[weambulance]

Glocks run like $550 or so normally these days, and that includes a 10% federal excise tax in the price. Because it's awesome having a dollar taxed about six different times before it's fully spent.

If a Glock costs $1000+ it's probably a combination of ass rape-level taxes and onerous importation laws and fees that make things a real pain in the ass for the distributors.

[Leonard D Neubache]

(02-15-2017 12:32 AM)Hoser Wrote:  

^^^ Somebody's gotten into the sauce.

Glocks are good because they're good. Learn to shoot well with them, and leave it at that.

FWIW, I sold my $1000 SIG, which I adored, because I put rounds on target better with my $450 Glock.

Don't let fanboys dictate what your lifesaver should look like.

I doubt there are any handguns on the market which are optimal as-sold, mostly due to lawyer-proof triggers if nothing else.

Factory sights on Glocks for example are not exactly optimal.

[sterling_archer]

Some examples:

Colt 1911 - 2500$
Glock 19 - 800$
Glock 21 - 950$
Desert Eagle .44 - 2700$

Ok, I overestimated. Glocks are not 1000$ but still expensive.

[J. Spice]

(02-15-2017 09:16 AM)sterling_archer Wrote:  

Some examples:

Colt 1911 - 2500$
Glock 19 - 800$
Glock 21 - 950$
Desert Eagle .44 - 2700$

Ok, I overestimated. Glocks are not 1000$ but still expensive.

Can you still get HS2000's? I'd be interested in knowing if the markup is a tariff or due to other measures. I know when they first came to the States, the HS was going for under $300.

[sterling_archer]

HS, or in US a XD is same price as Glock, so around 750 to 800$. Actually this will be one of my choices when I am going to buy my first gun this summer.

[jamaicabound]

(02-15-2017 02:58 PM)sterling_archer Wrote:  

HS, or in US a XD is same price as Glock, so around 750 to 800$. Actually this will be one of my choices when I am going to buy my first gun this summer.

Most gun shops with a range have guns for rental. Definately try some stuff out before you buy. Personally I'm not a fan of striker fired guns, I prefer hammer fired. Most people tend to prefer one over the other.

[ms224]

Prices sound about 1.75 more than US. Even on the HS.

How hard is it to get a pistol in Croatia?
Is it common?
Can you use it as a date idea?

I want to get something cool and old.
I'd love a Mauser C96. While it may seem odd to someone used to shooting new guns,
they point rather well, they are very thin, shoot a fairly potent round and Winston Churchill had one.

[sterling_archer]

Walther P38 and Luger are also cool. Old but gold.

If you got permit and deep wallet, getting handgun is nothing special. But as Croatia has much lower living standard than USA, getting guns is at last place of what average male wants.

[ShotgunUppercuts]

Does anyone own a beretta 92/96?

[weambulance]

I've used them (M9 / 92) quite a bit, but I don't own one. Good gun. The 96, not so much.

Any particular reason you're asking?

[wi30]

Any suggestions on which type of holster I should get? I'm left handed so I don't know if that will limit my options or not.

This one interested me and the locking system seems convenient.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/814781/...ve-polymer

I don't have a concealed carry yet so I'm looking for something with open carry. Colorado is an open carry state with the exception of Denver city and county limits. The only time I plan on carrying is hiking or doing outdoor activities in the mountains. Fuck mountain lions.

[weambulance]

^

I have a very similar holster with a different retention system that I really like. http://www.midwayusa.com/product/1338665...site-black

Strongly recommended. It's very well built and the retention system is effective, while being easy and very fast to operate. I have been using the holster a lot the last year or so around my cabin. The holster should be available in left handed versions for pretty much all duty pistols.

The GLS locking system holster you linked seems okay I guess but looks like it could be a problem when you're wearing gloves. I haven't tried it, maybe that isn't an issue. But the ALS system on the holster I linked has given me no trouble at all in that respect.

[wi30]

Thanks man, I take your word for it and go with the one you linked.

I'm sure I'll have a thousand other questions over the next few weeks.

[ms224]

Quote:

Posted by ShotgunUppercuts - Today 10:25 PM
Does anyone own a beretta 92/96?

They are large but shoot very nice. Most of the problems you hear are either urban myths related to military guns which had like 100k rounds of super hot ammo or BS.

If you buy a used gun, and not sure of the round count, replace the locking block. Its not very expensive.

Some pre 92FS models coming in as police guns via surplus that are like $300.

