[ball dont lie]

Question above is something I've been dealing with recently. I have a couple of plates that want commitment but are laughable as humans and I would never consider them for LTR and certainly not marriage. That said, they are amazing in the sack (some of the best lays of my life, again and again), nice to be around and being very late 20's, early 30's respectively they have a bit of maturity that I don't often get in the PRC with younger girls (also a lot of young girls here are terrible in bed).

Both girls are very similar:

1 - I have been out with them to some big clubs / bars in town and they know the regulars, many come up and try to out dominance me, obviously a hit and quit it for many guys before.

2 - They are both looking for someone to "save" them and are trying every trick in the book to honeypot me. (So far I have not minded this, its been great)

3 - They are always asking me about if I'm with other girls, act jealous. Seems to me a case of projection since I have no doubt they are seeing other dudes on the side trying for the same deal(which Im OK with since I cant see two girls every night, I don't have the time for that). One of them "had a boyfriend" and came home with me.


So how far to string along obvious wall threatened party girls that are hoping Im going to save them from their years of being hit and quit? There are no moral qualms here that I can see. Both have completely removed themselves from getting any respectable guy in this country (China) since they have obvious slut tells from across the room, even when measured against western party girls.

I'm making sure to wrap it up and being careful with the condoms(STDs, Oops pregnancies) and also being vague but talking about the future with them in a way that makes them think I might consider being with them long term.

Two things strike me as bad about this:

1 - I still must not be the kind of man I want to be if older party girls see me as a life preserver after years of being banged by good looking dudes. I went out with one girl to a popular club and there was a guy much better looking than me / more dominant personality that clearly has hit and quit her. So I must be a step down and safer. Or at least she sees me as a good guy that she can control to marry her. That's not a good sign, but its eye opening that I'm not doing a good enough job with myself. More work is needed. I'm ready for the challenge.

2 - Am I losing my game skills doing this and putting myself further away from the abundance mentality that I would like to have. I like the low fruit. I also enjoyed being sought after by very attractive girls, both of these are very good looking for me, better than I usually get. I'm dressing better, more dominant personality, getting IOIs. But I also don't want to give up easy, very good lays.

Whats the RVF reaction to stringing along party sluts with false promises of LTR / marriage? Any other drawbacks or mistakes Im making? I'm here to learn.

[Guitarman]

Just don't get either of them pregnant!

[YossariansRight]

Don't overthink this. Be ambiguous. Treat them like any another pump & dump.

[PapayaTapper]

There's a lot at issue here including how you are viewing / communicating with yourself about you but I'll stick to the question you asked.

Are you making promises you don't intend to keep or are they making assumptions about your intentions and you just don't correct them?

If the former then it's a question of personal morality/ethics that no one can really answer but you.

If it's the latter then it's on them.

In either case it doesn't sound like they're "investing all of their eggs in your basket" (pun intended) so they are using you as much as you are using them. Just be prepared that if some other chode makes them a "better" offer (such as permanence / stability) they'll be gone.

[WestIndianArchie]

Not sure how to handle the China aspect.

WIA

[ball dont lie]

(12-09-2015 11:40 AM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

There's a lot at issue here including how you are viewing / communicating with yourself about you but I'll stick to the question you asked.

Are you making promises you don't intend to keep or are they making assumptions about your intentions and you just don't correct them?

If the former then it's a question of personal morality/ethics that no one can really answer but you.

If it's the latter then it's on them.

In either case it doesn't sound like they're "investing all of their eggs in your basket" (pun intended) so they are using you as much as you are using them. Just be prepared that if some other chode makes them a "better" offer (such as permanence / stability) they'll be gone.

Papaya - If you have some time send me a PM about the first, Id like to hear. I'm a bit down on myself in the post in some ways. I don't usually spend my free time juggling hot women, so I don't also have to confront the trouble of other high value men playing "the game" against me.

As far as lying to them - For example one of them is divorced, which is China is a TKO for a respectable local guy, no way - she asked what I thought about that and I said: it doesn't have anything to do with me, that's not the important thing. Is it important to you? I mostly side-stepped the issue and don't talk about promises (marriage, future) that I don't plan to keep.

[Svoboda]

(12-09-2015 11:16 AM)ball dont lie Wrote:  

2 - They are both looking for someone to "save" them and are trying every trick in the book to honeypot me. (So far I have not minded this, its been great)

3 - They are always asking me about if I'm with other girls, act jealous. Seems to me a case of projection since I have no doubt they are seeing other dudes on the side trying for the same deal(which Im OK with since I cant see two girls every night, I don't have the time for that). One of them "had a boyfriend" and came home with me.

I'm kind of entering this stage myself with some chick. Could you elaborate about the tricks they use to honeypot you?

[jariel]

(12-10-2015 01:01 AM)Svoboda Wrote:  

I'm kind of entering this stage myself with some chick. Could you elaborate about the tricks they use to honeypot you?

Anything a woman starts doing that will lull you into a state of dependency is always one of the "tricks".

Good sex, cooking meals, doing laundry, running errands, etc. after a while, if you allow a girl to do that for you, you get lulled into a state of dependency where you begin to count on those things from her.

