[The Breeze]

(05-03-2017 10:10 AM)Travesty Wrote:  

So the answer is no I am not going to make dinner, now I am highly considering faking it though.

I HIGHLY suggest you add this to your repertoire.

No time for it in this case... but Travesty, dude.. look how much you
have invested in this search. Nearly a Thousand posts in this thread alone.
Just do it man. Trust me.

[TravelerKai]

(05-03-2017 10:10 AM)Travesty Wrote:  

^ Not sure. Like I said I have barely any experience with EE girls. All these girls it feels like you are talking to a robot and at some point a flag with confetti pops out saying "You Win & Get Laid" and it feels like I'll never know exactly when that is.

I hate cooking, have a tiny kitchen, have no patience to go find good ingredients and make a decent meal.

So I could buy sandwhiches or other pre-made dishes from a food place down on the street and call it my own. If the girl calls me out I can say yeah, you got me I was tired and just picked this stuff up.

So the answer is no I am not going to make dinner, now I am highly considering faking it though.

It feels like the guys above are advocating putting in a bigger show of effort and being the pushy gentleman. From their advice it feels like inviting her straight over doesn't make it her spontaneous decision. Meaning going out and making a small show of it & being physically aggressive.

Wouldn't it come off as feminine to offer to cook a girl a meal in EE? Serbia especially has the macho vibe. I could ask her to cook dinner, she doesn't seem like the type that would do that though.

Don't cook her shit. She will friendzone you so fast your head would spin. Foreign women think western men are romantic pussies and cooking her something proves that. Keep the romantic part, drop the pussy stuff.

Like I posted before, actual wife quality candidates would cook if you bought the groceries from the market nearby.

You might have messed up with your frame on this one and might need to next her. You gave her the wrong impression seems like. That is not easy to fix if you have no relationship yet.

[rudebwoy]

^Buying her another dinner on date #3 is a waste of money and time. She knows the score.

Open up a can of chef-Boyardee ravioli, invite her over and call it a day.

She sounds like a party girl, not the sort of girl you are going to wife.

[Travesty]

Belgrade, Serbia vs. Cluj & Timisoara, Romania

This comparison is not fair off the bat in many way since Belgrade is a tier 1 city with tier 1 attitudes. It would of course have been nice to visit Bucharest and Novi Sad to get a well rounded comparison of tier 1 vs. tier 1 and tier 2 vs. tier 2. C'est la vie. I did not have the energy to even do a day trip to Novi Sad, this entire trip was a personal exercise in perseverance for me. I went to Belgrade because my friend I am with has interests here so this was sort of his half of the trip, mine was picking the Romanian tier 2 cities.

Women

Belgrade

If you want to have an All-American athlete child have babies with a well-built Serbian girl. Serbians have a wide range of looks from more mediterranean (even some case Colombian) to very fair skin. The builds also range a bit and there are some tall skinny gazelles although as I saw that is not the norm.

The norm is like taking well-built Midwestern girls from Iowa & Nebraska, throwing on Slavic/Mediterranean faces, and having maybe 10-20% be slightly to moderately obese, 80% being a healthy weight.

By well-built I mean shapely strong legs, hips, wider asses, bigger tits, and hour glass figures. They don't have cankles or soda can bodies like guys report from Denmark and other such places.

The tits were quite noticeable coming from Romania where a C+ or D rack was very hard to ever see. If you are a tits man Serbia seems pretty great. The asses seem a bit wide with less shelf pushing out. I wouldn't call their asses plump, I would call them full.

The women and people in general seem much more Russian in mindset than European. They are often short and to point without running off into details and imagery. Maybe if I was fluent in their language I could hear them fully express themselves, in English only though many other foreigners have been able to express themselves in a much more colorful manner.

From Serbian girls I talked to I never got a sweetness feeling off the bat ever. After talking to them a bit and cracking the ice it would peak out though only on low doses only to revert back to the serious straight forward mentality. It seemed from all my dealings with Belgrade people 20-35 years old, many wanted to leave the country or were at least thinking about it, and many thought no other city in Serbia was worth living in or really even visiting except for Novi Sad. I think this mentality is a strange one I haven't experienced in any other country I have visited, it definitely doesn't set the tone for a joyful, colorful, day to day attitude.

