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Quote: (09-07-2018 10:15 AM)questor70 Wrote:  

One thing I've noticed is how furious the leaks have been regarding Episode IX.

It seems that JJ has all but abandoned his mystery-box. And Star Wars secrecy was tight as a drum even before JJ came around. It sure seems like Disney is allowing these leaks in order to try to get fans to come back to the table.

I mean, Mike Zeroh is posting like 3-4 different leaks a DAY now. There's no way this info gets out without Disney allowing it to get out.

I'm calling it:

MIKE ZEROH is a Disney plant/shill.

He comes up first in search results and recommended videos yet his videos are quite crap and clean (devoid of any legitimate Star Wars bashing like the other real youtubers).

Also his logo is a bit too... "pyramid" if you know what I mean.

ZEROH IS A SHILL.

And Star Wars is no longer Star Wars. Let it die.
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I don't think he's a shill. He's a fanboi and he's preaching to Star Wars fans who are still sitting in their pews (restlessly or not). He doesn't appeal to the same crowd who watches your usual Geeks+Gamers and ComicArtistPro Secrets hater/rant channels.
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I had the opportunity to watch both "Soylo" and "Last Jedi" recently. The latter opportunity I should have turned down, but stupidly didn't.

I thought "Soylo" was a decent movie. I would have liked something better for the Han Solo origin story, but I didn't see any reason to actually hate it. It had a very different feel to it than any of the main line films, not quite like the original trilogy but more like it than any of the others. Plus, unlike "Rogue One", it was actually engaging.

People like to say 'hate isn't the opposite of love, indifference is'. "Last Jedi" was so bad that it couldn't even live up to the hate heaped upon it. It's terrible, just as terrible as everyone said, in exactly the details that everyone has described, but even worse it's terrible in a way that made me not even care. I watched it through, hoping that something would happen that would finally inspire the hatred that I knew intellectually it deserved. But nothing ever did. I'm left struggling not for the words to describe how bad I thought the film was, but to find any more passion to do so than what it's taken to write this one paragraph.

It was that bad.
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Quote: (10-08-2018 12:42 AM)Alsos Wrote:  

I had the opportunity to watch both "Soylo" and "Last Jedi" recently. The latter opportunity I should have turned down, but stupidly didn't.

I thought "Soylo" was a decent movie. I would have liked something better for the Han Solo origin story, but I didn't see any reason to actually hate it. It had a very different feel to it than any of the main line films, not quite like the original trilogy but more like it than any of the others. Plus, unlike "Rogue One", it was actually engaging.

People like to say 'hate isn't the opposite of love, indifference is'. "Last Jedi" was so bad that it couldn't even live up to the hate heaped upon it. It's terrible, just as terrible as everyone said, in exactly the details that everyone has described, but even worse it's terrible in a way that made me not even care. I watched it through, hoping that something would happen that would finally inspire the hatred that I knew intellectually it deserved. But nothing ever did. I'm left struggling not for the words to describe how bad I thought the film was, but to find any more passion to do so than what it's taken to write this one paragraph.

It was that bad.


I actually enjoyed Soylo more than the Last Jedi which says something. The Last Jedi was too damn long with plot holes and just bad writing.
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Quote: (10-08-2018 12:42 AM)Alsos Wrote:  

People like to say 'hate isn't the opposite of love, indifference is'. "Last Jedi" was so bad that it couldn't even live up to the hate heaped upon it. It's terrible, just as terrible as everyone said, in exactly the details that everyone has described, but even worse it's terrible in a way that made me not even care. I watched it through, hoping that something would happen that would finally inspire the hatred that I knew intellectually it deserved. But nothing ever did. I'm left struggling not for the words to describe how bad I thought the film was, but to find any more passion to do so than what it's taken to write this one paragraph.

It was that bad.

That was one of the funniest movie reviews I've heard in a long time. I'm stealing it! Often! You've been warned. It will be the new "Pet store" of this forum.
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Quote: (10-08-2018 12:42 AM)Alsos Wrote:  

I had the opportunity to watch both "Soylo" and "Last Jedi" recently. The latter opportunity I should have turned down, but stupidly didn't.

