[Leonard D Neubache]

Now this is a beautiful picture.



I'm so used to seeing clean, tidy guns that I often take their function under duress for granted. "Glocks work great, but they're ugly" etc.

Rare pictures like this remind us that when you need a gun, and I mean really need it, you can't guarantee it's going to be deployed in a dirt free environment, nor will you be carrying it in a ziplock bag.

[Ranch Hand]

(03-17-2017 06:49 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

Now this is a beautiful picture.
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I'm so used to seeing clean, tidy guns that I often take their function under duress for granted. "Glocks work great, but they're ugly" etc.

Rare pictures like this remind us that when you need a gun, and I mean really need it, you can't guarantee it's going to be deployed in a dirt free environment, nor will you be carrying it in a ziplock bag.

The only name-brand weapon I have used that delivered what I consider to be a serious misfire/malfunction was an over-priced, overworked "custom" .45 ACP subcompact that emptied a magazine on one squeeze when perfectly clean. To that manufacturer's credit, they immediately fixed the problem without cost to me. Still - my thought was: what happens when this thing is dusty/muddy?

On the other hand, I am pretty high on Glocks. Not concerned what anyone says about "plastic" weapons - they are accurate, stable, and pretty forgiving.

[Leonard D Neubache]

First shot I ever took with a Glock landed dead centre at 15 yards. And I mean "someone get me a microscope" dead centre.

That's God's way of saying "buy this gun".

[MOVSM]

(03-16-2017 08:13 PM)LeeEnfield303 Wrote:  

(02-28-2017 09:23 AM)MOVSM Wrote:  

Hollow points in warfare will get you sent to Ft. Leavenworth in a hurry.

As I recall, the Geneva Convention specifies only FMJ for military small arms ammo. Of course, this did not prevent the Germans from using dum-dums in WWI.

I think it prevents expanding bullets (which dum-dums aren't), because in U.S. service open tip match that Sierra is famous for are perfectly legal.

[MOVSM]

(03-18-2017 08:25 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

First shot I ever took with a Glock landed dead centre at 15 yards. And I mean "someone get me a microscope" dead centre.

That's God's way of saying "buy this gun".

How big was the group though?

If you think Glocks are accurate, you should shoot something with a fixed barrel. Makarovs are surprisingly accurate.
I had a CZ-52, and I once shot it at 150 yards at an 18 inch gong. Out of a magazine of 8, I connected 6 times.

[Leonard D Neubache]

(03-20-2017 07:36 AM)MOVSM Wrote:  

(03-18-2017 08:25 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

First shot I ever took with a Glock landed dead centre at 15 yards. And I mean "someone get me a microscope" dead centre.

That's God's way of saying "buy this gun".

How big was the group though?

If you think Glocks are accurate, you should shoot something with a fixed barrel. Makarovs are surprisingly accurate.
I had a CZ-52, and I once shot it at 150 yards at an 18 inch gong. Out of a magazine of 8, I connected 6 times.

The groups were quite adequate. And along with the gun going "bang" every time I expect it to (and never when I don't) that's all I want.

Frankly I don't see the point in shaving off a mil at 25 yards if it means compromising on that other stuff. Or to put it another way, a lot of guys attend our local range to try and get the tightest group they can on a piece of paper over whatever time it takes to do that.

I try to make a hinged metal plate move as violently as possible in the shortest time possible.

Rifle distances are rifle distances and pistol distances are pistol distances. I can't see any likelihood IRL that I would ever regret not being able to make a 150 yard shot with a 9mm because I bought a Glock instead of a CZ.

[tomzestatlu]

So, gun owners in EU have 15 months to arm themself. Until now I owned only revolver in .38 special, but there´s no time to wait anymore, so next is going to be M70B1 (Yugoslavic copy of AK 47) in 7,62. Then I want to get famous Czech-made SA vz 58, also in 7,62.

[MOVSM]

(03-27-2017 10:26 AM)tomzestatlu Wrote:  

So, gun owners in EU have 15 months to arm themself. Until now I owned only revolver in .38 special, but there´s no time to wait anymore, so next is going to be M70B1 (Yugoslavic copy of AK 47) in 7,62. Then I want to get famous Czech-made SA vz 58, also in 7,62.

Where in EU do you live, that you are permitted AKs and equivalent?

Personally, I would get something semiautomatic in 7.62x51 NATO. AR-10 isn't bad, FN SCAR 17 is very nice. If you want old-school--G3, FN FAL, m14, Sig 510.

[tomzestatlu]

(03-28-2017 09:58 PM)MOVSM Wrote:  

(03-27-2017 10:26 AM)tomzestatlu Wrote:  

So, gun owners in EU have 15 months to arm themself. Until now I owned only revolver in .38 special, but there´s no time to wait anymore, so next is going to be M70B1 (Yugoslavic copy of AK 47) in 7,62. Then I want to get famous Czech-made SA vz 58, also in 7,62.

Where in EU do you live, that you are permitted AKs and equivalent?

Personally, I would get something semiautomatic in 7.62x51 NATO. AR-10 isn't bad, FN SCAR 17 is very nice. If you want old-school--G3, FN FAL, m14, Sig 510.

