[Easy_C]

Agree on that point. There's a LOT of compelling directions they could have taken this in, a lot of them centered the whole "we won, now what?" question.

When I was a kid I had some Stackpole novels that touched on that. In his portrayal the New Republic had more than their own share of sleazy politicians, and struggled to effectively transform from a resistance into governing....not helped because the Imperials literally GAVE them Coruscant pre-seeded with a biological weapon precisely in order to exploit that weakness.

There's a lot of potential ways this could have gone other than a re-skin. Plot lines exploring the responsible use of power and its corrupting effects, usurpation of a good cause, the resulting power vacuum from the Emperor's fall, or even just the character's family dynamics all would have been interesting. Hell what made some parts of the Abrams movie passable was that the first parts of the film reflected a level of effort made to show that the setting had been heavily impacted by the war.


Even going more in-depth in the divide between the rebel hardliners and the more "moderates" who just want peace would have been much more interesting than what we got. It would have created a massive challenge to the existing Dark/Light side paradigm that would have allowed the old films to be "deconstructed" in a way that resembles a Socratic critique rather than what we got, which resembles a tantruming toddler pissing on everything.

[Caduceus]

(12-20-2018 04:44 PM)Aurini Wrote:  

That's hilarious. I'm actually looking forward to the new Star Wars movie for the first time in almost twenty years. It's going to be such an incredible train wreck; I might actually go to watch it in theatres.

Don't give these degenerate hollywood fuckers a penny of your money.
Every cent you give them funds more degeneracy.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

FFS, give your $20 to a decent VPN company instead of a bunch of satanic globohomo organizations. There's no excuse for funding these imbeciles.

[CynicalContrarian]

(12-22-2018 07:02 AM)fouad2000 Wrote:  

this is hilarious. i'm really looking forward to the new star Wars movie for the first time in almost 20 years. it's going to be such an wonderful train ruin; i might certainly go to observe it in theatres.

Everyone else can see this post above, yay or nay...?

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(12-20-2018 04:44 PM)Aurini Wrote:  

That's hilarious. I'm actually looking forward to the new Star Wars movie for the first time in almost twenty years. It's going to be such an incredible train wreck; I might actually go to watch it in theatres.

Giving Social Justice Wars money is akin to going to a party and giving that trannie a chance. "I will suck that woman's dick - maybe it's as enlightening as the gender-classes tell you."

I am not going to suck Disney dick. The Farce Awakens was the last time I gave them cash as I went to the cinema with my young nephew.

[Captainstabbin]

This kid is making a SW fan fiction series. It's clearly low budget, yet I'd rather see this series than anything coming out of Disney.

[questor70]

Lucasfilm should hire him, stat.

[Kurgan]

(12-22-2018 07:20 AM)Easy_C Wrote:  

Agree on that point. There's a LOT of compelling directions they could have taken this in, a lot of them centered the whole "we won, now what?" question.

When I was a kid I had some Stackpole novels that touched on that. In his portrayal the New Republic had more than their own share of sleazy politicians, and struggled to effectively transform from a resistance into governing....not helped because the Imperials literally GAVE them Coruscant pre-seeded with a biological weapon precisely in order to exploit that weakness.

There's a lot of potential ways this could have gone other than a re-skin. Plot lines exploring the responsible use of power and its corrupting effects, usurpation of a good cause, the resulting power vacuum from the Emperor's fall, or even just the character's family dynamics all would have been interesting. Hell what made some parts of the Abrams movie passable was that the first parts of the film reflected a level of effort made to show that the setting had been heavily impacted by the war.


Even going more in-depth in the divide between the rebel hardliners and the more "moderates" who just want peace would have been much more interesting than what we got. It would have created a massive challenge to the existing Dark/Light side paradigm that would have allowed the old films to be "deconstructed" in a way that resembles a Socratic critique rather than what we got, which resembles a tantruming toddler pissing on everything.

Honestly, we're paying the price for fans trashing George Lucas and the prequels for being different than the original trilogy. George's writing and directing leaves a lot to be desired.

They got their nostalgia all over again with the sequel trilogy and alienated George from his own creation. This was the same fandom that bullied Jake Lloyd for playing a boy version of Anakin and complained about a black guy playing a Stormtrooper.

Despite what some people think about the Legends Canon, they did go into parts of how flawed the New Republic was, the benefits of the Empire as well as the Jedi and Sith throughout the decades after Return of the Jedi.

Hell, by the Legacy Storyline (137 years after A New Hope), the Empire got back in favor with the galaxy and was more inclusive with having non-human aliens and females in their ranks. Disney would not touch that because it would go against the First Order being "Space Nazis".

With the sequel trilogy, the Empire and Rebellion just rebranded themselves. Like I said, fans are paying a price for trashing George Lucas for the prequels and alienating him from his creation.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

The new Star Wars fans with the toys - hilarious:



   

[Caduceus]

(12-23-2018 02:46 PM)Kurgan Wrote:  

Like I said, fans are paying a price for trashing George Lucas for the prequels and alienating him from his creation.