Once you become dependent on her for anything, that is power she can use against you when she sees fit.

The OP mentioned that the chick is giving him good sex, that's the biggest trick of all, because after all, who wants to get rid of a chick who is draining his balls?

Don't fall for that. A chick should know how to suck a dick and take a dick. If she doesn't, it's because she hasn't bothered to learn, and if she hasn't bothered to learn, it's because she doesn't care to. Personally,
I never put extras on a chick's sex game. Just because a chick can suck and fuck, doesn't mean she's relationship material, it most likely means, she's just good in bed, and that might be the only thing she's good at. If you look at it from the other perspective, women almost never end up with the men who gave them the best sex: http://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/heart...ar-AA3fOhp

Think of the dating game this way, if you really want a girl, then you want her to be the one doing certain things for you, but if you don't want her, then the fact that she's doing them anyway should let you know what game she's trying to play.

Once you put the brakes on, watch a lot of that extra shit stop, because again, it's being used on you to lock you into a relationship.

[KorbenDallas]

I've run into a lot of these types of girls recently too. I've met a lot of these older, about to hit the wall party chicks...It's probably the city I'm in. Some of the shit they say is hilarious.

"The club just isn't as fun as it was when I was 21."

Theres going to be a lot of good genes that don't reproduce because of feminism...the thing about the Great depression before was that at least women weren't all on the feminism bandwagon back then...

But to your point. You don't owe them anything. Plenty of young girls that want good men too. They all have sob stories. My ex abused me, blah blah blah.

When you did deeper you realize...they dated some low life from 20-25...when they could have married the literally thousands of guys that would have married them and protected them for life

I've been with these girls and it pisses me off. A lot of them threw the best years of their lives away for nothing. And no, its not all "Society". These girls families, for the most part, gave them the right advice. They chose to ignore it anyway.

It's a strange generation to be a part of...this millennial generation.

[jariel]

(12-10-2015 01:49 AM)KorbenDallas Wrote:  

But to your point. You don't owe them anything. Plenty of young girls that want good men too. They all have sob stories. My ex abused me, blah blah blah.

When you did deeper you realize...they dated some low life from 20-25...when they could have married the literally thousands of guys that would have married them and protected them for life

I've been with these girls and it pisses me off. A lot of them threw the best years of their lives away for nothing.

Good points Korben, but I'd add that it's not that some of them "threw their lives away", it's more that, they were never really who they appeared to be.

Chicks who seem like they can do better but don't, are too insecure to put themselves in the game and instead date at a level they feel comfortable with and/or when they do find "good guys", they manage to fuck up those relationships.

A lot of girls are just fuck ups, and some are just teases, like a big who can give you 20 and 8, but never hits any clutch shots when it's late in the game.

People end up with who they end up with for a reason.

[ball dont lie]

If morally you're O.K with it, plough ahead.
But always remember that you're in the Red Zone with these honeys.

When they were 21 & beautiful,
Averaging 1.000 when they batted away nice guy advances.
Fucking night scene chodes.
& thinking the eternal party that was their youth would never end
They should have considered the future.

They can't lock a guy like you down.
I don't think you're a step down,
You're likely a perfect mix of provider & entertainer that they now need.

Don't get trapped Bro.
They are in this for the long run.
They are already envisioning the year 2020,
You as their hapless slave & provider.

Let it be some other sucker.

[Svoboda]

(12-10-2015 01:38 AM)jariel Wrote:  

Anything a woman starts doing that will lull you into a state of dependency is always one of the "tricks".

Good sex, cooking meals, doing laundry, running errands, etc. after a while, if you allow a girl to do that for you, you get lulled into a state of dependency where you begin to count on those things from her.

Current girl is working hard to promote herself to girlfriend status. I've had girls do this before, but it never got to me.

[KorbenDallas]

^^^

If she's below the age of 24, I would think about it.

I'm not on the "no girl is ever good enough to be in a LTR with kids with me because she's had sex before" train. That would honestly simply disqualify too many.


I am on the no girl above 24 is good enough for me long term though. And I very much prefer 18-22 to build a life with.

I'm more traditional than most the forum though and I thinks its because my parents are still together and met young.

just my thoughts

[Svoboda]

(12-10-2015 02:22 PM)KorbenDallas Wrote:  

^^^

If she's below the age of 24, I would think about it.

I'm not on the "no girl is ever good enough to be in a LTR with kids with me because she's had sex before" train. That would honestly simply disqualify too many.


I am on the no girl above 24 is good enough for me long term though. And I very much prefer 18-22 to build a life with.

I'm more traditional than most the forum though and I thinks its because my parents are still together and met young.

just my thoughts

She's almost 30, She's Asian, great body (fit, small breasts but nice ass), cute face, being very sweet and nice to me, good sex, not the best, but better than average (I'd say in the best 20%) and eager to both please me and wanting me to fuck her. She's very much looking for something serious, keeps mentioning stuff related to that.
I'm in Europe, it wouldn't be so hard to find equal women in Asia, but relatively hard for me to bang chicks like her here in Europe, without getting some drama or push for LTR.