I thought "Soylo" was a decent movie. I would have liked something better for the Han Solo origin story, but I didn't see any reason to actually hate it. It had a very different feel to it than any of the main line films, not quite like the original trilogy but more like it than any of the others. Plus, unlike "Rogue One", it was actually engaging.

People like to say 'hate isn't the opposite of love, indifference is'. "Last Jedi" was so bad that it couldn't even live up to the hate heaped upon it. It's terrible, just as terrible as everyone said, in exactly the details that everyone has described, but even worse it's terrible in a way that made me not even care. I watched it through, hoping that something would happen that would finally inspire the hatred that I knew intellectually it deserved. But nothing ever did. I'm left struggling not for the words to describe how bad I thought the film was, but to find any more passion to do so than what it's taken to write this one paragraph.

It was that bad.

Excellent way of putting it. I just watched Last Jedi last night for the first time on Netflix. I was determined to ignore the naysayers and try to enjoy it. But no.

Actually I didn't mind most of the Luke stuff and still like Kylo whatshisname, but the Holdo/Casino scenes were godawful. 100% passive aggressive faggot SJWism.
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Disney - Marvel just fired one of their most toxic SJW-writers who constantly was engaged in anti-Trump customers insulting. He was doing Star Wars comics and commented constantly on it.

Seems like the tide against the psycho-NPCs is turning a bit.

http://terribleminds.com/ramble/2018/10/...om-marvel/

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And then we announced SHADOW OF VADER juuuuust last weekend, and people were excited, and I thought everything was good. I was not made aware of any issues, and my online self has always been my online self, so. Except, yeah, no. Today I got the call. I’m fired. Because of the negativity and vulgarity that my tweets bring. Seriously, that’s what Mark, the editor said. It was too much politics, too much vulgarity, too much negativity on my part.

Basically, because I was not civil.

Which, of course, is their decision to make. I’m not their boss. (And, turns out, they’re not the boss of me, either. Har har.) (I joke because otherwise, I cry.)

My understanding over this call was that this was a Marvel decision, not an LFL decision, but I can’t really confirm that. The editor said he had made the call. He seemed genuinely upset at my tweets and profanity, so maybe that’s accurate. And again, that’s his right to do so. If they honestly feel that my presence will damage the book, I don’t want that. I want the book to shine, and artists like Juanan Ramirez and Greg Smallwood to do their amazing thing. Artists like that are gods in my mind, so I’m happy to not distract from their literal magic.

But it does set a troubling precedent. One we’ve seen already – James Gunn, Jessica White, and so on – of folks fired because they riled up the wasp’s nest of asterisk-gate. And it seems odd to be mad that I’m mad about politics when – well, look around. Climate change, kids in cages, sexual harassers at the topmost tiers of power, and so on. A call for civility as the PA GOP candidate threatens Tom Wolf with a golf cleat stomping. I dunno, man.

I know it hands Comicsgate a big win. It will embolden them. But they won — I’m out of Marvel and, I guess for now, at least, out of any kind of Star Wars. Do your victory lap, I guess. (Just please leave me out of it.) (All that being said, a lot of wonderful people still work inside those institutions and storyworlds, and I hope you’ll continue to support them and the stories they’re telling.) To conclude: this is really quite chilling. And it breaks my heart. I am very sad, and worried for the country I live in, and the world, and for creative people all around. Courage to you all. I have a dire fear this is going to get a whole lot worse before it gets better.

P.S. Vote in November like your life depends on it. Because it just might.

Yeah - it's you who are one step away from re-creating gulags.

You fucking idiot just insulted your fanbase. Imagine someone from McDonald's board constantly shitting on their customers and telling the fat assholes to stuff their face with a Big Mac.
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Geez, what a soyboy. Not only the profile picture, but the effeminate language.

Cringe-inducing.
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More and more people are using the NPC-SJW meme.

And it fits well with other connections.

The fellow NPC comes to the rescue of the other NPC who was previously installed in a position of power to shape the opinions of the fellow non-NPCs.

Thus whenever one of the NPC gets swept up in the very rare virus-scan, then the others scream and holler in anger.

"REINSTALL FELLOW NPC CHUCK WINDIG! REINSTALL HIM AGAIN IN A POSITION OF POWER AND INFLUENCE!"
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Quote: (10-08-2018 09:38 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  

100% passive aggressive faggot SJWism.

