[Odin]

I sent the above video to a friend , and he just sent me this response back
"Get the snip mate, One screw and you could be paying half your income (net of your present alimony) until you retire.

The law has been effective for a year now. Happened to my former boss. He earns 20k as a director in a bank, got divorced 10 years ago and  pays 10k to his exwife each month. 

Got his new  girlfriend pregnant, whom he met 8 years later, preggo, now has to pay her 5k as well. He now has 5k a month left from his 20k."

[CactusCat589]

This is criminal. This is actual human rights violation, and is actually worse than merely backward and primitive. Even primitive cultures understand the importance of the male property rights being recognized. This is next level evil shit. Soddom and Gomorrah was more virtuous.

And it came out of nowhere (relatively speaking). Switzerland was coasting under the radar, we haven't heard of Femen or feminism taking hold there, and suddenly men are reduced to slaves if they so much as go on a date with a woman. This was all by appearances a civilized, Western country.

[samsamsam]

(10-18-2015 04:48 PM)Odin Wrote:  

I sent the above video to a friend , and he just sent me this response back
"Get the snip mate, One screw and you could be paying half your income (net of your present alimony) until you retire.

The law has been effective for a year now. Happened to my former boss. He earns 20k as a director in a bank, got divorced 10 years ago and  pays 10k to his exwife each month. 

Got his new  girlfriend pregnant, whom he met 8 years later, preggo, now has to pay her 5k as well. He now has 5k a month left from his 20k."

I sure hope these payments are deducted before determining his taxes or else is even more fucked.

There goes my dream of raw dogging a Swiss chick.

[The Father]

(10-18-2015 07:06 AM)Cheetah Wrote:  

What happens if the girl is richer than the man, will she have to pay alimony to the man?

HAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh stop!! Look, this is very dangerous: I don't know how much liability insurance Roosh carries, and if you repeat that, there's a real chance some one might injure themselves falling down laughing...

[deerhunter]

I only made it 10 seconds into that video. How can a man have that valley girl/NPR accent ? I wanted to bash him in the mouth. The message is probably good, but he needs to stop with the girlish uptalk at the end of words if people are going to listen.

[Saweeep]

I wonder what it would cost to insure yourself against this?

Someone, somewhere would open the book.

[Thrill Jackson]

Pull out game is now a necessity and will be emphasized as a key component to game in Switzerland. Lol

[Excelsior]

Babies are no longer a blessing to be celebrated in nations like Switzerland. The men see them as nuclear missiles pointed at their freedom and financial security, while the young women (prior to their aging and developing baby-rabies) see pregnancies as patriarchal demolitions of their independence and status as modern, progressive, women in the feminist mold. Children are also increasingly being turned into weapons in a gendered tug-of-war for resources.

When a culture has developed in such a way as to turn the very act of procreation into a battle and its products into weapons welcomed by nobody, one cannot expect individuals to have many children. Nations in which such a state of affairs has settled can expect low fertility to be their permanent norm until said culture changes.

[Thoroughbred]

"What measures can we employ to do the most damage in the shortest possible time to the endogenous birthrate?"

I can't see what other rationale has brought this about.

If this is genuine overzealousness and not a thinly veiled exercise in population control, I'm beginning to see the need for a minster of social engineering and racial preservation, and the associated advisors, in ministerial cabinets.

We are entering a phase where birthrates and certain racial hegemonies won't, and aren't, maintaining themselves. A direct administrative role is required to temper the west eating itself.

[redbeard]

(10-18-2015 06:19 PM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

I wonder what it would cost to insure yourself against this?

Someone, somewhere would open the book.

This is a great idea for someone who knows how insurance/law works.

[Days of Broken Arrows]

This is, essentially the government enforcing what used to be called a "shotgun wedding," where the woman's father forced the man to marry his daughter by way of threats.

The difference now is that the government has replaced daddy (no surprise there) and the men get all the financial responsibility of marriage but none of the perks.

This is the legacy of the sexual revolution and women's liberation. Hope this doesn't find its way to American shores courtesy of some misguided "family values" conservative or feminist law professor (it's hard to tell them apart).

