[zombiejimmorrison]

(11-14-2015 03:19 PM)GlobalMan Wrote:  

(11-14-2015 11:15 AM)Tim in real life Wrote:  

7. Stop fucking provoking the locals in the Middle East, to the point the Anglosphere military glory hunters are too giddy to invade the Middle East like it's The Crusades.

So you believe Islamic extremists attack the West because we have "provoked" them, do you?

Nevermind that Islamists have been attacking Americans since before the Declaration of Independence, before we set foot in any of their countries.

Provoking them? You can't deny that, America loves doing that and it should stop. The worst of it is this, America and western countries should stop bombing the Middle East and killing people and then selling them weapons.

[The Beast1]

(11-15-2015 06:35 AM)InsertNameHere Wrote:  

(11-15-2015 04:41 AM)eradicator Wrote:  

(11-15-2015 12:45 AM)captndonk Wrote:  

Send all arabs, afghans and muslim africains etc back home.
Secure the border.

But what about the children?

Or rather, what about the women? French North African girls are among my favourite vices in life, I'd hate to lose them. If we're taking radical measures and sending immigrants away, let's at least keep the (attractive) women. They'll become war brides anyway.

Stop thinking with your small head. You want 3rd world women, go to their 3rd world, bang a few, marry one, and take her back. Otherwise the women and their "children" will grow up and repeat the same atrocities we have now.

[JacksonRev]

(11-15-2015 08:04 AM)zombiejimmorrison Wrote:  

Provoking them? You can't deny that, America loves doing that and it should stop. The worst of it is this, America and western countries should stop bombing the Middle East and killing people and then selling them weapons.

I agree, we should definitely stop selling them weapons.

[solipsis85]

(11-15-2015 06:35 AM)InsertNameHere Wrote:  

(11-15-2015 04:41 AM)eradicator Wrote:  

(11-15-2015 12:45 AM)captndonk Wrote:  

Send all arabs, afghans and muslim africains etc back home.
Secure the border.

But what about the children?

Or rather, what about the women? French North African girls are among my favourite vices in life, I'd hate to lose them. If we're taking radical measures and sending immigrants away, let's at least keep the (attractive) women. They'll become war brides anyway.

You have weird test, french north african women (maghrebian) are the most fucked up of all.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

(11-14-2015 12:24 PM)Libertas Wrote:  

The "moderate" solutions:

1. Immediately implement Austrailia's policy on boats. If you come in uninvited by boat (or through Ceuta) with no visa, you will NEVER make Europe home. PERIOD.
2. Mass deportations of every fucking "refugee" that came through since 2013 in violation of the Dublin rules. You are no longer a refugee when you're in Greece or Italy.
3. Immediate halt to any further immigration from the Middle East and North Africa. If Europe really needs immigrants, take them from elsewhere like the US is doing for the most part. Say what you want about our immigration policy, and indeed it deserves much criticism, but the people we get are much better than the ones Europe's been getting.
4. Bans on the hijab and anything else like that in public.
5. Muslims already in Europe must renounce certain passages in the Koran. If they do not, institute a self-deportation policy on the lines of Israel.
6. Immediate deportation of any criminal Muslims and their families.

The more extreme solutions don't need to be said. We all know what they are. Hopefully that won't happen, but I'm getting further and further the feeling that 2015 was the year moderation died.

[DjembaDjemba]

Turn the middle east liberal. Pour billions of dollars in funding liberal causes there, then wait for about a generation.

[uncledick]

(11-15-2015 10:38 AM)DjembaDjemba Wrote:  

Turn the middle east liberal. Pour billions of dollars in funding liberal causes there, then wait for about a generation.

Email George Soros, the old "Liberal" bastard is doing his best to make Europe Illiberal.

I can only imagine how his money could enlighten the ME.

[Blackhawk]

(11-14-2015 12:35 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

Reinstate Saddam Husseim

Who was born last century. In 1935. The guy was old,



and in the process of being overthrown by his two homicidal sons, Uday and Qusay, either of whom would have been far worse than our current situation. Fuad Masum is the second Kurd to be President of Iraq, and while he's Iraqi first, at least he's not an active enemy of the West.

Same with Gaddafi and the rest. A bunch of Dictators were put into place post WWII, all of whom got too old and fell out of power at the same time as well --ie Arab Spring. With no dictator succession plans.

