[Traktor]

In light of the Paris attacks, many Europeans will be asking what steps should be taken to protect themselves from further terrorist attack. Both governing and opposition parties on the Left and Right will be mulling over what policies should be implemented.
I would suggest the following:


1. Ban foreign funding of religion within the EU. Many mosques are financially supported by the Saudis or Gulf States. These have become hotbeds of Islamic extremism and effectively Universities of Islamic Terrorism - thus creating the next generation of violent extremists. Blocking foreign financial aid to them will come close to closing them down or at least significantly reduce their activities.

2. Start fully implementing the Dublin Convention which requires refugees to apply for asylum in the first EU country they entered and, if they cross borders to another country after being fingerprinted, they can be returned to the former. Financial assistance should be provided to those first countries to hold refugees until circumstances allow them to return to their country or origin or to be accepted in other EU countries upon application.

3. Encourage existing European Muslims to integrate within European society. A good first step would be a prohibition on appearing in public with ones face covered. This is demeaning to the women involved even if they are unaware of it. it is also dangerous to public safety and I personally find it rather intimidating and uncomfortable. A second step would be the prevention of Muslim ghettos being formed in the cities.

4. All the regional powers that be convene a conference and thrash out a deal to end the violence in Syria and Iraq. Countries like Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar should be told in no uncertain terms that their sponsoring of jihadi extremists will no longer be tolerated and their failure to do so will elicit a strong military response.

5. Encourage the growth of secular and democratic movements and safeguard secular governments. The West should drop its ridiculous pre-condition that President Assad should go. That is not going to happen as President Assad is the legitimate president of Syria and has the support of the majority of Syrians be they Christians, Sunni, Shia, Allawi, Druze etc. Foreign regional and world powers should respect the territorial integrity and sovereignty of states as stated in the 1976 Geneva Agreement. Israel should be forced to vacate all territories occupied since 1967 and a viable Palestinian state be set up.

6. Increased surveillance, informer networks etc - this goes without saying. The French were utterly humiliated in the terror attack last night with President Hollande himself almost killed - they appear to have almost no homeland intelligence capability currently. New evidence however is emerging that French Intelligence knew of such an impending attack.


Any suggestions or comments would be greatly appreciated.

[Tim in real life]

7. Stop fucking provoking the locals in the Middle East, to the point the Anglosphere military glory hunters are too giddy to invade the Middle East like it's The Crusades.



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[GameNovice]

Ethnic cleansing within Europe, a full reset on all subversive muslim presence within greater Europe and the establishment of a buffer zone stretching from Northern Africa to the eastern borders of Europe ( Ukraine, Greece, Bulgaria etc ) from which future punitive expeditions could be staged.

This particular deathcult and its adherents can only be dealt with through brutal, merciless measures.

[spalex]

(11-14-2015 11:57 AM)GameNovice Wrote:  

Ethnic cleansing within Europe, a full reset on all subversive muslim presence within greater Europe and the establishment of a buffer zone stretching from Northern Africa to the eastern borders of Europe ( Ukraine, Greece, Bulgaria etc ) from which future punitive expeditions could be staged.

This particular deathcult and its adherents can only be dealt with through brutal, merciless measures.

Yeah this is what we all want, and we can fantasize about banning islam completely and all that.

But realistically the best we can do is get everybody who is on the fence to join the more right wing side.
Show them all exactly what people who follow islam believe. Prove to them how the SJWs are wrong and keep on doing it until the majority of the people wake up and are fully against islam.

[Libertas]

The "moderate" solutions:

1. Immediately implement Austrailia's policy on boats. If you come in uninvited by boat (or through Ceuta) with no visa, you will NEVER make Europe home. PERIOD.
2. Mass deportations of every fucking "refugee" that came through since 2013 in violation of the Dublin rules. You are no longer a refugee when you're in Greece or Italy.
3. Immediate halt to any further immigration from the Middle East and North Africa. If Europe really needs immigrants, take them from elsewhere like the US is doing for the most part. Say what you want about our immigration policy, and indeed it deserves much criticism, but the people we get are much better than the ones Europe's been getting.
4. Bans on the hijab and anything else like that in public.
5. Muslims already in Europe must renounce certain passages in the Koran. If they do not, institute a self-deportation policy on the lines of Israel.
6. Immediate deportation of any criminal Muslims and their families.