Don't worry Kurgan, we'll let that genius Lucas back into the franchise so he can make a new trilogy based on the evil Sith Lord Jar Jar Binks.

[Caduceus]

-


Hear it from Lucas' own mouth
Jar Jar is the key to all of this.

[moneyshot]

(12-24-2018 07:28 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  

The new Star Wars fans with the toys - hilarious:

Looks like that artist was influenced a fair amount by Bill Watterson.

[questor70]

(12-23-2018 02:46 PM)Kurgan Wrote:  

fans are paying a price for trashing George Lucas for the prequels and alienating him from his creation.

Stop blaming the victim. The moral of the prequels is that SW wasn't just his creation. The auteur theory of SW springing from his loins alone fostered through Joseph Campbell and the Power of Myth turned out to be... just a myth. Film is a collaborative medium. Gary Kurtz, Lucas' ex-wife, Irvin Kershner, etc... all made SW better than it would have been had it been purely George's creation. Once he was left to his own devices, you wind up with the prequels. Does George have a unique perspective on SW that is lacking in the new films? Yes. But if he had been heavily involved in the new films it's possible that any benefits could have been cancelled out by his own creative limitations by virtue of not having anyone of equal clout to act as a check. Look at how even Spielberg wasn't able to push back on Crystal Skull. Would a fanboi imitator like JJ Abrams be able to check George? Unlikely.

But the fans can't control the org chart. It's not a democracy.

You vote with your wallets. Don't like something? Don't see it, and even more importantly, stop buying the merch (which is, as Spaceballs says, where all the real money is made).

The fish rots from the head down. The very top isn't even Kathleen Kennedy but rather Bob Iger. Bob Iger okayed Kathleen Kenned and he's refused to kick her out despite the fan pushback on The Last Jedi. Since Disney is so successful overall, it's able to absorb losses and under-performance with Star Wars so that it's very difficult for the pushback to hit Disney's wallet to such an extent that they will make a radical change. It's also damaging to Disney's ego to even admit that they need to make changes. So that's why all we've gotten are mild course-corrections in retreating back to JJ for Episode IX, resting the SW feature film schedule and focusing on the two TV shows.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

Agree with Kurgan. Fantasy and SciFi fans can really be a bunch of ungrateful wankers sometimes.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

The prequels despite the many faults did not destroy the Star Wars lore. The toys still sold like crazy and the myths continued despite Lucas' stupid ideas that were not checked by his wife and his team like in the original trilogy.

He just should have ignored the fans and given the next movies to a set of new creators while only adding some input. He did that for example in the Force Unleashed games - the first being good:



George let the creators do their thing and just put in some ideas similar how he did not have much say in the Clone Wars animated series that became ever better with every subsequent season.

Disney did just the SJW-NPC thing revved up by massive feminism and increased desire for indoctrination.

You have to realize that George Lucas was a rarity in Hollywood - he was more or less independent being able to create content without much interference from the globalists. He had many stupid ideas, but his heart was in the right place and many things that the fans criticized were just dumb. The politics of the Prequels was fine, but rubbed some the wrong way. Now you get dumbed-down Idiocracy of a world that feels incredibly small - actually tiny with "rebels" that fit onto the Millennium Falcon and supposedly an Empire that spans to thousands of planets and trillions of lifeforms. This stuff is so insanely stupid that by this measure Jar Jar Binks was a masterful idea of brilliance by George.

George just let the comments of some fans rub him the wrong way - and he took it too personally. Should have given the reigns to some other more brilliant guy, continued owning the franchise and should have continued pumping out a movie once every 2 years until the year 2050. Lucas' family may then be worth 200 bio. $. Instead he was chased off by some comments and let Satanists at Disney rape his creation into oblivion. And it looks as if they are doing their best to tank and destroy the brand as no boy wants to associate himself with the name Star Wars. This is even worse than it "being for the nerds".

[Kurgan]

(12-24-2018 01:30 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

Agree with Kurgan. Fantasy and SciFi fans can really be a bunch of ungrateful wankers sometimes.

It's not just Fantasy and SciFi Fans Eel, fandoms can be very toxic no matter what franchise it is.

[questor70]

I'm telling you all this retroactive Lucas worship is unfounded. If you got him back and he cranked out another movie with stilted dialogue and midichlorians you'd be reminded why the SW franchise started dying in the first place. Lucas alone can't produce quality Star Wars. He's only ever been part of a successful mix. His reputation as an auteur who always knows what's best is simply unfounded.

It's just that now that you guys are upset over the current Disney regime you're fishing around for a savior and so George Lucas' name comes to mind but what it would really take is some new blood, someone sort of like the guy who did the Vader fan-film.

[Aurini]

At this point, Star Wars is such a big name, that no true creative would want to associate with it. Just fanboys like Jar Jar Abrams.

[Syberpunk]

It could have been so great.