WI30,

this might help

http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/holst...ster-list/

perhaps something like a military holster would work, where it has a flap for better protection and retention?

https://www.amazon.com/M-12-US-MIlitary-...B000621T20

[ShotgunUppercuts]

I've had my eye on a 92 for 2 years now . Picked up one last year and it felt good in my hand. I'll have to shoot it also to really see how it is. I just learned about the 96 ,I had no idea they came in .40 so I was considering that as week in a stainless steel finish.

I wouldn't mind buying new for piece of mind .

[ms224]

40 vs 9mm is like the ford/chevy debates. About the same thing nowadays.

An inox 92 is a thing of beauty. I don't think you will regret it.

The surplus guns are older 92S with a different safety and mag release.

Plus, in addition to the US military, they also sold about a billion of them as police and military guns (France is a big user I believe?)
so they can't be all bad.

[weambulance]

The 92 is a really pleasant gun to shoot if it fits your hands. It's just quite big and heavy for what it is, compared to modern pistols. If you're not trying to conceal it under a t-shirt, that's not a big deal. The newer 92 versions are pretty slick.

The 96, though, beats itself to death in relatively short order. The very snappy 40 S&W recoil impulse is hard on the aluminum frame. ~10,000 rounds is about as long as a 96 frame lasts, from what I recall. Perhaps Beretta has addressed the problem in recent years with the 96A1, I'm not sure, but if all they did was add a recoil buffer I really doubt that solved the problem.

Most people will never shoot even half of what a 96 can take, to be fair. But I used to shoot about 18,000 rounds per year and I'll be doing that again soon enough, so I stick with guns that are built to last. I'm not going to buy a new gun every six months out of necessity.

I recommend staying away from the 40 S&W in general. You get no tangible benefit over 9mm; instead you get the most irritating recoil impulse of any of the common semiauto cartridges, including 10mm Auto. Less capacity, more expensive ammo. 40 S&W is a solution looking for a problem, and it's to be used solely for USPSA competition as far as I'm concerned.

[ShotgunUppercuts]

Does a compensator significantly changes how well these guns handle recoil?

[weambulance]

Compensators are great for reducing your felt recoil, in that they tame the muzzle flip and some of the recoil impulse of the whole gun that you would feel on your hand. But I can't see how it would help the life of the gun because battering still happens even if the muzzle isn't flipping much. A comp might actually make a 96 die marginally faster.

I may not have been clear, though, that the 92 doesn't have a service life problem. It's just the 96. The 92 is more like a 30,000-40,000 round gun with proper maintenance. Not as good as a Glock or HK, but acceptable.

[ms224]

Compensator on a 22 is rather nice, not sure about any larger guns.

Get the 92, with the new +p ammo, there is no real advantage to the 40. Not sure if there ever really was?

Actually, get a 92 inox with some nills grips
I think you will be happy, I would be.

[ShotgunUppercuts]

Damn that's a nice one . Thank you both for the information you provided.

[J. Spice]

(02-16-2017 09:38 PM)wi30 Wrote:  

Any suggestions on which type of holster I should get? I'm left handed so I don't know if that will limit my options or not.

This one interested me and the locking system seems convenient.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/814781/...ve-polymer

I don't have a concealed carry yet so I'm looking for something with open carry. Colorado is an open carry state with the exception of Denver city and county limits. The only time I plan on carrying is hiking or doing outdoor activities in the mountains. Fuck mountain lions.

Natchez is selling off all their old stock of Eagle and G-Code holsters. Most of what's left is left hand and obscure models. Most of them are going for 6-9 bucks.

[Hoser]

weambulance, curious take on 9 vs 40. In my experience, the 9, which uses a faster burning powder, snaps harder than the 40. Less power, yes, but delivered in a shorter time. If 40s truly do wear quicker, I wonder if it's due to having less steel thickness in the chamber/barrel. Thoughts?

Also, the 40 is a feminist round. I shit you not. The FBI wanted to go with the exceptionally good 10mm, but the female agents couldn't get their small hands around the pistol grip. S&W shortened the 10mm casing and stamped their name on it.

It's my understanding that the FBI still does use the 10mm in their MP5s, but this knowledge may be obsolete.

If the rounds were widely available, I'd carry a 10mm in a heartbeat.

[Leonard D Neubache]

Just about all federal teams are moving (or have moved to) .223 carbines.

10mm sub guns (and all sub guns for that matter) are a pointless compromise and a dying fallacy of 80's gun culture.

[Hoser]

Neubache: good point. M4s are all the rage these days.