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Quote: (10-13-2018 12:22 PM)Alsos Wrote:  

Geez, what a soyboy. Not only the profile picture, but the effeminate language.

Cringe-inducing.

Can't spell chuck without cuck
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A slight tangent, but whats with Netflix group for 'Movies with Strong Female Leads' , ' Series with Strong Female Leads' ...So Gay

New Star Wars is awful, I'm pretty much out of it, I'll leave it to the kids to grow up on this weak soy version of the original. Im sure Vador will go Trans by 2025

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Quote: (10-13-2018 03:46 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  

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But it does set a troubling precedent. One we’ve seen already – James Gunn, Jessica White, and so on – of folks fired because they riled up the wasp’s nest of asterisk-gate.

This from the guy who is giddy with excitement whenever a conservative or alt-news figure gets fired for "offensive" tweets.
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Quote: (10-14-2018 12:34 AM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  

Quote: (10-13-2018 03:46 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  

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But it does set a troubling precedent. One we’ve seen already – James Gunn, Jessica White, and so on – of folks fired because they riled up the wasp’s nest of asterisk-gate.

This from the guy who is giddy with excitement whenever a conservative or alt-news figure gets fired for "offensive" tweets.

He got essentially fired by insulting 90% of the comic-fanbase and 70%+ of the Star Wars fanbase - all on a constant relentless spew of hatred and hyperbole.

Most other companies would have fired his ass ages ago. Obviously there are others, but it's tougher for them to fire the women, minorities, gays, trannies - the who's who of a freakshow at Marvel. NPCs raise quite a fuss over this, because suddenly their totalitarian reign of terror gets a little dent in the Antifa-bowl.
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IMO, it's just as likely Disney/Marvel fired Wendig because he is a woefully untalented writer and this was the perfect reason to offload him. His Star Wars stuff was shockingly terrible. Even the worst of the old Star Wars stories from Bantam and Del Rey didn't hit the lows of a Wendig book. At best - yes, AT BEST - his work looked like this:

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And at its worst, well...

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I think somebody at Marvel got wind that this guy was getting a comics deal, imagined storyboarding his dialogue, went "fuck that" and started looking for a chance to dump him. The Kavanaugh fiasco came along at just the right time, the Wendigo got maximum triggered, they dropped the headsman's axe on him, and nothing of value was lost.
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< Chuck Wendig compared to the transgender and utterly untalented psychos was hired in comics a long time ago when it was more based on merit. They are now literally taking girls off Tumblr and giving them entire books - with zero other ones before.

Wendig just got the NPC virus until it turned him into a full-blown hostile NPC. His NPC programming was beginning to impact even the NPC programmers, since they don't have the gulags ready for all the independents out there.

And since he was was white male and heterosexual, then he was the easiest to delete among the toxic NPC lot.
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Canopus' examples of Wendig's writing raise some interesting questions.

Is the writing merely bad? Part of me finds it hard to believe that any publisher in the declining book market would choose to print writing of such terrible quality. (But the bigger part of me remembers reading samples of recent Hugo Award-winning novels and short stories, so no, it's not unbelievable that a publisher's standards could be so low.)

Is it that the writing was aimed at a particular demographic? Say, teen boys? Hmm. It's got fart jokes, so maybe, but teen boys who would choose to read a Star Wars novel are probably going to be of above average intelligence and reading at a higher level. This seems marginally higher in the latter regard than the readers issued to us as second-graders (though that was nearly 40 years ago for me, so maybe teens in public schools are reading at this level nowadays).

Are all Star Wars novels written like this? I assume that any such novels have to be authorized by Disney, given the use characters and other Lucas intellectual property now owned by the Mouse. Where is Disney's quality contr-- Oh. Right. Never mind.

The best explanation I can see is Disney thinking that the market for Star Wars-related material is so hot that the quantity of offerings matters more than the quality. In other words, that there such a high demand for Star Wars tie-ins that anything they churn out will sell sell sell regardless of quality. We already know they're that stupid and short-sighted, given what they did with the core properties of the franchise. They ruined the toy market with bad decisions, so it's entirely likely that they're delusional about what the book market is willing to absorb. The sequel trilogy's characters are not popular or memorable as far as I can see, so they would have been smart (given the ill will generated by the movie) to put out high-quality tie-ins to develop/rehabilitate those characters and thereby mollify and woo back the hard-core fans - but if they were that smart, they wouldn't have crapped on said fans in the first place.

