[Aquiles_Baesta_Parada]

WTF! I just logged in to have a discussion about Starbucks' red cup and I find this!

[mikado]

(11-13-2015 06:59 PM)Repo Wrote:  

What can France do without a mass deportation? Hell at this point even that wouldn't be enough.

And who exactly would you deport? People with a french national citizenship? How many generations of french must there be in your family to not be deported?

[thoughtgypsy]

Anyone here take counterterrorism/active shooter training? Is there any useful advice we can provide for our French brothers? Only things I can remember:

- If you're staying in a hotel, get a room close to the stairwell or fire exit
- If you're in a hostage situation and being rescued, drop to the floor. Do not try to aid the rescuers by fighting your captors. You may just make it more difficult for the rescue team.

[nek]

This is a tragedy, but I can't help but think things have been building up to this.

[mikado]

There is a facebook tool to signal that you are safe. So far many of my facebook friends have used it.

[speakeasy]

(11-13-2015 06:59 PM)Repo Wrote:  

What can France do without a mass deportation? Hell at this point even that wouldn't be enough.

Truth is, there really is nothing you can do about the millions of Muslims already there. You can't forcibly stop them from reproducing(which I'm sure is at a faster rate than the natives). It's not like anyone is going to round up every Muslim in France and put them in a concentration camp whether they are guilty or anything or not. Most of them are French citizens and can't be deported and even if you did want to deport them, where will you deport them to? Another country has to be willing to take them in. Not happening.

You can stop all immigration tomorrow and that will help but that's not going to do anything about the millions already there. I actually know moderate French Muslims that are no different than any of us. They may give lip service to religion, but live pretty secular. They drink, go out clubbing, listen to the same music we do, work and live their normal lives and do whatever anyone else does. I hate seeing them all lumped in with these ISIS crazies.

[nek]

(11-13-2015 07:05 PM)thoughtgypsy Wrote:  

Anyone here take counterterrorism/active shooter training? Is there any useful advice we can provide for our French brothers? Only things I can remember:

- If you're staying in a hotel, get a room close to the stairwell or fire exit
- If you're in a hostage situation and being rescued, drop to the floor. Do not try to aid the rescuers by fighting your captors. You may just make it more difficult for the rescue team.

I have actually, but it involves someone who's already armed, but I'll throw it out anyways just in case. They did a mock theater shooting (like the one in Colorado) and every person that did it at first failed and here's why. Instinctive, the bystander with a gun stands up to get his gun unholstered, making himself a target before his weapon is out. The rule was, hit the ground first, get your weapon out, THEN decide what you want to do.

[Blackwell]

Anybody have any news on the outcome of the assault on the concert hall? BBC News saying its over but no word on the success/casualties.

Man I can only pray Europe wakes up now. Now I'll be rolling round London knowing that we could be hit at any moment.

Testing times brothers.

[Dalaran1991]

(11-13-2015 07:05 PM)mikado Wrote:  

(11-13-2015 06:59 PM)Repo Wrote:  

What can France do without a mass deportation? Hell at this point even that wouldn't be enough.

And who exactly would you deport? People with a french national citizenship? How many generations of french must there be in your family to not be deported?

And let's not even talk about the possibilities that the terrorists might well be Muslim French.....

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Not trying to pile on in this delicate moment, but did the French do much to improve security during this past year?

Be safe man, be safe.

Thanks man, I'll be careful.

Nope, not a single change I could see. After a while people lived like normal and all muslims got the "cultural enrichers" status again.

I reckon it's too soon to say anything but I doubt anything will change. Stupid left wing French will just change all facebook profile pic to "Je suis Paris"(I am Paris) or some other retarded stuff, some protests and debate in media, then after two months everything will be back to normal.

[mikado]

The raid on Bataclan is apparently over.

[Thaitanium]

There are reports of dozens of dead people inside the Bataclan

[RaccoonFace]

Refugee camp in Calais has been set on fire: https://mobile.twitter.com/AliM27_/statu...9336866816

[El Chinito loco]

In all seriousness this does make me feel a bit sad for the French. The vast majority of French people i've met abroad have been decent and interesting people to talk with.

The concept of Liberté, égalité, fraternité has been horribly corrupted by the elites there.

Europe in general is in serious trouble.

[samsamsam]

(11-13-2015 07:07 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

I hate seeing them all lumped in with these ISIS crazies.

I do think that they are people who are aware of such events such as this one and said nothing. Not all can be lumped in, but some should be. Also, I bet many harbor such feelings maybe not to the degree that these crazies do and willing to take action but inside where they share it with no one, there is some joy for them in seeing this violence.