People drink a lot in Belgrade and go out late. Many girls had no problem meeting me at 10pm which they often suggested on a weeknight. It is like a small NYC with much more feminine girls, although the girls still have somewhat of a big city attitude. My friend plans to go to Novi Sad for a day and report back to me the differences which isn't enough time, it is something though.

Serbian girls definitely have a sort of shield up until they trust you. I think after 10 days or so I started to put the pieces together of dealing with Serbian girls. My final conclusion is even though I am starting to understand the game of how to deal with them, I don't enjoy playing the game they offer when there are many others in the world that suit me better. I find their cut off remarks, and sometimes pushy opinions about matters large and small to be very masculine. The culture is very masculine and so are others in the world. In this culture though it really feels like the masculine attitude trickles down to the women's attitudes as well whereas in other cultures women become more feminine in contrast.

I did not get the best sample as towards the end of my trip I was having less energy, more pain, and I am sure my fatigue from dealing with Serb mentality started wearing down my game. I went on 7 meets with 5 different girls. One from street game, rest from CouchSurfing meets (there are lots of hot girls in Belgrade willing to meet on CS). This is of course a terrible sample for my purposes. I did the best triage with the energy I had to spare.

If I had the energy I'd probably have been in Novi Sad half the days or more and at least in Belgrade I would have found a laid back upper middle class neighborhood and day gamed my ass off, go to social night events like dances, and to church. Had no energy for that.

That said I think I got to know the Serbian girl outlook well enough and I think I could imagine what dates would go like with the better girls it has to offer, at least enough to compare to Romanian girls and other nationalities I have dealt with.

One thing I noticed in Belgrade was a lack of boyfriend worship and a huge smart phone culture (not as bad as U.S., getting bad though). In Romania I saw girls constantly touching and looking admiringly at their boyfriends, and rarely ever have their cell phones out in public when with friends. Also men tended to date pretty even in Belgrade, not up. In fact I saw several tall, jacked, square jawed bouncer types that dated shorter obese girls.

My value on the streets, or in venues was not nearly has high to women as Romania. I am taller than the vast majority of Serbs, have a larger build, in better shape. Many girls said I could pass as Serbian. I did feel being from America scored me brownie points with all the girls, nothing amazing though. I get much more attention in the U.S. by far.

There were many very attractive 25-35 year olds in Belgrade. I also saw some guys dating a bit younger 5-10 years sometimes which was pleasing compared to Romania. My friend in Belgrade hit on a woman in her early thirties who told him to hit on younger girls (he looks early 30s).

Women's fashion here is at America levels or sometimes worse when comparing to NYC or SoCal. Lots of jeans and converse shoes. Seems only the really hot ones have good style the rest mail it in. Their bodies are very nice though so that helps.

English levels are much better here and girls & people in general seem to smoke much less than Romania.


Cluj & Timisoara

I have already gone over my experiences there in previous posts so this will be short. To contrast Belgrade women, Romanian girls just seem sweeter, more feminine, soft spoken, caring. I talked to a few waitresses in Romania where they had big doe eyes and were just oozing femininity. I felt like once I started a nice conversation with a Romanian girl I didn't want to leave. Intangibles. Their accent is also very sexy, the Serbian one I don't find attractive and feel it is even more masculine than the German accent (which is awful). Romanian girls also didn't seem like they wanted to leave Romania badly and did not have some sort of chip on their shoulders. Their energy was just brighter & more pleasing to me. Romanian girls always seemed to smile at and touch their boyfriends like they didn't want to be anywhere else. Watching Serbian girls interact with their boyfriends the posture often didn't look much different than when I was out with a Serbian girl. It was like a conversation tennis match with some disinterested looks thrown in from the girl and I would see girlfriends on their phones while with their boyfriend, although not nearly as bad as America.