I'm actually mostly-serious when I suggest that if Disney wanted to reestablish it's credibility with the franchise, they'd commission a novel set before "Last Jedi", focusing on Rose and her sister, and make it exciting, compelling, and emotionally moving. Now, that would be a climbing-Everest-like stunt that would require some serious talent to pull off, but just imagine how far it would go towards rescuing the franchise if they could succeed (and then follow up with the other half-developed characters from the Disney films).
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Quote: (10-15-2018 08:40 AM)Alsos Wrote:  

Are all Star Wars novels written like this?

For the most part: yes.

The old EU books were, in large degree, pretty shit. The only notable exceptions I ran across were Timothy Zahn's work on the Thrawn trilogy - it's not for nothing that they continue to pull out Grand Admiral Thrawn when the books that spawned him are getting on 20 years old - and Matthew Stover's work on the ROTS novelisation. (Indeed that first big turd of Wendig shit that Canopus posted up is essentially a carbon copy of Stover's style: leaning on second person, present tense, without having an iota of understanding of how Stover (or second person for that matter) actually works.)

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Quote: (10-14-2018 01:07 PM)Canopus Wrote:  

IMO, it's just as likely Disney/Marvel fired Wendig because he is a woefully untalented writer and this was the perfect reason to offload him. His Star Wars stuff was shockingly terrible. Even the worst of the old Star Wars stories from Bantam and Del Rey didn't hit the lows of a Wendig book. At best - yes, AT BEST - his work looked like this:

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And at its worst, well...

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I think somebody at Marvel got wind that this guy was getting a comics deal, imagined storyboarding his dialogue, went "fuck that" and started looking for a chance to dump him. The Kavanaugh fiasco came along at just the right time, the Wendigo got maximum triggered, they dropped the headsman's axe on him, and nothing of value was lost.

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Unbelievable that someone paid an advance for this shit. If this was a print-on-demand book, it wouldn't sell more than five copies.

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Quote: (10-15-2018 08:40 AM)Alsos Wrote:  

The sequel trilogy's characters are not popular or memorable as far as I can see, so they would have been smart (given the ill will generated by the movie) to put out high-quality tie-ins to develop/rehabilitate those characters and thereby mollify and woo back the hard-core fans - but if they were that smart, they wouldn't have crapped on said fans in the first place.


Why would they? They already think they're amazing. And because they're amazing you should think they're amazing. You must mirror them. They don't have characters.

They seem to think casting will just make up for deficiencies in writing and world building. It doesn't feel connected to the original George Lucas 6. It's lacking the opera of a space opera.

The first sign of worry was when Abrams was directing, but I assume no way way would they go with repainted Rebels Vs Empire, and lo and behold they did just that and I kept saying to myself "Perhaps its complicated then it looks, like a cold war stalemate, and they have put aside their differences near the end of the first film, against a massive threat", imagine if Han Solo is a general for the establishment, but his son has taken up arms in a civil war against the establishment. A sjw cause essentially. They just couldn't help but write a film that wasn't about underdogs because we have a pavolvian response to that apparently. But this would have been the natural right story inside the lore, not heeding the Disney balance sheet.


The New Republic should have the shiny high tech, not hiding put out in the arse end of no were underfunded. Aside from a Terminator future war film, the sequel trilogy will stand as one of the great missed opportunities of popular cinema, and they had all the cards, a genuinely iconic trio, a great universe and previous powerful story, all the money in the world. The prequels were a huge risk compared to this, but here you had a direct connection follow up opportunity and what happens next to THE story of these people and universe.
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< Please - if they wanted to have an underdog, then they could have made the newly recreated Galactic Republic the underdog.

Who said that another galaxy - united with Dark Force users over there and 100 times bigger in military could not have attacked them? The Jedi order even with a maxxed out Luke would have met an opponent 1000 times bigger with dark-force users up the bazoo. They could have been thrown into a bigger conflict that puts the old Empire vs Trade Federation war to shame.

