[speakeasy]

(11-13-2015 08:06 PM)nek Wrote:  

Between the Russian Plane being bombed, this incident, and the incidents in Beirut and Turkey, I can't figure out who ISIS is and who's backing them anymore.

I think they just hate everyone! They hate the West, they hate Russia, they hate Jews, they hate Assad, they hate secular Muslims, they hate religious Muslims of a different sect. You can't win with these guys.

[Troll King]

(11-13-2015 08:06 PM)Libertas Wrote:  

The original pictures that leaked were faked, but those guys supposedly aren't. I don't know yet.

And yeah, reports came out TODAY that the residents had finally had enough and were ready to take matters into their own hands to repel the invaders.

Today's events would just about qualify as the spark to light that powder keg, if this is all true.

Yeah. It will be interesting to see what comes of all this. I was one of those who thought the WW3 coming to fruition within two years was a bit extreme but here we have this shit show and intelligence officials are scared that this might just be the beginning.

7 different attacks within practically moments of each other and at the latest figures it looks like around at least 200 dead and probably more and at least 100 injured.

This could be only the beginning. Imagine if this starts happening on a semi regular basis or spread to the rest of Europe. Today France, tomorrow Germany.

Shit could go down much faster than any of us realized.

[Eskhander]

The Left started the apologism too early, when there was fresh outrage.

Anyway, the camps at Calais? They are on fire.

Total War approaches.

[Tex Pro]

(11-13-2015 08:13 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(11-13-2015 08:06 PM)nek Wrote:  

Between the Russian Plane being bombed, this incident, and the incidents in Beirut and Turkey, I can't figure out who ISIS is and who's backing them anymore.

I think they just hate everyone! They hate the West, they hate Russia, they hate Jews, they hate Assad, they hate secular Muslims, they hate religious Muslims of a different sect. You can't win with these guys.

My guess is the leadership of ISIS is completely insane.

They really do want an "end of days" war in the Middle East.

[Eskhander]

ISIS believes the "Armies of Rome" will push them to the brink and the the End Times will come.

[nek]

Where's Genghis Kahn when you need him?

[Libertas]

Yeah, that's their goal.

[ElJefe]

They're supported by the Wahhabis of Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Kuwait.

We should really nuke Riyadh. Now.

[Lucky]

(11-13-2015 08:13 PM)Onto Wrote:  

Many years ago I was on a first date in NYC. The conversation about 9/11 came up and she said how terrible it was so many people died and then she showed me her ring she had made with diamonds, rubies, and sapphires (red, white, and blue) in honor of them.

I looked at her in disgust as I thought, "Thousands of innocent people died and her response is to cover herself in jewels."

A prime example of virtue signaling.

[Kabal]

The Greeks had to at least come up with the Trojan Horse to get within Troy's walls.

The Muslims were waved into Europe with the fervor of a coked out Third-Base Coach.

Innocent Europeans lost their lives today thanks to the Multiculturalism ideology.

[Hygiene]

[Troll King]

Yes, they want an end of days in the middle east. Their entire view of Islam is more akin to a death cult. There was a very good Atlantic (I think) article on it that has been posted here on the forum in a few different places and all over the web.

There is also the fact that there are many different sects within ISIS itself and many other groups that are similar to ISIS or have similar aims and are just as bad. The latter are the more 'moderate' groups that have been backed by the US and Obama to try to out Assad.

Most of these 'moderate' groups are basically offshoots of Al-Queda and similar groups. It really has been a clusterfuck of epic proportions in the middle east ever since Obama downsized the NASA program to repurpose it to reach out to the Muslim world.

Really pisses me off as someone who spent a chunk of my childhood living over there.

A big problem is that the different sects of ISIS, at least at the lower levels, are mainly just thugs and gangsters. They aren't really that different from something like MS-13 or the Cartels. They simply use religion as a justification, which works extremely well due to the fact that Islam is meant specifically to be the literal truth of Allah and is meant as a blue print, instead of allegorical tales like much of the bible, on how to live your life and rule your lands.

[Blackwell]

I'm very interested in seeing what Samseau's take on this is going to be.

[Libertas]

(11-13-2015 08:22 PM)Hygiene Wrote:  

Can't stump the Trump.

[The Wire]

(11-13-2015 08:10 PM)Troll King Wrote:  

As far as the comments about what can be done.

Here are a few suggestions.

We know that a number of ""French"" citizens have gone to fight for ISIS and many others have supported them online and even with material aid.

I don't know the laws in France but here in America we have a lot of different laws that could be used against people like that.

First and foremost, if ""French"" citizens had gone and aided and fought for self-proclaimed enemies of France just 70 years ago then they would have been labelled as collaborators at best and either lynched by the resistance or simply lined up against a wall and executed.

