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10-11-2015, 08:55 PM
I have a female friend whom I get along with quite well, albeit her conversational topics are largely centred around how she can best get hot dick. She claims she has my best interests a heart and says she is supportive of my transition from fucking random sluts to looking for a long-term relationship. (I guess I'm just maturing a bit). However why does it feel like she wants to sabotage me. I was pursuing a cute high quality girl in my course and then get a message from her saying. "X told me you fucked her friend in her dad's bed... So much for nice guy Mattius".
Is this just affirmation that women never have your best interests at heart. She knew I was pursuing this girl but screwed me over anyways and were meant to be close friends. Are female friends a myth?.....
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10-12-2015, 01:24 AM
OP, did you 2 ever hook up?
Sounds like she prefers you to be single, either because you're a good wingman to her, or because she wants you.
Even if that's not the case, just by being her friend, wingman you are adding value to her. She's well aware you will have less time for her if you'd get a LTR.
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10-12-2015, 07:38 AM
This isn't that complicated.
Male or female: if they are bringing negative value to your life, tell them to fuck off. If she is putting you down and fuckin up prospects, why is she your "friend" again?
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10-12-2015, 08:11 AM
Quote: (10-11-2015 08:55 PM)Mattius Wrote:
I have a female friend whom I get along with quite well, albeit her conversational topics are largely centred around how she can best get hot dick.
Quote: (10-11-2015 08:55 PM)Mattius Wrote:
Is this just affirmation that women never have your best interests at heart. She knew I was pursuing this girl but screwed me over anyways and were meant to be close friends. Are female friends a myth?.....
Tell them too much, they wouldn't understand; tell them what they know, they would yawn.
They have to move up by responding to challenges, not too easy not too hard, until they paused at what they always think is the end of the road for all time instead of a momentary break in an endless upward spiral
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10-12-2015, 08:58 AM
Quote: (10-11-2015 08:55 PM)Mattius Wrote:
"... So much for nice guy Mattius".
Sounds like she's in wuv. Congrats on shedding the ole nice guy skin.
“Until you make the unconscious conscious, it will direct your life and you will call it fate.”
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10-12-2015, 09:07 AM
Quote: (10-12-2015 08:21 AM)Mattius Wrote:
Hahaha. On inspection of that first statement and the proceeding meme you make a very good point.
As for "why am i friends with her?". Is it normal for men to want decent quality looking girls around them all the time even if they're not copulating? Maybe subconciously continued it because her presence adds to my SMV.
Since we all got influenced by the leftist bullshit we have been conditioned to think that being around beautiful females is rewarding even if we don't bang them but the truth is hard...
Subconsciously or Not Women see men who hang around and grant them favors without trying to get in their pants as
Bitch ass chump, They want you to try to fuck them even if refuse to lay down they'll get their pants wet because some "Real man" tried to abuse them. They don't want some
truthful stupid Phaggot who wait the right time to fuck (
i.e on the bed)
If you take the some principles of Game you'll get my point because as a whole
Game is acting like a Man should, don't take my word on this and try it by yourself you'll be thrilled.
Tell them too much, they wouldn't understand; tell them what they know, they would yawn.
They have to move up by responding to challenges, not too easy not too hard, until they paused at what they always think is the end of the road for all time instead of a momentary break in an endless upward spiral
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10-12-2015, 09:49 AM
^^ I don't get it, do you want her? I'm all for banging chics in your social circle, but only if they throw themselves at you.
You should always be flirty with girls, either in our out of your friend group (to go off what blck wrote). So they should always know they can feel comfortable to fuck you if the occasion arises. I'd never overtly pursue a friend chic...unless I was looking for a girlfriend (which is clearly not the case).
Sex isn't nearly as momentous or black and white to women like it is to men. To women, sex is like breathing. It's just a part of life. It took me a while, but I found my post that I feel explains it well.
thread-48403...pid1047402
(or read through some of WestIndianArchie's best posts)
I assume based on your posts you already know much of that, but I don't think it can be overstated.
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10-12-2015, 10:29 AM
OP why exactly do you approach this possible LTR girl very different than your usual hook ups?
I understand we will put in some extra effort etc.
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10-12-2015, 10:47 AM
Kind of.
The biggest mistake men make with having women friends, sometimes called "wingwomen", is becoming a guy women view as their girlfriend. A shoulder to cry on, someone to watch romcoms with, someone who they can talk about all the hot dick they're after from the guy on Tinder with all the tattoos. Usually the guy is willing to play this role for a few reasons...
- He's an effeminate man and prefers the company of women, because that's what he wants to be.
- He thinks this investment of time will get him laid
This doesn't help preselection, because the "wingwoman" doesn't actually have respect for him as a man. "Joe is such a nice guy! I'm sure he'll meet someone!" What that means is "Joe is a total beta bitch who I would never fuck, but I like that (s)he puts up with all my stupid bullshit."
At best, this gets you a token introduction to their fatty friends. There is a huge difference between having a wingwoman and being a beta orbiter.
On the other hand, once your game is strong, women will just like being around you. You're funny, arrogant, and "one of the popular kids." Often it's girls you're not interested in - too tall, too fat, too slutty, too masculine. If they're somewhat pretty, they make excellent wingmen. Women in the room will want to know who this guy is, surrounded by decent looking chicks, looking like he's having a great time.