[easternwomenrule]

^

Thats one reason why these no civil wars cause men don't stand up and fight the government anymore. They have been emusculated.

[germanico]

What can you get in Switzerland for $3000 a month? Wasnt that same amount what they where proposing as "basic income" there?

Im guessing thats chump change by Swiss standards. They are just transferring the costs of welfare to the fathers of single-mom babies. Or, in other words, not handing state money over to single moms any more. In other context some would call that progress.

In closing: wrap it up. Now blast me for believing that parents should be responsible for their offspring.

[duedue]

(10-18-2015 06:57 PM)Excelsior Wrote:  

Babies are no longer a blessing to be celebrated in nations like Switzerland. The men see them as nuclear missiles pointed at their freedom and financial security, while the young women (prior to their aging and developing baby-rabies) see pregnancies as patriarchal demolitions of their independence and status as modern, progressive, women in the feminist mold. Children are also increasingly being turned into weapons in a gendered tug-of-war for resources.

When a culture has developed in such a way as to turn the very act of procreation into a battle and its products into weapons welcomed by nobody, one cannot expect individuals to have many children. Nations in which such a state of affairs has settled can expect low fertility to be their permanent norm until said culture changes.

or it collapses.

[duedue]

(10-18-2015 04:28 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

Truly shocking. If the facts are as the OP says they are (and I have no reason to doubt him) then those who control the West are now discarding even the fig-leaf appearance of justice, in favor of outright coercion.

This is pure confiscation, nothing more. Instead of looking at the reasons for why men are opting out marriage, and making due adjustments to make marriage more tolerable for men, they are just confiscating and transferring wealth.

Even this won't be enough. Soon, they will just take--by force--the wealth of unmarried men in the form of taxes and withholdings, and call it donations for the public welfare. You will be forced to pay for the frivolities and sins of other people, no matter what you do.

I wish I could move my ass somewhere far away.

[jumprift]

(10-18-2015 04:48 PM)Odin Wrote:  

I sent the above video to a friend , and he just sent me this response back
"Get the snip mate, One screw and you could be paying half your income (net of your present alimony) until you retire.

The law has been effective for a year now. Happened to my former boss. He earns 20k as a director in a bank, got divorced 10 years ago and  pays 10k to his exwife each month. 

Got his new  girlfriend pregnant, whom he met 8 years later, preggo, now has to pay her 5k as well. He now has 5k a month left from his 20k."

(10-18-2015 07:26 PM)redbeard Wrote:  

(10-18-2015 06:19 PM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

I wonder what it would cost to insure yourself against this?

Someone, somewhere would open the book.

This is a great idea for someone who knows how insurance/law works.

The problem is that if someone is willing to sell you insurance, you know right off the bat that the expected value is negative for you. In addition, there's a pretty big moral hazard problem: guys who purchased this insurance, at any price, would be incentivized to shoot it everywhere, and so the company probably wouldn't sell it except at an insane price.

[Captain Gh]

(11-04-2015 06:53 PM)jumprift Wrote:  

(10-18-2015 04:48 PM)Odin Wrote:  

I sent the above video to a friend , and he just sent me this response back
"Get the snip mate, One screw and you could be paying half your income (net of your present alimony) until you retire.

The law has been effective for a year now. Happened to my former boss. He earns 20k as a director in a bank, got divorced 10 years ago and  pays 10k to his exwife each month. 

Got his new  girlfriend pregnant, whom he met 8 years later, preggo, now has to pay her 5k as well. He now has 5k a month left from his 20k."

(10-18-2015 07:26 PM)redbeard Wrote:  

(10-18-2015 06:19 PM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

I wonder what it would cost to insure yourself against this?

Someone, somewhere would open the book.

This is a great idea for someone who knows how insurance/law works.

The problem is that if someone is willing to sell you insurance, you know right off the bat that the expected value is negative for you. In addition, there's a pretty big moral hazard problem: guys who purchased this insurance, at any price, would be incentivized to shoot it everywhere, and so the company probably wouldn't sell it except at an insane price.

I honestly don't know if I'd be able to stay sane if I had to let go 15K out of my 20K a month! I work close to a big mall here in Toronto, and I swear that it seems that it's possible to single out the women shopping with alimony money. They just have this nonchalant attitude about entering in a luxury store while looking like zombies! A bit troubling to see!