Those that provided aid or information against France would have, at best, been beaten and ostracized. There are plenty examples where even the women who aided the Nazi's had their head shaved and were marched out of Europe at best and at worst were beaten to death by the crowd or executed.

Now, I am not saying that precisely, though I wouldn't feel any sympathy for the jihadie's, but surely France must have some laws against treason or sedition.

Round them up, charge them with something like Treason, Sedition, or Providing aid and support to enemies of the state and sentence them to life in prison....or, does France have the death penalty?

That would be a start in my opinion.

The only way there is a chance you stop this is a full scale invasion on the middle east. It would have to be a collation between multiple countries(US, UK, France, Germany, Italy, Israel, Russia..etc). Anything besides that is going to leave extremists groups. You need to completely wipe out, occupy and rebuild the middle east with a puppet state that doesn't fuck around. You need a Saddam Hussein type dictator in these states that we fund and they just clean house.

[rw95]

The frustrating thing is we know that absolutely NOTHING is going to come out of this. NOTHING! I guarantee you within two weeks everyone will be back to believing the best of globalists and multiculturalism.

[samsamsam]

(11-13-2015 08:13 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(11-13-2015 08:06 PM)nek Wrote:  

Between the Russian Plane being bombed, this incident, and the incidents in Beirut and Turkey, I can't figure out who ISIS is and who's backing them anymore.

I think they just hate everyone! They hate the West, they hate Russia, they hate Jews, they hate Assad, they hate secular Muslims, they hate religious Muslims of a different sect. You can't win with these guys.

And the person he sees in the mirror, probably where it all starts from.

[Disco_Volante]

who was the guy on here criticizing samseau, calling him 'paranoid' and whatnot.

[AngloHispanic]

After years of explaining to my wife why Europe needs to deport its muslim population, not because Muslims as individuals are "bad" but because the faith they claim allegiance to is intrinsically and inextricably hostile to Europe, and receiving a very tepid and skeptical response, today she finally capitulated and read the Koran verses which call for the murder of the Kafir.

She was utterly shocked. She started crying and said that it felt "unreal" - her best friend is Muslim and now she doesn't know what to make of her. She thinks that her being Muslim means that she is OK with the violent and bloodthirsty Koranic verses, even if she doesn't do it herself. She feels it makes her guilty by association.

My wife is a devout Christian so is familiar with the deep pull of sincere faith - unlike liberals, she knows that faith matters, and a lot.

The first thing my wife, a very intelligent but not bookish woman, said today after this was "You guys [White Europeans] are in danger". In 10 seconds she was able to draw the obvious conclusion that highly learned academics and politicians don't seem to be able to draw in their entire lifetime.

[Eskhander]

I also think those Middle East borders need to be re-redrawn to be less "diverse".

[Eskhander]

(11-13-2015 08:26 PM)Disco_Volante Wrote:  

who was the guy on here criticizing samseau, calling him 'paranoid' and whatnot.

Just because terrorism happened twice in France this year and almost a third time doesn't prove anything! - What Leftists Actually Say

[Eskhander]

(11-13-2015 07:49 PM)nek Wrote:  

It's times like this that I'm thankful for this forum. None of the mainstream news outlets have comments sections anymore, so the narrative is completely controlled, and even if they did, the comments would be filled with ad hominem attacks vice the much more thought out discussion we get here.

I will say again, Reddit's Europe Subreddit suddenly became based a few months ago. And worldnews is pretty good.

Nowhere near this forum but they aren't so bad. The rest of reddit is cancer though.

[GameNovice]

(11-13-2015 08:27 PM)AngloHispanic Wrote:  

The first thing my wife, a very intelligent but not bookish woman, said today after this was "You guys [White Europeans] are in danger". In 10 seconds she was able to draw the obvious conclusion that highly learned academics and politicians don't seem to be able to draw in their entire lifetime.

This is the problem with women having the right to vote. The 72 trillion daily incidents involving the religion of peace didn't sway her one bit, at least reading the text did ( don't forget, this is a literal guide to life book, not a suggestion or metaphorical storytelling ). For most women even that isn't enough.

[samsamsam]

Per the news media they say refugees don't actually like France because they think it is a hostile environment for them. That Calais is actually a spot for refugees as they move on to another country. Not sure if this is true, just interesting that maybe not that many refugees have really made to France and the attacks are just from the angry ones that have been there for years.

[Libertas]

The two big destinations for the invaders are Germany and Sweden. A not insignificant minority want to go to the UK.

Yes, France is just a transit, but they've been at Calais for months, because the English Channel once again protects Britain from invasion. The only way to get there is to stow on board a ship - difficult, or try to go through the train tunnel - extremely difficult and dangerous and dozens have died already.

All the same, their presence in Calais, Dunkirk, etc. has made life intolerable for the residents, and it is a signal that once more these governments have no legitimate right to exist.

Probably should go in the other thread, but there you go.