Everyone on this board, I can say with 100% certainty, has had some moment where we had some joy deep inside while seeing someone suffer (i.e. that douche got what he deserved, the seahawks glad they lost, etc.).

We all have some darkness within us.

[Repo]

Right I agree that there are plenty of normal muslims hell I have even dated some. I'm just saying that loose immagration policies seem to have contributed to this, and at this point they are so ingrained that this will be a challenge for years to come.

[samsamsam]

(11-13-2015 07:11 PM)RaccoonFace Wrote:  

Refugee camp in Calais has been set on fire: https://mobile.twitter.com/AliM27_/statu...9336866816

I wonder who set it. Angry French people or the freeloaders celebrating. Knowing that whatever they burn will be gladly replaced by the French government.

[Thaitanium]

This sounds absolutely crazy and shocking but:

"According to @AFP, there are over a hundred dead people in Bataclan Concert Hall"

[RaccoonFace]

Breaking: Around 100 killed in the Bataclan incident, according to police sources, according to the AFP.

[TonySandos]

(11-13-2015 07:07 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(11-13-2015 06:59 PM)Repo Wrote:  

What can France do without a mass deportation? Hell at this point even that wouldn't be enough.

I actually know moderate French Muslims that are no different than any of us. They may give lip service to religion, but live pretty secular. They drink, go out clubbing, listen to the same music we do, work and live their normal lives and do whatever anyone else does.

Someone else made the comparison of devout Islam to a form of fascism. This is a reasonable notion. The Iraqis and Kurd that I met in the sand box claimed to be serious Muslims, prayed often, didn't drink, minded some other observances; otherwise they broke some serious ethics like watching porn or smoking.

Extremist Islam is like a shackle on the moderate population; due to the foundational organization of it, it's almost impossible for moderates to differentiate themselves from the extremists without endangering themselves as apostates. Couple that with theocratic law emplaced in many "moderate/secular" Islamic countries, and you'll see that it's much like Big Brother. Devout Muslims don't even need to be present to maintain an Islamic theocracy. The Pillars of Islam and Sharia are so tightly confined that a lawyer may have well written them.

I don't know how this will cause the future to pan out. Hope for the best I guess.

[HighSpeed_LowDrag]

AFP reporting over 100 dead inside the Bataclan alone.

[kaotic]

Live stream just said 100+ people killed inside the concert venue, jesus christ.

[Blackwell]

(11-13-2015 07:12 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  

(11-13-2015 07:07 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

I hate seeing them all lumped in with these ISIS crazies.

I do think that they are people who are aware of such events such as this one and said nothing. Not all can be lumped in, but some should be. Also, I bet many harbor such feelings maybe not to the degree that these crazies do and willing to take action but inside where they share it with no one, there is some joy for them in seeing this violence.

Everyone on this board, I can say with 100% certainty, has had some moment where we had some joy deep inside while seeing someone suffer (i.e. that douche got what he deserved, the seahawks glad they lost, etc.).

We all have some darkness within us.

Agreed. Whilst it is the minority and the many are innocent, peaceful people. You will also have a large number who will never get their hands dirty but who will somewhat support it with their indifference.

[AquilonBE]

AFP reporting around 100 dead in Bataclan, sounds like a massacre and I fear just the beginning.

[WanderingSoul]

(11-13-2015 07:14 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  

(11-13-2015 07:11 PM)RaccoonFace Wrote:  

Refugee camp in Calais has been set on fire: https://mobile.twitter.com/AliM27_/statu...9336866816

I wonder who set it. Angry French people or the freeloaders celebrating. Knowing that whatever they burn will be gladly replaced by the French government.

I wonder what the reaction is in all of these refugee camps right now?

I would love to see a hidden camera going through these camps right now.

[El Chinito loco]

(11-13-2015 07:12 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  

(11-13-2015 07:07 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

I hate seeing them all lumped in with these ISIS crazies.

I do think that they are people who are aware of such events such as this one and said nothing. Not all can be lumped in, but some should be. Also, I bet many harbor such feelings maybe not to the degree that these crazies do and willing to take action but inside where they share it with no one, there is some joy for them in seeing this violence.

I can guarantee there are moderate factions who knew or could have done something about this. I posted about this before but even in relatively "moderate" islamic nations like Indonesia the moderate factions will sit on their hands while extremists do all the dirty work that they tacitly approve of behind the scenes.