The key is to be a man, and not become a woman. Don't sit on the phone with them for hours, don't watch romcoms, don't buy them shit, don't offer to do nice things or pick them up from the airport. Treat them just like you would treat a girl that you're banging. Short text messages, sporadic interactions, usually limited to logistics like "yo, im trying to drink tonight. lets go get demolished at pattys pub. bring lauren, shes cute." Make it clear that you're genuinely not sexually interested in them (without being a dick about it). The biggest problem you'll have is your wingwoman will eventually start to fall for you. Do not ever become friends with a female for the intent of banging her - she's either a bang, or a friend. But that's your decision, not hers.
Once you've got wingwoman game, you'll find your bangs go to the next level. It makes cold approaches easy when you're out with a group of cute girls, and it's clear you're not a beta orbiter.
In terms of inner game, you will soon learn how the sausage is made. It's staggering how often these girls fuck random guys of Tinder, Instagram, and Facebook. Many will have over 70 different sex partners in a year. They'll tell you exactly what they're thinking "I like Joe, but he's sort of a pussy. Todd with the tattoos, he knows how to fuck. I wish he weren't going to jail next month. Should I tell Joe we're not in an exclusive relationship? Nah, I don't want to hurt his feelings."
On a final note, women make horrible companions. They're overgrown children looking for cheap entertainment. Most are not capable of, or not interested in, meaningful and deep conversation. They lack any sense of loyalty, and will turn on you in a heartbeat. View these relationships for exactly what they are, and nothing more.
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10-12-2015, 11:37 AM
Something else to note...
Women are selfish. Way way way more selfish and self centered than men.
She'll want to be your wingwoman when it's convenient for her, and she's looking for dick. If you get a girlfriend, you lose any benefit to her. Every time I get into a mini LTR, all of my female wingwomen friends get kind of bitchy about it. Usually in a passive aggressive way -
Her: "I never see you anymore, Hank, I guess you are too busy with Suzy?"
Hank: [ignore]
Part of befriending women is accepting that they don't actually care about you, and you're only there to the extent it benefits them one way or another. They pull a lot of the same shit tests women you're banging pull, and often create exactly the same drama to get your attention. These "friendships" are rife with the same kind of drama sexual relationships are filled with. Jealousy, attention whoring, neediness, creating drama to get attention, unnecessary and uncalled for emotional responses to the dumbest shit, etc.
These problems become even more pronounced when you're one of the few alpha males in her life. She's getting pumped and dumped by the loser with all the tattoos who won't commit, while at the same time Joe Beta has taken her on like 15 dates and still hasn't gotten a kiss on the cheek. Suddenly you seem like a good option, and she's wondering why you're not into her. Is she not good enough for you? Has she hit the wall? Why do you like that one girl, and not her? It sends the hamster wheel into overdrive eventually. Once that wheel gets going, she will start to create the same type of drama your girlfriend would. You, being an alpha, completely ignore it and don't give a shit, which makes the wheel spin even faster.
Quite frankly, it's usually more of a hassle than it's worth keeping women anywhere other than an arm's length distance. At this juncture I have a few casual female friends who I drink with, but it's like twice a month.
Most women, as friends, girlfriends, or fuck buddies, detract more to your life than they add to it.
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10-12-2015, 11:46 AM
^^
Tell them too much, they wouldn't understand; tell them what they know, they would yawn.
They have to move up by responding to challenges, not too easy not too hard, until they paused at what they always think is the end of the road for all time instead of a momentary break in an endless upward spiral
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10-12-2015, 12:23 PM
My rule for "wing women" is this.
Two for one.
You need two wing chicks, NEVER one. And you have to be the only guy.
Think about this...a guy walks into a bar alone. Cool factor- neutral. (depending on his vibe)
A guy walks into a bar with one chick. Cool factor- slightly above neutral.
Two guys walk into a bar together. Cool factor- uncool.
Two guys walk into a bar with two girls. Cool factor- neutral.
Group of guys walk into a bar with one girl. Cool factor- very uncool.
Guy walks into a bar flanked by two hot chicks. Cool factor- Alpha as fuck.
It's better if you've banged them both at some point, and hopefully there will be no jealousy issues when you are inevitably hit on by other women at the venue. You also have to be the leader in this situation. Don't follow behind them, you should always be in front with them following you. That makes a huge difference, trust me.
This is just preselection on steroids. Just by making your entrance you've already removed all doubt that you're not a sexless loser, which will make spitting game that much easier...plus if the chicks you're rolling with are cool, they can help a lot more than some faggot wingman. Half the time, my guy wings try to cut in on my action anyway. Never a problem when you go with two for one.
Of course the drawback is finding girls who are cool enough to do this with, and they have to be hot. You can also use them as bait, or a bartering chip.
"Does PUA say that I just need to get to f-close base first here and some weird chemicals will be released in her brain to make her a better person?"
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10-12-2015, 04:04 PM
Yo if she's sabotaging you she's not a real wingwoman.
Wingwomen help guys get pussy by acting as preselection pawns then fucking off when it's appropriate, that's what they do.
EDIT: I just saw the part where she called you her bitch. I'd lose anyone who said that to me with the quickness fam.