[N°6]

(12-16-2015 12:32 PM)rikardo_82 Wrote:  

it seems Europe is like day and night in this field compared to America...

I Was more comfortable cold approaching American women before I ever heard of Game than I am approaching aloof and awkward Englishwomen.

[Feldeinsamkeit]

(12-15-2015 10:16 AM)crudeloyalist Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 09:13 AM)thedarkknight Wrote:  

I've lived in England my whole life. Day game is damn near non-existent. The women seem extremely stuck-up, aloof, unfriendly and make very,very little eye contact with men during the day.

The only groups I remember doing some serious daytime approaching were black/mixed race dudes in South London. They would "holla at a buff young ting with mad back-off to see if the gash would send their digits, so mandem and his boiz could draw some head."

Hilarious and highly accurate. Nobody is approaching.

As Roosh has mentioned in his book Day Bang, you'll set yourself apart from literally 98% of guys from approaching girls during the day.

Well, the paradox for me was to fathom why women seem almost paranoid about any contact with men on the street, given how unlikely it is that they will be accosted by a random male stranger, let alone physically assaulted. The conclusion that I've come to is that it's not a fear of men that motivates their aversive behaviour, but more a deep-seated misandry that masquerades as a defensiveness against men.

Put simply, they're fucked off by the constant longing stares of what they perceive to be lower-status males, since their default misandry-cum-hypergamy setting is already set so high. But the effect of this aversive behaviour is to make men in the UK - and the Anglosphere more generally - even more thirsty and desperate, which only re-inforces the desperate mindset of most men there and further pedestalizes women and raises their SMV into the stratosphere as a result. You could call it a perverse incentive loop that functions to the advantage of women and is a phenomenon that I have not once witnessed with foreign women that are fresh-off-the-boat in the UK.

But I've also noticed how as soon as a woman perceives a guy to be of significantly higher SMV than themselves, say if the guy has been on national TV, they can suddenly find that elusive feminine charm that is otherwise invisible to all other men around her, whom she regards with utter disdain.

[Vincent Chase]

I've been living in London for years now and know it all too well. I haven't banged many English girls. The majority I've been with have been every other nationality. They walk down the street looking down and certainly avoid eye contact, they are reserved as fuck. London British girls are far and large fucking terrible for gaming on the day, at night - if they have a couple of drinks - then it can be a different matter as the aloofness shield starts to dissipates as mentioned above.

It's a numbers game just like anywhere else in the world, but the numbers are stacked even more against you. I've been in Paris and New York recently and in both places I've had a few women checking me out very clearly in the street. In London I don't think that's ever happened. Overall the girls here are fucking boring, unadventurous (unlike say New York girls who like to party a lot and live a Sex and the City lifestyle). The local British women are behaving here like they are being judged every second and are in a mad rush out of their supposedly busy schedules. They also stick to their own, even if the local born and bread English guy happens to have a clearly lower SMV than some other guy.

Central London can still be alright if approaching the non local girls, there are just far better places for day gaming and gaming in general.

[cosworth]

My flat mate gets approached around once a month in central London. She barely even stops to remove her head phones now ...

[Mr Mandingo]

(12-17-2015 01:37 PM)Vincent Chase Wrote:  

I've been living in London for years now and know it all too well. I haven't banged many English girls. The majority I've been with have been every other nationality. They walk down the street looking down and certainly avoid eye contact, they are reserved as fuck. London British girls are far and large fucking terrible for gaming on the day, at night - if they have a couple of drinks - then it can be a different matter as the aloofness shield starts to dissipates as mentioned above.

It's a numbers game just like anywhere else in the world, but the numbers are stacked even more against you. I've been in Paris and New York recently and in both places I've had a few women checking me out very clearly in the street. In London I don't think that's ever happened. Overall the girls here are fucking boring, unadventurous (unlike say New York girls who like to party a lot and live a Sex and the City lifestyle). The local British women are behaving here like they are being judged every second and are in a mad rush out of their supposedly busy schedules. They also stick to their own, even if the local born and bread English guy happens to have a clearly lower SMV than some other guy.

