound a bunch of average broads instead of settling down for a period of time with a stunner.

There is also the subset of guys who are dating down because some average looking girl ran game on them, and they're content with what they've got. You know, "scarcity mindset" and all that . . . Or it could be that the girl comes from a rich family, or actually has a cool personality or something like that.

Speaking from personal experience, I would say that it's easy to psyche yourself out of approaching a beautiful broad in Asia because you're intimidated by your ignorance of the culture or social structure (language also plays a part here).

There have been times in the past where a beautiful girl is giving me eyes, but I won't approach because I had convinced myself in that moment that if I were to approach her, I would offend the girl if I didn't hit on her in the "proper" way.

With all of that said, from my view, most mixed couples in Asia seem sort of even from a looks standpoint. I see a lot of weird Americans with weird-looking Thai women. Chubby farangs with chubby Asians. Handsome guys with attractive women. Sure, there's a healthy percentage of obese middle-aged punters walking around with 28 year-old 8s, but more often than not, those 8s have a kid or two up north and no Thai guy wants anything to do with her.

Maybe the most accurate way to describe my feelings when it comes to Western men dating in Asia is that I very rarely see a relationship where I say anything to myself other than, "Those two got what they deserved."

I hope this stuff wasn't too obvious.

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As for the main topic of this thread, I think most of you posters suggesting that the "thirst is strong" are overlooking the historical impact that previous generations of Euros/Americans have had on shaping our present-day reputation. Farangs have been chasing ho's since the 1960s in BKK, some nerdy looking pick-up dude isn't gonna do much to alter how we are perceived by most.

However, I do agree that there the economy and technology are going to transform the dating scene in Asia, as much for Asians dating Asians as it will for us. I've seen this talked about elsewhere here, but nowadays, a twenty-something "8" in BKK can post glamour selfies to her Facebook account all day and have 220 of her closest beta orbiter friends tell her how wonderful is.

On a somewhat related note, I remember visiting this cafe owned by three twenty-something women in Phnom Penh daily. This was sort of a locals-only cafe, but I liked doing work there, and the very fact that I showed up day after day meant that I was able to quickly ingratiate myself with these women (Even though two of 'em didn't speak English.), as well as the other vendors in this mall.

Anyway, these women had a bunch of their friends over one day. All of these friends were attractive women. Instead of talking, though, these women sat around this large table, typing away on their smartphones.

I hadn't been paying attention to all of this, but happened to glance over and see these broads with their noses buried in their phones. I remember thinking in that moment: "Ahh, fuck, these women are gonna go to shit too!"

To me, though, economic development/economic prosperity will have the biggest potential effect on how easy it is to sleep around or find a quality woman in Asia in the coming decades.

As Asia continues to develop, will working class Asian men suddenly change their dating ways? Will they stop taking second wives, visiting teenage prostitutes, or deserting their women without consequence? (I am not making any value judgments here.) Will Asian men start to believe darker skinned Asian women are "beautiful"? If they don't, and I don't think they will, I don't anticipate that the dating scene is going to change much for us.

In other words, how much bullshit are Asian men gonna take? Is the future working class Asian guy going to allow currently undesirable women to convince him that they are "strong", "independent", and "curvy"? Western women have succeeded in doing this in America/Europe/Australia, but I just don't think the same thing will happen in SE Asia.

Also, it used to be that if you ended up in Asia, you wanted to find an Asian woman. There have been plenty of threads on here recently where some of you Asia specialists are clowning on dudes because they want to vacation/move to Asia, but only pursue Euros/Americans!

But, I'm not worried about it. Spend some time learning the language, about the culture, and maintain your routine in the gym. You'll still be able to easily differentiate yourself from the average guy. The stunners will still be out there for you, waiting to admire your chiseled frame, and in awe that you wanted to have a conversation with them about some obscure local custom.

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(12-26-2015 03:04 PM)thoughtgypsy Wrote:  

I think you've missed the point entirely. This thread is about western guys fucking up our reputation to the point that we're no longer welcome in foreign countries.

Call me a troll but i agree with the other guy asking what is the difference between this forum and those guys. They broadcast that for their western audiences. You get into this forum and you find threads with guys talking about how many girls they fucked, how easy it is to fuck them, posting pictures (I know not anymore, but for most of the time. I think any asian guy who would let into a fisto blog for example won't be really happy either.