Now Libya is ruled by Mohammed Magariaf. Again, not an active enemy of the West, so Americans don't hear about him. Few Americans know who's the President of Canada, Mexico, France or the U.K either. They only focus on perceived enemies, so they all know about Putin.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

Guys, someone please post again that picture of a sheep with the french colors. I saw it earlier in one of the three relevant threads (paris attack, migrant invasion, how to stop this) but can't find anymore. Thanks!

[Latinopan]

(11-14-2015 07:44 PM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

Get women out of the voting booth. The only way to resolve this issue is to stop liberalism. Maybe 30 to 40% of the lower level men are liberal because they can't make it on their own or are jealous of the men who do make it big. But when you allow women to vote, liberalism becomes the majority.

The cause of all this is liberal policies...

Feminism - taking women out of the home and putting them in the office, so they don't have kids and you are forced to immigrate just to pay for your failed liberal policies.

Social Safety Nets - can only be afforded with a growing population, which doesn't grow without immigrating and replacing your natural population over time.

Get women out of the voting booth, then liberalism disappears, and nature fixes itself.

This is the big part that many don't see,

Look how USA 2012 would have end up if only men voted:


This is the actual result:


I pretty sure it would be the same in Europe, women are simply to damn emotional and see the government as a sugar daddy.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

Found it!

[RIslander]

The problem is that most Europeans are so socially conditioned and removed from violence, they will never support a right wing stance until they are personally exposed to violence. Its almost as if these terrorist attacks don't exist, and they can take to Facebook and Twitter to feel like they're making a difference by changing the profile pictures. Not until they see violence personally, more than one or two times, will they finally get it.

[GlobalMan]

(11-15-2015 08:04 AM)zombiejimmorrison Wrote:  

(11-14-2015 03:19 PM)GlobalMan Wrote:  

(11-14-2015 11:15 AM)Tim in real life Wrote:  

7. Stop fucking provoking the locals in the Middle East, to the point the Anglosphere military glory hunters are too giddy to invade the Middle East like it's The Crusades.

So you believe Islamic extremists attack the West because we have "provoked" them, do you?

Nevermind that Islamists have been attacking Americans since before the Declaration of Independence, before we set foot in any of their countries.

Provoking them? You can't deny that, America loves doing that and it should stop. The worst of it is this, America and western countries should stop bombing the Middle East and killing people and then selling them weapons.

Can't be bothered to repeat what I've said elsewhere, it's getting old.

The West did not create Islamic extremism.

It's foolish and ahistorical to think that you can simply 'leave them alone' and they will stop what they do.

[Libertas]

No but you do need to leave the dictators that control these cretins with an iron fist alone.

[Off The Reservation]

(11-14-2015 12:24 PM)Libertas Wrote:  

The "moderate" solutions:

1. Immediately implement Austrailia's policy on boats. If you come in uninvited by boat (or through Ceuta) with no visa, you will NEVER make Europe home. PERIOD.
2. Mass deportations of every fucking "refugee" that came through since 2013 in violation of the Dublin rules. You are no longer a refugee when you're in Greece or Italy.
3. Immediate halt to any further immigration from the Middle East and North Africa. If Europe really needs immigrants, take them from elsewhere like the US is doing for the most part. Say what you want about our immigration policy, and indeed it deserves much criticism, but the people we get are much better than the ones Europe's been getting.
4. Bans on the hijab and anything else like that in public.
5. Muslims already in Europe must renounce certain passages in the Koran. If they do not, institute a self-deportation policy on the lines of Israel.
6. Immediate deportation of any criminal Muslims and their families.

The more extreme solutions don't need to be said. We all know what they are. Hopefully that won't happen, but I'm getting further and further the feeling that 2015 was the year moderation died.

'nuff said

[ATTA]

Realistically, nothing can be done to stem the tide of "Islamic Extremism" as long as the people who are in charge stay in charge. The EU is not going to close shut the borders. Hollande is not going to rethink the splendor that is multiculturalism and Merkel will continue to push for the soft genocide of the German Volk through mass importation of brown people.

What should happen and what must happen in order for Europe to remain European is to militarize the border countries of the south and southeast. Next each country should be responsible for removing all Muslims (not just "extremist" ones) from their lands. Then finally restructure the political apparatus in such a way that emphatically declares European blood as integral and paramount to the success and well being of the continent.

As Roissy sometimes rattles off: wake up white man.

[Parzival]

Fanatics are manly 2th or 3th generation immigrants. Not direct refugees. Maybe those refugees will turn into some, 90 % will live on social welfare for the next 15 years. No future for them to take part as a productive member of society, frustration will rise.