Central London can still be alright if approaching the non local girls, there are just far better places for day gaming and gaming in general.

Excellent points raised in all. One point I can relate to quite well is the difference between British and Non British women in Central London. One aspect of day gaming anywhere in the world is the ability to identify targets who will at least be willing to hear what you have to offer. For these women the quality of your open and following frame should buy you enough time to number close, standard stuff.

Now, in my experience day gaming in London, the vast majority of women i open after filtering through my targets happen to be Non Brits. Perhaps this could be happening because British women mostly don't give off the right vibe for guys to engage them.

The last 12 women i have opened in Central London have been,

Slovakian
Slovakian
Polish
British - (Insta dated this one, didn't ask for her number. I offered mine but nothing's come of it, yet)
American
Greek
American
Spanish
German
Czech
Romanian - (didn't ask for her number. I offered mine but nothing's come of it, yet)
German

All but 2 closed nicely.

The quality on the whole is good. No more.

[Prof. Ligate]

(12-18-2015 04:36 AM)Mr Mandingo Wrote:  

(12-17-2015 01:37 PM)Vincent Chase Wrote:  

I've been living in London for years now and know it all too well. I haven't banged many English girls. The majority I've been with have been every other nationality. They walk down the street looking down and certainly avoid eye contact, they are reserved as fuck. London British girls are far and large fucking terrible for gaming on the day, at night - if they have a couple of drinks - then it can be a different matter as the aloofness shield starts to dissipates as mentioned above.

It's a numbers game just like anywhere else in the world, but the numbers are stacked even more against you. I've been in Paris and New York recently and in both places I've had a few women checking me out very clearly in the street. In London I don't think that's ever happened. Overall the girls here are fucking boring, unadventurous (unlike say New York girls who like to party a lot and live a Sex and the City lifestyle). The local British women are behaving here like they are being judged every second and are in a mad rush out of their supposedly busy schedules. They also stick to their own, even if the local born and bread English guy happens to have a clearly lower SMV than some other guy.

Central London can still be alright if approaching the non local girls, there are just far better places for day gaming and gaming in general.

Excellent points raised in all. One point I can relate to quite well is the difference between British and Non British women in Central London. One aspect of day gaming anywhere in the world is the ability to identify targets who will at least be willing to hear what you have to offer. For these women the quality of your open and following frame should buy you enough time to number close, standard stuff.

Now, in my experience day gaming in London, the vast majority of women i open after filtering through my targets happen to be Non Brits. Perhaps this could be happening because British women mostly don't give off the right vibe for guys to engage them.

The last 12 women i have opened in Central London have been,

Slovakian
Slovakian
Polish
British - (Insta dated this one, didn't ask for her number. I offered mine but nothing's come of it, yet)
American
Greek
American
Spanish
German
Czech
Romanian - (didn't ask for her number. I offered mine but nothing's come of it, yet)
German

All but 2 closed nicely.

The quality on the whole is good. No more.

Wait up... you closed 10/12 day game sets? Really? Even if your game was perfect.. around 50% of attractive girls have boyfriends.

What method are you using? Could you please run through a typical set.

[Mr Mandingo]

(12-18-2015 04:57 AM)Prof. Ligate Wrote:  

(12-18-2015 04:36 AM)Mr Mandingo Wrote:  

(12-17-2015 01:37 PM)Vincent Chase Wrote:  

I've been living in London for years now and know it all too well. I haven't banged many English girls. The majority I've been with have been every other nationality. They walk down the street looking down and certainly avoid eye contact, they are reserved as fuck. London British girls are far and large fucking terrible for gaming on the day, at night - if they have a couple of drinks - then it can be a different matter as the aloofness shield starts to dissipates as mentioned above.