[Emancipator]

(12-25-2018 02:20 PM)Aurini Wrote:  

At this point, Star Wars is such a big name, that no true creative would want to associate with it. Just fanboys like Jar Jar Abrams.

The whole series now is mishandled by a "creative" team that consist of majority womyn with Kathleen leading the way.

Star Wars doesn't even need one big main ideas guy other than Lucas, SS pointed it out well, Lucas when selling to Disney even handed them his sequel trilogy idea on a silver platter, have the rest of the nerds that worked at Lucasfilm at the time hash out those ideas on a bigger world scale and execute it. EU and all other forms of media pumped out quality SW content prior to the Disney sale, when Kathleen decided to go full micromanaging on "one of the world's strongest brands" without realizing that it's the lore and fantasy that made the brand one of the world's strongest.

Doesn't help that she brought in a bunch of clueless liberal arts degree creative types to handle the lore, a bunch of idiot MBAs the handle the brand and herself to be "the big picture man", yet cannot get a proper read or pulse on the brand or the fanbase. As most women leaders are, she's also extremely finnicky, with decisions to scrap ideas with promise based on fanbase appeal (Boba Fett, Obi Wan) due to a bonehead decision to go with a Han Solo movie NOBODY wanted. And then because their internal creative team is now useless garbage, she ends up overtly depending and hitching her fortunes on directors who network well, to do too much (not only directing but also requiring them to do the story/creative) allowing for slip ups to happen like with TFA & TLJ. Expect more of the same fuckups with Abrams IX, Rian's trilogy and those GoT showrunners.

At this point Lucasfilm is nothing but a giant liberal social club, probably with a horrible work culture (HR Mr.Lemon?)

But luckily for her they have a bunch of proper nerds handling the Mandalore tv series, which shows promise (and also has Disney's full chequebook, since it's going to be crucial for Disney+ streaming), which if it goes well will unfortunately save her job.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

< Hasn't the Mandalorian TV series been dubbed WoMandalorian, because they intend to create a show filled with Mary Sues and super-wamyn who will kick ass? They will be supar-wamyn who will be able to beat dozens of professional male soldiers who have been trained since birth. I expect nothing else from Disney.

This is their brand.

Man bad.
Woman good.
White man very bad.
Brown man very good always.
Christian man bad.
Muslim man good.

[moneyshot]

(12-26-2018 05:59 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  

< Hasn't the Mandalorian TV series been dubbed WoMandalorian, because they intend to create a show filled with Mary Sues and super-wamyn who will kick ass? They will be supar-wamyn who will be able to beat dozens of professional male soldiers who have been trained since birth. I expect nothing else from Disney.

This is their brand.

Man bad.
Woman good.
White man very bad.
Brown man very good always.
Christian man bad.
Muslim man good.

Disney is watching from Heaven/Hell (your opinion which, for those of you who believe his hatred of (((them))) warranted being Hellbound) and throwing a fucking epic shitfit at this sad state of affairs. God/Satan (whomever is watching the world with him) is calm, but agrees with him in principle 100%.

[infowarrior1]

(12-26-2018 05:59 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  

< Hasn't the Mandalorian TV series been dubbed WoMandalorian, because they intend to create a show filled with Mary Sues and super-wamyn who will kick ass? They will be supar-wamyn who will be able to beat dozens of professional male soldiers who have been trained since birth. I expect nothing else from Disney.

This is their brand.

Man bad.
Woman good.
White man very bad.
Brown man very good always.
Christian man bad.
Muslim man good.

[Thersites]

(12-25-2018 10:28 AM)Kurgan Wrote:  

(12-24-2018 01:30 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

Agree with Kurgan. Fantasy and SciFi fans can really be a bunch of ungrateful wankers sometimes.

It's not just Fantasy and SciFi Fans Eel, fandoms can be very toxic no matter what franchise it is.

(12-24-2018 01:30 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

Agree with Kurgan. Fantasy and SciFi fans can really be a bunch of ungrateful wankers sometimes.

Its getting worse at this moment of time do to the increase narcissism prevalent in culture. Add in the combination increase mental instability of a subsection population, identity political, and projection of one's identity onto fictional characters its clusterfuck to be in fandoms in this day and age. Fans are believing their headcannons are the true and proper way for the show should follow. Prime example is Voltron reboot, a cartoon series, had fandoms boycott advertisers for the creators no pandering to LBQT crowd and favorite character paring not being written into the show. Good story be damn, give my representation and pander to my thoughts are en vogue.

[Syberpunk]

A Christmas present from Mauler, released yesterday.
Emphasis on reviewers:

"We can love a piece of media and yet be critical of it"
My response "Well if I'm critical of a piece of media, it usually mean I don't love or like it and its NOT good mostly."

Is this the Hegelian Dialectic?

I wish the word fan was actually used in its real meaning, fanatic and when has that ever been a good thing? It has no negative connotations anymore.
I either like something or I don't, I am not a "fanatic".