Most of my succesful (for a longer period) plates from the past were less good looking, or busy with other stuf, not looking for something serious when I first met them. The ones less good looking would (usualy) slowely try to create a relationship, which at some point they would realize wouldn't happen. The ones not looking for something serious, busy with other stuff, would be the best, although some developed feelings after x amount of sleeping together.

OP sorry for hijacking your thread.

[StrikeBack]

Don't try to string them along for too long. Asian women in Asia can get very vindictive as they reach the leftover age, and it is cheap to pay someone to splash acid on your face...

[CynicalContrarian]

(12-11-2015 12:18 AM)StrikeBack Wrote:  

Don't try to string them along for too long. Asian women in Asia can get very vindictive as they reach the leftover age, and it is cheap to pay someone to splash acid on your face...

Hmmm.
Not sure I want to ask how you found that out...

[StrikeBack]

I'm of SEA background, it's not unheard of overthere. A friend's cousin strung this chick along then got engaged to another. Scorned girl hired some homeless dude to splash acid on his fiancees face.

[Virtus]

There are more slightly younger whores. If you string them along too long then they will not be able to have children with whoever else that is not you. And that is you helping a thoughtless human being get to a point of no return. A childless woman getting old is a shitty situation

[Thoroughbred]

(12-11-2015 03:06 AM)Virtus Wrote:  

There are more slightly younger whores. If you string them along too long then they will not be able to have children with whoever else that is not you. And that is you helping a thoughtless human being get to a point of no return. A childless woman getting old is a shitty situation

http://the3bromigos.com/2015/05/05/sexua...uel-theft/

[nmmoooreland20]

Don't need to really "string them along." Just keep pounding them out proper. Good orgasms will keep them hooked. Eventually, you'll get sick of the monotony, and the situation will work itself out.

[DVY]

Dont worry about it.

She'll move on eventually (usually the 1 yr mark) when she realizes she can't settle you.

I call it dating in that you smash and pretend to be her BF for that day/night but tomorrow is a free day.

[Merenguero]

(12-10-2015 02:08 AM)jariel Wrote:  

(12-10-2015 01:49 AM)KorbenDallas Wrote:  

But to your point. You don't owe them anything. Plenty of young girls that want good men too. They all have sob stories. My ex abused me, blah blah blah.

When you did deeper you realize...they dated some low life from 20-25...when they could have married the literally thousands of guys that would have married them and protected them for life

I've been with these girls and it pisses me off. A lot of them threw the best years of their lives away for nothing.

Good points Korben, but I'd add that it's not that some of them "threw their lives away", it's more that, they were never really who they appeared to be.

Chicks who seem like they can do better but don't, are too insecure to put themselves in the game and instead date at a level they feel comfortable with and/or when they do find "good guys", they manage to fuck up those relationships.

A lot of girls are just fuck ups, and some are just teases, like a big who can give you 20 and 8, but never hits any clutch shots when it's late in the game.

People end up with who they end up with for a reason.

As I've said before, people, both male and female, are insecure as hell, have horrible self esteem, and make horrible decisions all the time. Knowing that, why do you think most women, even quality women, would end up with/date/marry/bang anything but a low value male? There are always exceptions, but you get the idea.

[pro100pk2]

I love party girls

[Suits]

This is the wrong time to be asking these questions.



The cold weather months are a hibernation period for Chinese women. You've got two plates that are giving you great sex. Keep banging them until spring when the short skirts come out and then look for upgrades.

They aren't getting any younger, but I'm sure they both have enough gas in the tank to last you till April.

Don't worry about giving off too much of a potential provider vibe. This is what is getting repeated access to pussy. While ONS are exciting, we've all had those and it's a lot more work to get one bang per girl than to get repeated bangs from the same piece of ass.

Meanwhile, I'd love to hear some stories about their honeypotting techniques.

[Laner]

I love this about China right now. These are the first girls to be caught out in the storm of Sex and the City lifestyle. For some reason, I can't see it happening for too long. The herd mentality in China seems to be strong, and when this generation of women gets burned, the younger ones see this mess and start acting accordingly.

I have been all over the ages category in China in the last few weeks. From 22 to 34. The younger girls are sweet, terrible in bed but are just happy to be desired and be with me. The older girls are very sexy, dress well and can fuck like champs. One girl had a Perfect 10 body, unlike any other I have ever seen. But she was a player and her girl friends hated her.

To guys like us, it can be laughable as we can see right through their games. I give no indication of future with them, though I do bait them with "I see some adventures in our future". Girls pushing or over 30 have money, and love to travel. I could pick one of 5 girls right now who would meet me for Chinese New Years in some exotic locale. They like to play up their options on WeChat, but notice the level of quality of Chinese men goes down with each passing year.

To be honest, these types of Chinese women fit perfectly into my lifestyle at the moment. They are classy, smart, wealthy and attractive. They also find my mysterious lifestyle alluring. I reserve my feelings for the younger girls and just enjoy the older women for what they are to me; a pleasant and highly sensual distraction.