It's a numbers game just like anywhere else in the world, but the numbers are stacked even more against you. I've been in Paris and New York recently and in both places I've had a few women checking me out very clearly in the street. In London I don't think that's ever happened. Overall the girls here are fucking boring, unadventurous (unlike say New York girls who like to party a lot and live a Sex and the City lifestyle). The local British women are behaving here like they are being judged every second and are in a mad rush out of their supposedly busy schedules. They also stick to their own, even if the local born and bread English guy happens to have a clearly lower SMV than some other guy.

Central London can still be alright if approaching the non local girls, there are just far better places for day gaming and gaming in general.

Excellent points raised in all. One point I can relate to quite well is the difference between British and Non British women in Central London. One aspect of day gaming anywhere in the world is the ability to identify targets who will at least be willing to hear what you have to offer. For these women the quality of your open and following frame should buy you enough time to number close, standard stuff.

Now, in my experience day gaming in London, the vast majority of women i open after filtering through my targets happen to be Non Brits. Perhaps this could be happening because British women mostly don't give off the right vibe for guys to engage them.

The last 12 women i have opened in Central London have been,

Slovakian
Slovakian
Polish
British - (Insta dated this one, didn't ask for her number. I offered mine but nothing's come of it, yet)
American
Greek
American
Spanish
German
Czech
Romanian - (didn't ask for her number. I offered mine but nothing's come of it, yet)
German

All but 2 closed nicely.

The quality on the whole is good. No more.

Wait up... you closed 10/12 day game sets? Really? Even if your game was perfect.. around 50% of attractive girls have boyfriends.

What method are you using? Could you please run through a typical set.

I only ask for numbers if I know for certain they will give it. If I am in any doubt I offer them mine and leave it there. Don't get me wrong there are times when it gets rather tough. At times like that maybe I get about 1 in 5.

I screen using eye contact, if eye contact persists at a certain level then game on. One example was a woman I opened on the tube at 7.30am! Got eye contact in the packed rush hour commute , she even smiled! So got off at the same stop, I waited at by the door for her to get out (in the mad crowd!) when she saw me it was obvious why i was stood there. I simply smiled and said 'I felt your smile in my belly, just had to know who you were' ......5 days later it was a +1

That particular experience made me realise it could be I have been underestimating my powers. lol and it feels like many guys here are too!

[WarMachine]

^^That's gold. Tube / public transport game is difficult because it can be quite a hostile environment, but that's when you get the chicks looking at you and that's where you'll see the signs. I haven't run daygame in a while, good to hear of the results.

To all those unfamiliar with London, commuting hours you'll see plenty of quality females, especially on the tube.

[serpico]

DayGame without screening for IOI's is dumb, in my view. Or at the very least, inefficient. I always check out a girl before approaching, if she flirts back then it's a green light. She knows that she flirted, which really is an invitation and you acted on it. I think this is a far more attractive frame from a girls POV than an unseen guy just chancing his arm out of leftfield. i also think the latter flicks more of a 'flight' response from the girl, no matter how tight your game is.

[Feldeinsamkeit]

(12-18-2015 02:12 PM)serpico Wrote:  

DayGame without screening for IOI's is dumb, in my view. Or at the very least, inefficient. I always check out a girl before approaching, if she flirts back then it's a green light. She knows that she flirted, which really is an invitation and you acted on it. I think this is a far more attractive frame from a girls POV than an unseen guy just chancing his arm out of leftfield. i also think the latter flicks more of a 'flight' response from the girl, no matter how tight your game is.

Bingo. The problem I've been having with daygame over the last 10 days or so is that I'm continually encountering women who claim to be either married or have a boyfriend and it seems that practically every slim and even slim-ish woman here on Teesside is taken.

Having said that, I was sitting on a bench in town on Wednesday and spotted an attractive blonde who I noticed turned around to get a better look at me, so I took that as an indication that she was single. I followed her into a bookshop and moved up beside her. Her response was to turn towards me and so I opened her and she was very receptive. After some chitchat I ask if she would like to meet up for coffee and she responds that, although she's single and would like to, her three children are too much of a handful at the moment but says that she was really flattered that I approached her.