A lot of 2th and 3th born immigrants have a high frustration. They drop often out of school, they are in the lower spectrum of society. In many areas they life in kind of ghettos with no perspective. Make it very easy for radical Imans to train them into fanatics. Those people are manly loser and their fanaticism is the only thing that let them feel as winners.

When Europe want to stop this, Europe should take care what kind of people they let in. Don't let everybody in. And those that pass should watched. Send them to school, do social programs and so on. That they get an education, that they can participate in society. Also break down that they clinch to each other. In the past it was very popular to send those immigrants to certain areas with no local people. Now you have a bunch of your tribesmen, a lot with no jobs and no future. What will happen? Crime will rise and some will turn into fanatics.

The next point is, to ban all religious stuff from public. To wear a hijab maybe is right in the way of the laws of tolerance. But cover your face should not be allowed. The state has to be more strict. Every radical behaviour need punishment direct. Deport them. If they can not be deported, do it anyway or lower the money they get from social welfare.
The state should also try out the money founders for radical Imans in the Mosques.

An other point is, let those people alone in their countries. Do maybe some business with them like the Chinese. Thats all. Don't get involved into their politics. Don't liberate them, don't bring them democracy. Let them fix their own shit. But for me this will not happen, western countries love to fuck the shit up in those places.

[Khan]

(11-15-2015 04:06 PM)GlobalMan Wrote:  

Can't be bothered to repeat what I've said elsewhere, it's getting old.

The West did not create Islamic extremism.

It's foolish and ahistorical to think that you can simply 'leave them alone' and they will stop what they do.

Exactly. 'The West created Islamic extremism' is another leftist myth that has no grounds in reality. It's true that modern US policy towards the Middle East (from the 1960s onward) varies from mediocre at best to complete insanity at worst, but history didn't begin 50 years ago.

By its definition and core tenets, Islam is extremist, and simply cannot coexist with any other religion or culture on Earth. In other words, you can choose not to fight Islam, but Islam will fight you, regardless of what you think or do. 14 centuries of history are a testament to that.

A book that opened my eyes on this matter is The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam by Robert Spencer. A great read. Before reading this book, I also believed in this 'Muslims are innocent and good, it's the evil West that is to blame for everything' bullshit. Not anymore.

[PapayaTapper]

(11-15-2015 11:49 AM)Blackhawk Wrote:  

(11-14-2015 12:35 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

Reinstate Saddam Husseim

Who was born last century. In 1935. The guy was old,



and in the process of being overthrown by his two homicidal sons, Uday and Qusay, either of whom would have been far worse than our current situation. Fuad Masum is the second Kurd to be President of Iraq, and while he's Iraqi first, at least he's not an active enemy of the West.

Same with Gaddafi and the rest. A bunch of Dictators were put into place post WWII, all of whom got too old and fell out of power at the same time as well --ie Arab Spring. With no dictator succession plans.

Now Libya is ruled by Mohammed Magariaf. Again, not an active enemy of the West, so Americans don't hear about him. Few Americans know who's the President of Canada, Mexico, France or the U.K either. They only focus on perceived enemies, so they all know about Putin.

(11-15-2015 04:30 PM)Libertas Wrote:  

No but you do need to leave the dictators that control these cretins with an iron fist alone.

^^^^This

I'm not sure how anyone can posit that the US, ME specifically and the world in general wouldn't have been better off today if the US hadn't gone and invaded Afghanistan, and then fucked with Iraq.

Kill Osama bin Laden, the master mind of the 9/11 attacks? Neither of the above mentioned mult-trillion $ cluster fucks accomplished that. Rather a well planned, surgical strike spec ops that probably only cost a few $million did that.

It would have been more prudent to spend those $trillions on developing our own energy independence and then we wouldn't have given a fuck about the ME and they likely wouldn't give a fuck about us. I think a LOT of people could've lived with that.

[Grange]

(11-14-2015 07:35 PM)rottenapple Wrote:  

If you wish to set aside liberal values to win the war, for what society are you fighting the war then? If you do not represent this difference yourself, then why are you attacking the other party? You became them.

You mean liberal in the classical European sense correct? Sadly many RVF members don't have these values. I'm surprised at how many would fit in just fine with Stormfront.