[Speculation]

Tacit government condoning of 'oops' pregnancies to increase the birth rate of indigenous citizens.

Think about it. The government wants its citizens to reproduce rather than introducing immigrants to deal with the falling birth rates (so as to stave off economic decline and falling tax revenue to service debt), but they can't in the face of the cost of modern lifestyles. By letting women know that they will be able to afford to raise children no matter how they get pregnant, they can rely on female instinct to help prop things up.

It all falls down if men get access to safe, reversible birth control though. Everyone will lose their minds when that happens.

[puckerman]

Switzerland didn't give women the vote until 1971. It is so sad to watch this once great nation go to hell in such a short time.

[Sonoma]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divorce_law_in_Sweden

I don't see this references anywhere, can the OP provide a link to a text article or law to reference?

[RedPillUK]

^ Maybe try looking up the law in Switzerland

I don't live in Switzerland so if this ever happened to me I would just run.

I don't agree with it though, these laws are awful.

[Abelard Lindsey]

(10-18-2015 04:26 AM)Odin Wrote:  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6MGyJis1oo

Beware of the new rules that are now being enforced in Switzerland. What the Swiss government have done is to state that any unmarried man that has sex with a girl that results in a birth has to pay support for the child and also alimony to the woman. Effectively you could pick up a women who is a cleaner earning a small wage, have a one night stand with her, and she decides to have the child , then if you are a high income earner, you would need to pay 1250 chf ( 1300$) for the child each month, plus Alimony to the woman to bring her up to your status in life.

The Swiss government are also trying to enforce a law that states that even if you are just dating a girl for a year, then this is some type of pseudo marriage, so you will need to pay her Alimony if you break up ...feminism gone crazy

The solution is obvious and simple. Get sperm samples cryopreserved (so you have the option of having kids later if you want) and get a vasectomy. Presumably the national health system will pay for all of this. Then, you date any particular woman for only 3-6 months (the pump n' dump method) at which time you look for a new girlfriend.

Perhaps the Swiss politicians who support these measures still subscribe to Paul Ehrlich's population explosion arguments and are trying to reduce birthrates even further.

[Drec]

(10-18-2015 07:06 AM)Cheetah Wrote:  

What happens if the girl is richer than the man, will she have to pay alimony to the man?

It works like this in USA anybody knows how it works in Switzerland? At least Switzerland seems to have a limit on how high child suport is unlike many other countries where you may have to pay hundreds of thousands $ a month which is ridiculous.

[Drec]

(10-18-2015 08:53 AM)Que enspastic Wrote:  

Vasectomy?

Can fail read about many of such cases on the net. That's why consider even castration now however even this may fail imagine that in the future it may be possible to produce sperm out of stem cells harvested from skin cells http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/...sperm-eggs . Imagine you're rich and a woman obtaining your DNA/cells somehow and producing sperm out of it in some shady invitro clinic/lab without your consent. In Europe she will always get custody in all cases and in USA she will get it more often than not than not despite such underhandy tactics. This is why I consider emmigration to Saudi Arabia/Iran or some other country that doesn't respect international child support warrants. Not sure about Iran but Saudi Arabia in particular has male friendly custody laws. Men there get automatic custody when children are I think 6 years old for boys and 9 or 8 for girls. Living in Europe as a man is becoming simply too dangerous because state controlled by feminists is using institutionalized slavery against us. Perhaps if muslims manage to take over Europe something will change for a better?

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(10-18-2015 04:48 PM)Odin Wrote:  

I sent the above video to a friend , and he just sent me this response back
"Get the snip mate, One screw and you could be paying half your income (net of your present alimony) until you retire.

The law has been effective for a year now. Happened to my former boss. He earns 20k as a director in a bank, got divorced 10 years ago and  pays 10k to his exwife each month. 

Got his new  girlfriend pregnant, whom he met 8 years later, preggo, now has to pay her 5k as well. He now has 5k a month left from his 20k."

Only one creampie away from the poorhouse.

Also it would get really ugly if he lost his job.