Czech Republic. Of course you can´t own automatic rifle (actually you can, but only with exception). So all assault rifles are being converted to semi-automatic.

There are two reasons why I choose these two guns. First is price, I don´t a lot to spend and these are really cheap. Second is that I have passion for eastern arms. AK is just classic and reliable and SA vz 58 is heart thing and according to many people including me the best rifle ever made.

[ms224]

(02-16-2017 09:25 PM)ShotgunUppercuts Wrote:  

Does anyone own a beretta 92/96?

(03-29-2017 11:06 AM)tomzestatlu Wrote:  

(03-28-2017 09:58 PM)MOVSM Wrote:  

(03-27-2017 10:26 AM)tomzestatlu Wrote:  

So, gun owners in EU have 15 months to arm themself. Until now I owned only revolver in .38 special, but there´s no time to wait anymore, so next is going to be M70B1 (Yugoslavic copy of AK 47) in 7,62. Then I want to get famous Czech-made SA vz 58, also in 7,62.

Where in EU do you live, that you are permitted AKs and equivalent?

Personally, I would get something semiautomatic in 7.62x51 NATO. AR-10 isn't bad, FN SCAR 17 is very nice. If you want old-school--G3, FN FAL, m14, Sig 510.

Czech Republic. Of course you can´t own automatic rifle (actually you can, but only with exception). So all assault rifles are being converted to semi-automatic.

There are two reasons why I choose these two guns. First is price, I don´t a lot to spend and these are really cheap. Second is that I have passion for eastern arms. AK is just classic and reliable and SA vz 58 is heart thing and according to many people including me the best rifle ever made.

Can you get any American guns?

A garand would be really cool. How about a Famas?

Does taking girls shooting on a date work there?

[tomzestatlu]

(03-29-2017 11:35 AM)ms224 Wrote:  

(02-16-2017 09:25 PM)ShotgunUppercuts Wrote:  

Does anyone own a beretta 92/96?

(03-29-2017 11:06 AM)tomzestatlu Wrote:  

(03-28-2017 09:58 PM)MOVSM Wrote:  

(03-27-2017 10:26 AM)tomzestatlu Wrote:  

So, gun owners in EU have 15 months to arm themself. Until now I owned only revolver in .38 special, but there´s no time to wait anymore, so next is going to be M70B1 (Yugoslavic copy of AK 47) in 7,62. Then I want to get famous Czech-made SA vz 58, also in 7,62.

Where in EU do you live, that you are permitted AKs and equivalent?

Personally, I would get something semiautomatic in 7.62x51 NATO. AR-10 isn't bad, FN SCAR 17 is very nice. If you want old-school--G3, FN FAL, m14, Sig 510.

Czech Republic. Of course you can´t own automatic rifle (actually you can, but only with exception). So all assault rifles are being converted to semi-automatic.

There are two reasons why I choose these two guns. First is price, I don´t a lot to spend and these are really cheap. Second is that I have passion for eastern arms. AK is just classic and reliable and SA vz 58 is heart thing and according to many people including me the best rifle ever made.

Can you get any American guns?

A garand would be really cool. How about a Famas?

Does taking girls shooting on a date work there?

I am not sure, but there´s probably a way. My friend recently bought M4.

There are many nice rifles out there, but the most of them are financially difficult here. The cost of M70B1 I am going to buy is 250$. Most of the western rifles are at least 5 times more espensive.

Shooting date is probably the best date possible. I took only two girls to range, because ammo is expensive and they must "earn it". But I can´t imagine more interesting thing for girl than shooting real gun for the first time in their lifes with that "dangerous armed guy". Going to shooting range is becoming very popular and it seems to be good bussiness for shooting range owners.

[ms224]

$250 for an AK variant is very good. They have gone up significantly in price. Maybe $600 and up, a Bulgarian Arsenal Kvar is in the thousand plus range.

M4/ar15 variants have come down to the $500-600 range for entry level guns.

Any cool old guns you can buy, a Maxim gun would be awesome (but I'm guessing not realistic, also the pallets of ammo you need to feed it....)

[sterling_archer]

I read somewhere that actual price of AK47, meaning how much it costs for a factory to produce it is somewhere around 10$. I don't know if that's true for a factory, but I know that in some parts of the world you can get it for that price. But of course these are black markets of Afghanistan and such.

[not_dead_yet]

Can anyone recommend a good gun cleaning kit? I ran a Google search against the forum and didn't find anything.

9 mm M&P Shield if it matters.

[realologist]

(06-30-2017 03:34 PM)not_dead_yet Wrote:  

Can anyone recommend a good gun cleaning kit? I ran a Google search against the forum and didn't find anything.

9 mm M&P Shield if it matters.

The kit doesn't matter too much just make sure not to get a cheap junk one. The cleaning solution and oil for your gun and barrel are more important. I like Hoppes.

[MOVSM]

Go to:

https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/
http://www.brownells.com/
https://www.midwayusa.com/
https://www.creedmoorsports.com/

Pick up what suits your needs.

For older guns I like to use Ballistol. For AR-15, glock, etc. I like Gunzilla.