Long story short - I believe your point about randomly - i.e. without an IOI - approaching women in shops, on the street, et.c. is a good one, in that it is an extremely inefficient way to find a woman, especially given how difficult it already is to find a half decent-looking woman in many parts of the UK who isn't already in a relationship.

My problem, however, is that by the time I've noticed a woman give an IOI on the street she has already passed me and has long since disappeared. What method would you recommend to act on this IOI? Follow them quickly into whatever shop they're going into and then open them? Or rush after on the street and then open them on the spot?

[serpico]

You've just got to sharpen up your receptivity to them. If you see a good looking girl 20 paces away go for eye contact, if she reciprocates in textbook flirtatious manner, then go for it. It's a pretty subtle thing really, but clear enough. You don't have to wait for her to be twirling her hair, slipping her shoe off her foot and eating a banana!

[Feldeinsamkeit]

(12-18-2015 06:06 PM)serpico Wrote:  

You've just got to sharpen up your receptivity to them. If you see a good looking girl 20 paces away go for eye contact, if she reciprocates in textbook flirtatious manner, then go for it. It's a pretty subtle thing really, but clear enough. You don't have to wait for her to be twirling her hair, slipping her shoe off her foot and eating a banana!

But when you get such IOIs, do you then rush back after them? This is my main problem at the moment - how to respond quickly in such a situation. I think my worry is that turning around and rushing up to them is going to scare them off, but maybe I'm just overanalysing things.

[serpico]

Ideally, yes. Can't say i'm at the stage where i dive in off each IOI yet, but ultimately viewing them as a 'come and get me' helps. It's the women's way of soliciting an opening. Just go for it, same as ever the longer you wait, the less likely you'll be to do it. Apply the 3 second rule, if you wanna go old school.

[Kieran]

Not that prevalent at all. The majority of people are meeting girls through the workplace or social circle. Night game isn't even all that prevalent in better venues, although in the meat market type places everyone is trying their luck.

[Feldeinsamkeit]

(12-19-2015 03:47 AM)Kieran Wrote:  

Not that prevalent at all. The majority of people are meeting girls through the workplace or social circle. Night game isn't even all that prevalent in better venues, although in the meat market type places everyone is trying their luck.

This is very much my impression, too. In fact, the frustration of going to meet up groups in my area only to find the very few attractive women who do turn up are already taken was the main factor in my decision to focus my efforts on daygame. Interestingly, I remember a couple of guys I met at these groups complaining about how difficult it was to meet women in the UK, since women always seem to have already met their signficant other at either work or in their own social circles. Incidentally, the women who were single there were normally 45+ postwall hags who carried enough baggage to fill an Airbus.

[serpico]

If you're single and without kids, and not tied down to a career / mortgage, then really i have no idea why you'd want to stay in UK. I've been away for 5 years and havent looked back. Even from a non-game outlook, it's just not a very good package - costs, weather, vibe, women... If you're up north then even more so (no offence, but middlesboro has to be one of the least appealing towns in the country).

[cosworth]

Your problem , might just be Teeside .
The north east dating culture is all the hot girls get taken early i.e. at school !! . Then when they become single they have a million other guys lined up waiting .
Your results would be much different in say London or even Manchester.

Hows your internet game ? How old are you ? Do you have a car , good job ?

[Robert Plant]

I am very slowly doing 100 day game approaches here in California. My 5th approach was with an English girl (not from London). I got her to bounce for a drink. Met up with her again the next day and easily got her over to my place. She stayed with me for the next week, we had the best sex of our lives and she ended up flying back a week ago for another week with me. She claims she had never been approached like that before. So in my experience, English girls are very receptive to day game.

[rikardo_82]

(12-18-2015 02:12 PM)serpico Wrote:  

DayGame without screening for IOI's is dumb, in my view. Or at the very least, inefficient. I always check out a girl before approaching, if she flirts back then it's a green light. She knows that she flirted, which really is an invitation and you acted on it. I think this is a far more attractive frame from a girls POV than an unseen guy just chancing his arm out of leftfield. i also think the latter flicks more of a 'flight' response from the girl, no matter how tight your game is.

that is whole problem for me in all my life I never seen even from 1 girl any IOI ...

