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12-02-2015, 05:54 PM
Not to hijack the thread but
In france the charlie hebdo events was also predicted with extreme accuracy by alain soral 2 years prior.
I understand the principle of coincidence but I just can't believe in it
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12-02-2015, 05:59 PM
Its freaky because there was that "light" in the sky a few weeks ago, one of my coworker asked a family member of hers who worked in a government agency about it and got a very strange response about something happening and to be careful. I think this warning happened the day before the France shooting as well.
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12-02-2015, 11:09 PM
Ex cop here, 3 years detective.
Im not getting your post. What is the question here? If police stage shootings during training to appear as heroes? If these attacks are false flags to get more powers?
No. Cops dont want more power. A small fraction of cops get in that line of work because they are power hungry. (Just like a small fraction of boy scout leaders get in that line of work because they want to fondle boys) Most cops get in that line of work because they want a monthly salary. They want to be left alone, to be left behind the desk, not to be in the line of fire save for small matters that still give them that heroic patriotic feeling. And because the job is secured. Unless you do a major fuck up, its very difficult to get yourself fired. And its really easy not to majorly fuck up. Small fuckups are overlooked, unless they need to remove you for political reasons, and political power in the police force is only relevant in the upper spheres, like commisioners, secretaries, or upper officers, all of which usually see their heads roll whenever theres a mayor tragedy, like a building burning down after regulations where not followed, or a tragedy that disturbs the populations illusions of security, like a mass shooting in a care home would be.
So no, theres no way these shootings would have been staged by the police.
The military industry complex, which has been pushing towards the militarization of small rural or suburban american towns, would be another thing though. Whats the purpose?
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12-03-2015, 03:41 AM
My take on police conveniently 'conducting training exercises' when terrorists strike is that they have intelligence that an attack is likely to occur, but they don't know exactly where/how, so they deploy to the general area.
They possibly don't warn the general public because:
1) They aren't 100% certain the attack will occur
2) They don't want to cause chaos/economic disruption/mass hysteria etc
3) They want to avoid accusations of incompetence/not acting appropriately if it gets known that they knew an attack was going to occur but couldn't prevent it.
4) They don't want to tip off the attackers who might abort/divert to an unknown target.
5) They might compromise their intelligence source
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12-03-2015, 09:44 PM
Quote: (12-03-2015 03:41 AM)Speculation Wrote:
My take on police conveniently 'conducting training exercises' when terrorists strike is that they have intelligence that an attack is likely to occur, but they don't know exactly where/how, so they deploy to the general area.
They possibly don't warn the general public because:
1) They aren't 100% certain the attack will occur
2) They don't want to cause chaos/economic disruption/mass hysteria etc
3) They want to avoid accusations of incompetence/not acting appropriately if it gets known that they knew an attack was going to occur but couldn't prevent it.
4) They don't want to tip off the attackers who might abort/divert to an unknown target.
5) They might compromise their intelligence source
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12-04-2015, 07:22 PM
I do recall rumors after the Silk Road bust that the NSA "anonymously" tips off local law enforcement agencies to activity it has intelligence on through domestic surveillance. Since this would be technically illegal, there would be a need for plausible deniability.
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12-05-2015, 03:39 AM
Well, my dad used to and still does work for a gov agency that did a lot of training. I won't go into what specific dept it was as that would eat away my anonymity. Suffice to say he did a lot of teaching and training with everyone from Leo's to literally green berets and even delta force.
My dad is no soldier either, he was overweight and basically a nerdy doctor and office drone. He was also one of a small pool of trainers for nbc first responders. Again, not going into detail about which NBC it was but basically there are only a few different agencies that focs on that stuff outside of the military.
Here is the thing, they would only have a few incidences a year and they were usually industrial accidents or some type of freak accident. We haven't had any NBC terrorist attacks but they still have to train people and keep studying tactics and what not.
So, what do they do during the months between some worker using equipment that isn't properly shielded and getting exposed?
Mostly the do some research, go to conferences, hold training classes, and hold real life realtime drills involving different scenarios.
In fact not long ago they did a huge drill involving actors and many different departments like FEMA, local LEOs, the local hospital, dept. of health, national guard, and so on.
They were not only training but testing response time in the case of a massive terrorist attack using NBC materials.
I say this because a NBC terrorist attack isn't likely but they still train multiple times per year in these realtime scenarios.
I would imagine that the local swat team probably isn't needed on a daily or even weakly basis in most of America. So I would figure they are probably training around the clock, especially in smaller cities and towns.
It really shouldn't take them that long to switch to live ammo after getting the call.
Though, it does seem a bit suspicious.
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12-05-2015, 04:22 AM
Pretty sure the San Bernadino folks got caught on some illegal wire tapping systems. Since the feds and police can't and don't want to reveal their spying tricks they just get a bunch of guys in the nearby area and pounce when the time is right.
That way they can say they were in the right place at the right time, subdue the bad guys, and prosecute them without revealing the spy apparatus.
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