The more extreme solutions don't need to be said. We all know what they are. Hopefully that won't happen, but I'm getting further and further the feeling that 2015 was the year moderation died.

[RexImperator]

Quote:

1. Immediately implement Austrailia's policy on boats. If you come in uninvited by boat (or through Ceuta) with no visa, you will NEVER make Europe home. PERIOD.

This is key right here, and it would end the drownings, too, so it's actually a more humane policy.

[PapayaTapper]

Go back in time and reinstate Saddam Husseim so that he can go back to keeping a lid on all this shit.

Oh wait, you said realistically...my bad

[Captainstabbin]

Arm the public and make it legal to kill suspected terrorists.

[nomadbrah]

The only thing 'we' can do is arm ourselves through joining shooting clubs or getting hunting rifles.

The sensible political solution now would be to close off all borders immediatly first. Then send in the army into the suburbs of Paris and take back control. Go door to door and look for guns and explosives. Build new supermax prisons in isolated areas where anyone caught with a gun or explosives gets sent. People don't realize that the suburbs of Paris and Marseilles are literally outside the law and police doesn't go there.

The army needs to regain control of these areas.

[PapayaTapper]

(11-14-2015 12:35 PM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  

Arm the public and make it legal to kill suspected terrorists.

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[HankMoody]

This is the problem...

Islam is not compatible with liberal democracy. Muslims will elect a theocratic regime when given a liberal democracy, which is in binary opposition to the very concept. The fundamental concepts of Islam oppose the secular notions of liberal democracy.

Nationalism has existed for centuries for a reason - different societies have different values and cultures. For centuries, nations have wanted to keep those foreign values out of their homes. It's worked both ways - Islamic countries reject our secular and Judaeo / Christian values, while secular countries reject Islamic values.

However, this concept of opening the border completely changed that.

A "melting pot" is just that - influences from several different cultures. Cultures that are different from your own, and that my have beliefs that are in opposition to them.

Now you have hundreds of thousands of people whose religion is opposed to the notion of liberal democracy, entering countries that are built on the foundation of being a liberal democracy.

Europe got what it asked for - a melting pot. But as a result, it's going to become more Islamic.

[MajorStyles]

At this point, the only solution I see is changing your Facebook profile to a French flag: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/...rror_main. I am being facetious, of course.

Brace for the next wave of social media nonsense, proving that there is never an inopportune moment to attention whore.

[DeeDee]

How does OP define realistic? None of these listed in this thread are realistic in terms of ever happening. Here's another: retreat all foreign forces from the Middle East. Enable a buffer zone in Europe with a dedicated funnel country which its only objective is to scan foreigners/refugees coming in. If you don't go through there, you will be sent back. All refugees will be tested for motives, history and likeliness to fit in. Arm the entire buffer zone. Build a wall, I don't care. Stop supporting ANY party in the Middle East. Including, but not limited to Israel.

Let them fight for their cause and see who comes out on top. If it is positive, become an ally. If negative either have them accept the buffer zone or go at full scale war.

[thoughtgypsy]

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What realistic steps could the EU take to protect itself from Islamic extremism?

The question is moot. The EU does not want to protect itself from Islamic extremism. Full stop. The EU is doing everything it can to import Islamic extremism directly into the heart of Europe. When that changes, then we can have this conversation.

Until then, I think the conversation should be focused on what Europeans can do to protect themselves and their families. Secondarily, effective measures of civil disobedience and what they can do to sway politics towards nationalism.