[serpico]

Think its more that any girl is waaaay more receptive to an approach when on holiday.

[Adrenaline]

^ Initially I thought that to, and I think it's true if you're lucky enough to be in the first couple of approaches a particular girl recieves, but after a while of being aggressively approached (as most guys do on holiday) girls will put their guard up and/or realise their increasing value and it will become even harder in holiday environments than on regular day to day duties.

[Druber]

(12-18-2015 02:12 PM)serpico Wrote:  

DayGame without screening for IOI's is dumb, in my view. Or at the very least, inefficient. I always check out a girl before approaching, if she flirts back then it's a green light. She knows that she flirted, which really is an invitation and you acted on it. I think this is a far more attractive frame from a girls POV than an unseen guy just chancing his arm out of leftfield. i also think the latter flicks more of a 'flight' response from the girl, no matter how tight your game is.

Assuming you get IOIs. I don't, but have to keep trying though. Not all women display interest, so there's only one way to find out if she's interested.

[Robert Plant]

I just got an $800 voucher to re route through London on my way to Madrid. I'll be in Heathrow for 4 hours so will have to try some day game in the airport assuming I'm not to tired to move.

[Stimulus]

(12-18-2015 02:22 PM)Feldeinsamkeit Wrote:  

(12-18-2015 02:12 PM)serpico Wrote:  

DayGame without screening for IOI's is dumb, in my view. Or at the very least, inefficient. I always check out a girl before approaching, if she flirts back then it's a green light. She knows that she flirted, which really is an invitation and you acted on it. I think this is a far more attractive frame from a girls POV than an unseen guy just chancing his arm out of leftfield. i also think the latter flicks more of a 'flight' response from the girl, no matter how tight your game is.

Bingo. The problem I've been having with daygame over the last 10 days or so is that I'm continually encountering women who claim to be either married or have a boyfriend and it seems that practically every slim and even slim-ish woman here on Teesside is taken.

Long story short - I believe your point about randomly - i.e. without an IOI - approaching women in shops, on the street, et.c. is a good one, in that it is an extremely inefficient way to find a woman, especially given how difficult it already is to find a half decent-looking woman in many parts of the UK who isn't already in a relationship.

This it to both you and serpico..

So, you're actually saying you aren't really willing to take every chance approaching some hot chick because she didn't give you any indication she might be attracted to you. Why on earth don't you try and get what YOU want? Isn't that the whole purpose of 'Game', be the man you want to be and get what you want to have by BUILDING attraction?

Reading RVF you should know that unless you're some supermodel, girls need your help to make them see you are what they want, what they need. Because you are not just some random guy, you are awesome, great fun, masculine, confident and you know (and get) what you want. She's dying to be a part of that great life you are living but first she's got to know you are THAT guy.

Compare this with you seeing some really hot girl and in your head you're already banging her brains out. But as soon as you two really meet you find out she's some batshit crazy bitch with a man-voice and by just talking to her you know shit will hit the fan when you guys hook up. You'll think twice no matter how hot she is..

Check out the video in this post, makes a lot of sense.

Please, do correct me if I'm wrong but honestly most of it sounds like excuses for not approaching/having to approach.

I suggest re-reading some of the first comments in your other thread and especially the ones Cobra and robreke made.

[esalen1]

(12-18-2015 02:12 PM)serpico Wrote:  

DayGame without screening for IOI's is dumb, in my view. Or at the very least, inefficient. I always check out a girl before approaching, if she flirts back then it's a green light. She knows that she flirted, which really is an invitation and you acted on it. I think this is a far more attractive frame from a girls POV than an unseen guy just chancing his arm out of leftfield. i also think the latter flicks more of a 'flight' response from the girl, no matter how tight your game is.

A good thing about approaching without waiting for the ioi is that it helps to be ready when you do actually get an ioi. That's what I find.