[Agastya]

The real solution to ending this crisis lies in the Middle East itself. You can argue all you want about how Islam is inherently a dangerous, evil religion that needs to be wiped off the map, but many posters here seem to forget that the main actors against ISIS are Muslims themselves. King Abdullah of Jordan has personally led the Jordanian airforce against ISIS, and General Qasem Soleimani of Iran has been hammering them from the east ever since the group first gained prominence. King Abdullah even recently released a press statement urging Muslims to combat and expose extremism within their own ranks.

These are the people who stand the greatest chance of defeating ISIS and ending extremism in the Middle East for good. Not more Western intervention, not "turning the entire Middle East into a glass factory". Islamic extremism didn't begin with Western intervention, but events like the Gulf War and the Iraq War exacerbated things beyond reason. The U.S' support for Saudi Arabia is also inexcusable. The Saudis are literally the ideological root of this entire mess. Their Wahhabi beliefs, all filthy perversions of Islam have been allowed to spread across the Middle East, claiming millions of lives across the world. Many people here advocate destroying Islam as a religion, which I would argue is impossible; but it is absolutely necessary to crush Wahhabism completely. And I believe that this can only really be done by other Muslims.

[WalterBlack]

You can’t ban Islamic immigration to the west, but you can clamp down on the people already there. (This list is relevant to UK, but a lot of things can apply to Europe)

• Ban all immigration from Islamic countries, unless they are non-Muslims seeking asylum.
• Ban all Saudi preachers from western countries. Deport any who are currently there.
• All mosques must have their sermons approved by the government – Any Islamic preacher who preaches against the country he’s residing in jailed or executed for treason.
• All Muslims who leave the west to fight in Islamic will be considered enemies of the state and will be executed if they make back to the west. If spotted abroad in a warzone, they are to be shot dead.
• All welfare payments to Muslims to be reduced or eliminated. They will be forced to either get a job, or do community work such street cleaning. If they don't like the idea of working the can move to another country.
  

• Ban cousin marriage.
• Any Muslim who tries to enforce sharia law in any public space will be executed.
• Make no allowances for Muslim kids at school or the workplace. No prayer rooms in schools or offices. No halal food served in schools – Muslims students should have a vegetarian option, or they can bring their own food.
• Shut down all tax payer funded Islamic schools.
• In UK only Church of England, Roman Catholic and Jewish Schools are allowed to remain open. These schools have been around for hundreds of years and caused very small amount of issues when it comes to educating kids. All Hindu, Sikh and Muslim schools to be closed.
  

• Do not allow Muslim ghettos to form, they must live amongst the general population.
• For government housing first priority will be given to native citizens. Muslim to come last.
• In the UK there have been protest against UK soldiers returning from military parades. The soldiers will be given the right to shoot any Muslim dead who says treasonous remarks at these parades.
• Any Muslim who works in a place where alcohol should be sold and refuses to is liable to be sued by their employer, same is true of women who want to wear hijab.
• All children of all religions to be taught the truth about the history of Islam and the atrocities in its name – e.g. against Christians in the Middle East, Hindus in India, Buddhists in Afghanistan.
  

[The Wire]

(11-14-2015 04:21 PM)TheNookieMonster Wrote:  

3. Make a public announcement that anyone who makes a terrorist attack against Europeans will not only be killed, but their seed will be wiped from this earth using the same strategy as the Paris terrorists i.e. kill grandparents and all living descendants of those grandparents using methods that cause massive collateral damage.

As crazy as that sounds thats really the only thing you could do(though I wouldn't use nukes). You literally can't go any lower than what they are willing to do. They are willing to take out soft targets who have absolutely nothing to do with the war. The very least we could do is give them some little deterrent because as of now there is zero deterrent.

[Captainstabbin]

(11-16-2015 10:31 PM)The Wire Wrote:  

(11-14-2015 04:21 PM)TheNookieMonster Wrote:  

3. Make a public announcement that anyone who makes a terrorist attack against Europeans will not only be killed, but their seed will be wiped from this earth using the same strategy as the Paris terrorists i.e. kill grandparents and all living descendants of those grandparents using methods that cause massive collateral damage.

As crazy as that sounds thats really the only thing you could do(though I wouldn't use nukes). You literally can't go any lower than what they are willing to do. They are willing to take out soft targets who have absolutely nothing to do with the war. The very least we could do is give them some little deterrent because as of now there is zero deterrent.

Most of them probably don't give a damn about their families. The rest think that having a western country go after their family will gain sympathy for the cause...and they're probably right.