[philosophical_recovery]

(11-14-2015 12:24 PM)Libertas Wrote:  

The "moderate" solutions:

1. Immediately implement Austrailia's policy on boats. If you come in uninvited by boat (or through Ceuta) with no visa, you will NEVER make Europe home. PERIOD.
2. Mass deportations of every fucking "refugee" that came through since 2013 in violation of the Dublin rules. You are no longer a refugee when you're in Greece or Italy.
3. Immediate halt to any further immigration from the Middle East and North Africa. If Europe really needs immigrants, take them from elsewhere like the US is doing for the most part. Say what you want about our immigration policy, and indeed it deserves much criticism, but the people we get are much better than the ones Europe's been getting.
4. Bans on the hijab and anything else like that in public.
5. Muslims already in Europe must renounce certain passages in the Koran. If they do not, institute a self-deportation policy on the lines of Israel.
6. Immediate deportation of any criminal Muslims and their families.

The more extreme solutions don't need to be said. We all know what they are. Hopefully that won't happen, but I'm getting further and further the feeling that 2015 was the year moderation died.

Stop banning guns and concealed carry for natural citizens and encourage competitive shooting (like the concealed carry based competitions stateside) and shooting ranges by dropping all taxes on such activities, as well as ammunition. Encourage sane, good trigger discipline, situational awareness, and self defense. Stop stealing money through the populace through taxes to give to cockroaches. End all social programs that encourage useless SJW behavior.

Forcing taxpayers to pay for their own assassins is the close to the root of all of this. Disarming them to do anything against it is icing on the cake. You want to help a refugee? Pay for it yourself, asshole.

[Horus]

(11-14-2015 12:55 PM)MajorStyles Wrote:  

At this point, the only solution I see is changing your Facebook profile to a French flag: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/...rror_main. I am being facetious, of course.

Brace for the next wave of social media nonsense, proving that there is never an inopportune moment to attention whore.

That's pissing me off. A bunch of idiots thinking at changing the colour of their facebook photo is going to do any damn good.

[Horus]

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[YossariansRight]

(11-14-2015 12:35 PM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  

Arm the public and make it legal to kill suspected terrorists.

Any anyone who tries to step in is just as much of an enemy as the Mohammadians and meet the same fate.

Fuck the PC enablers of this shit. They're traitors to their own nations, peoples and religions.

[YossariansRight]

(11-14-2015 01:26 PM)thoughtgypsy Wrote:  

Quote:

What realistic steps could the EU take to protect itself from Islamic extremism?

The question is moot. The EU does not want to protect itself from Islamic extremism. Full stop. The EU is doing everything it can to import Islamic extremism directly into the heart of Europe. When that changes, then we can have this conversation.

Until then, I think the conversation should be focused on what Europeans can do to protect themselves and their families. Secondarily, effective measures of civil disobedience and what they can do to sway politics towards nationalism.

You're right.

http://www.steynonline.com/7293/the-barb...e-no-gates

[The Wire]

I don't see any realistic ways considering the amount of muslims in Europe already. The only thing that might work is for all of the West to get completely out of the middle east and offer an apology then start to clean in-house of refugees and have a strict policy of any immigration. You have to close Europe off.

If the West stays in the middle east then you need to start implementing more radicial measures. Policies like all families of terroists will be arrested and executed. Massive NSA like spying on all communications with any leads allowing them to act without cause. Massive troop invasion by a giant coalition and then we implement a ruthless dictator who is under the West's payroll.

Things can be done to solve it. The question is will there be enough attacks to get it done. If this is the last attack for a year its not enough to disrupt French Life. Pretend for a second within the next 2 months 8 more attacks of this scale hit London, Moscow, NYC, Rome, LA, Paris(again), Berlin, Washington DC. Thats the only time I could see shit get crazy enough where radical actions going down.

[Geomann180]

Keep records of those enter illegally, "refugee" or not. Deport them all. Execute all who return.

With above enacted, the naked self-interest that brought these millions to Europe will eventually keep them out.

G

[YossariansRight]

(11-14-2015 01:43 PM)The Wire Wrote:  

I don't see any realistic ways considering the amount of muslims in Europe already. The only thing that might work is for all of the West to get completely out of the middle east and offer an apology then start to clean in-house of refugees and have a strict policy of any immigration. You have to close Europe off.