But no - they gotta do the fucking same as Episode IV and they gotta have the special snowflake Mary Sue - fuck them.

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And they could have easily stuffed the story full with all the diverse characters they wanted - just not stupid ones they went for in in the end.
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Quote: (10-15-2018 02:23 PM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  

< Please - if they wanted to have an underdog, then they could have made the newly recreated Galactic Republic the underdog.

Who said that another galaxy - united with Dark Force users over there and 100 times bigger in military could not have attacked them? The Jedi order even with a maxxed out Luke would have met an opponent 1000 times bigger with dark-force users up the bazoo. They could have been thrown into a bigger conflict that puts the old Empire vs Trade Federation war to shame.

But no - they gotta do the fucking same as Episode IV and they gotta have the special snowflake Mary Sue - fuck them.

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And they could have easily stuffed the story full with all the diverse characters they wanted - just not stupid ones they went for in in the end.


With redoing Episode IV, fans bitched about the prequels and bullied everyone involved with it and wanted the original trilogy so they got it.

I'm really surprised with the Disney canon, the Sith did not have a backup plan in case Palpatine and Vader died. They just seem to die out after Return of the Jedi.

And if the Force is female according to Kathleen Kennedy, why are there no female dark side users? Or is it just the SJW mind is "dark side = male, light side = female?" The Sith in the Legends Canon managed to rebuild after Return of the Jedi and were diverse in the Legacy storyline.
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Quote: (10-21-2018 09:07 PM)Kurgan Wrote:  

...is it just the SJW mind is "dark side = male, light side = female?"

I think you answered your own question.

SJWs can't do "story" properly because they view character flaws and weaknesses as tantamount to affirming bigoted negative stereotypes.

For Rey to struggle in any way would be akin to how people in the Mad Men era would make jokes about how women can't drive.

They entered into the field of entertainment with an activist agenda. They want to socially-engineer by showing what they construe to be positive role-models in non white-cis-male form. They don't realize that the human condition is inherently imperfect, that we're all constant works-in progress as it were, and that there's a difference between presenting that and obvious bigoted stereotypes.

The same is true with the reverse of the activist agenda. White male characters are rendered as irredeemable sadistic monsters (like in Shape of Water) or as buffoons like Hux.

The worst part of The Last Jedi isn't the continuation of Rey as a Mary Sue. Perfect characters are boring but at least they're still positive and idealistic. The problem was how The Last Jedi betrayed its virtue-signal ideals by marginalizing Finn down to little more than racist steppin-fetchit comic relief as he and Rose Tico go off on a side journey that goes nowhere or the way Holdo is such an obvious stereotype of a radical feminist as to come across as an unintentional self-parody.

I know there are plenty of exceptions, but in my book, the #1 goal of a filmmaker is to get the audience to like the characters. The Last Jedi attempts to get in the way of liking the characters at every turn, whether they're new ones (like Holdo) or old favorites (like Luke).

I know this isn't Star Wars, but this scene is a tour-de-force on how to get the audience to like a character that is as close to perfect as you can get without making it boring. It has more wit and humanity than all of The Last Jedi combined. (At least the two shared John Williams music.)






And again, everything I hear about Episode IX makes it seem like it's going to be nothing but a calvalcade of force-ghosts and old hologram recording fanservice, which feels like a write-off of the idea of any emotional investment with the new characters.
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According to a Reddit thread Rose Tico is actually a war criminal.

She stopped deserters from trying to save themselves. Though the reality is that the volunteer Rebel force was not an army and also it was probably not clear that it was like the mafia - once you join, you are never going out. Seems indeed like the SJW-Rebels behave more like the Bolsheviks. Not only was Rose Tico wearing a Maoist anti-male gaze uniform, she was preventing rebels from fleeing from the voluntary service, she caused countless people to die due to her actions. Well done - comrades of the rebellion. You are about as great fighters for the good side as the communist were who ritually slaughtered the Russian czar and his family, then starved millions in gulags.

Comrade Tico.

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At least that one is more attractive.
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That's hilarious. I'm actually looking forward to the new Star Wars movie for the first time in almost twenty years. It's going to be such an incredible train wreck; I might actually go to watch it in theatres.
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