If the West stays in the middle east then you need to start implementing more radicial measures. Policies like all families of terroists will be arrested and executed. Massive NSA like spying on all communications with any leads allowing them to act without cause. Massive troop invasion by a giant coalition and then we implement a ruthless dictator who is under the West's payroll.

Things can be done to solve it. The question is will there be enough attacks to get it done. If this is the last attack for a year its not enough to disrupt French Life. Pretend for a second within the next 2 months 8 more attacks of this scale hit London, Moscow, NYC, Rome, LA, Paris(again), Berlin, Washington DC. Thats the only time I could see shit get crazy enough where radical actions going down.

They better think before hitting Moscow; that ruler hits back. The rest are ruled by weak, worthless cunts.

[The Wire]

(11-14-2015 01:50 PM)YossariansRight Wrote:  

(11-14-2015 01:43 PM)The Wire Wrote:  

I don't see any realistic ways considering the amount of muslims in Europe already. The only thing that might work is for all of the West to get completely out of the middle east and offer an apology then start to clean in-house of refugees and have a strict policy of any immigration. You have to close Europe off.

If the West stays in the middle east then you need to start implementing more radicial measures. Policies like all families of terroists will be arrested and executed. Massive NSA like spying on all communications with any leads allowing them to act without cause. Massive troop invasion by a giant coalition and then we implement a ruthless dictator who is under the West's payroll.

Things can be done to solve it. The question is will there be enough attacks to get it done. If this is the last attack for a year its not enough to disrupt French Life. Pretend for a second within the next 2 months 8 more attacks of this scale hit London, Moscow, NYC, Rome, LA, Paris(again), Berlin, Washington DC. Thats the only time I could see shit get crazy enough where radical actions going down.

They better think before hitting Moscow; that ruler hits back. The rest are ruled by weak, worthless cunts.

That I agree with but didn't they take down a Russian plane with over 200 a couple weeks ago?

[AnonymousBosch]

(11-14-2015 12:54 PM)HankMoody Wrote:  

Islam is not compatible with liberal democracy.

Neither is University-Indoctrinated Socialism (Social Justice, Marxism, Feminism, Identity Politics), and neither is Silicon Valley (Mental Environmentalists, Spys, Censors and Transhumanists).

There's a battle being fought on multiple fronts here, and all groups aim to destroy current Western Civilisation in the righteous cause of remaking it in their glorious image.

[philosophical_recovery]

(11-14-2015 01:50 PM)YossariansRight Wrote:  

(11-14-2015 01:43 PM)The Wire Wrote:  

I don't see any realistic ways considering the amount of muslims in Europe already. The only thing that might work is for all of the West to get completely out of the middle east and offer an apology then start to clean in-house of refugees and have a strict policy of any immigration. You have to close Europe off.

If the West stays in the middle east then you need to start implementing more radicial measures. Policies like all families of terroists will be arrested and executed. Massive NSA like spying on all communications with any leads allowing them to act without cause. Massive troop invasion by a giant coalition and then we implement a ruthless dictator who is under the West's payroll.

Things can be done to solve it. The question is will there be enough attacks to get it done. If this is the last attack for a year its not enough to disrupt French Life. Pretend for a second within the next 2 months 8 more attacks of this scale hit London, Moscow, NYC, Rome, LA, Paris(again), Berlin, Washington DC. Thats the only time I could see shit get crazy enough where radical actions going down.

They better think before hitting Moscow; that ruler hits back. The rest are ruled by weak, worthless cunts.

Keep eyes on Moscow, anyway. They used WWII as an allied power to sweep into western europe and plunge it into communism. Pretty soon, with the liberals busy scrambling for socialist power, could become a weakened Vichy Europe as Putin rolls right in. Now is the time for that to happen, before a U.S. presidential election potentially puts a hard right winger (Trump) in power to oppose rapid expansion.

Things are going to get interesting. A weak, socialist Europe (as it is) with porous borders without the cojones to stop it, will welcome Putin. This could have been in Putin's playbook the entire time.

May you live in interesting times.