Looks

Belgrade girls have a much wider evenly distributed bell curve in looks. In Belgrade you will see more mid 7's & low 8's and also many more butterface high 5's low 6's and a small, yet noticeable smattering of slight to moderately obese girls. The mid 6 to mid 7 range of younger girls seemed more rare whereas in Romania this was all over the place whilst fat girls, butterfaces, and super hot girls were harder to find. Bucharest I am going to assume probably has a bell curve closer to Belgrade and my friend will tell me what's up with Novi Sad.

Belgrade girls & guessing Serb girls in general have much less homogenous look. You get most solidly built chicks that a healthy thin weight with either more Slavic, Mediterraenan, or mixed looks from raven black hair olive skin, to pale red heads. Throw in some gazelles and some shorter bustier chicks.

Romanian girls are much more homogenous. Although there are a few redheads and blondes, the norm is a dark brunette 5'2'-5'6", ballerina body, with a plump (bubble shelf) medium ass and B cup tits. A tight bellcurve with many mid 6's to mid 7's.


Competition

Belgrade men are indeed taller, more well-built, and have more masculine posture, ways of talking and so on. Their faces though are not as handsome as Romanian men in general and their fashion is very average and sometimes bad, especially compared to Romanian men. Like I said before I am taller, more well-built, in better shape, & much better fashion than most Serb men and I did get looks from some hot girls. In fact the hotter girls were the ones more likely to give me looks. Though nowhere even close to the open looks I got in Cluj.

Romanian guys have better fashion, are more handsome & well groomed. They come off mostly as betaish well dressed guys.

Neither I saw approach much at all. Romanians maybe a touch more due to the more social nature of the venues. They stay in their social circles. They don't strike me as smooth talkers and aggressive operators. Though I will say in a packed Serbian bar with large built guys everywhere if you are a smaller stature dude you will probably feel visual competition. And in Romania if you are a guy that doesn't dress well or isn't handsome you will feel some visual competition.

Both are a mirage though if you approach with game because you will be one of the extreme few.

Nightlife

It was not summer yet in Belgrade, however basing the whole nightlife off one season I don't think is a really great way to look at a city long term. In nightlife Belgrade had many older 25+ women out. Also many more sausagefests. Things were pretty dead on Thursdays and closed early.

Cluj had younger girls out & better ratios. Also more events & venues that made it easier to strike up conversation with strangers throughout the week. I was never in Timisoara on a weekend, not sure, it's nightlife seemed more laid back and very small scale.

Daygame

Plenty of public transit, people walking the streets in both. Targets everywhere, both places A+ for opportunities. I think Belgrade girls seemed much more open to talking to a stranger in English on the streets (except Knez Mikhalia), whereas in Romania I feel like I would need to speak some Romanian to really see equal benefits.

Conclusion

Even though I am sure if I had months in Belgrade I could have a rotation of 7+ girls I think I connect with Romanian girls much more and I think a Romanian girl would open her heart more easily it seems. My personality just does not gel with the way Serbian girls like things to go. I can't say if they are good LTR material because I don't think even spending multiple times with a couple girls how they really felt about anything. Even with good English I felt like I connected to Colombianas better with their terrible English and my terrible Spanish. Or Viet girls. Just using Google translate and eye contact.

Serbia is definitely off the list for me and with that maybe UA and Russia if they are at all similar...

Now either as a more dry, straight forward, serious guy... or a player that likes a wide range of looks with girls that have solid bodies and big tits.... Serbia may be absolute heaven.

My gut tells me to keep Romania on the back burner and keep going. I'd really like to spend 3 or 4 months in Romania, check out Iasi, Brasov, Bucharest... then pick one city learn some Romanian and see what happens. They really hit my buttons looks and personality wise, and like I said in Cluj I felt like a Super Sayen Romanian being taller and bigger than everyone with what I was told were good Italian looks that Romanian girls liked.

Overall I think Vietnamese and Mexican women overall are more family oriented, loyal, and nurturing than anywhere else I have gone.

But damn, those sultry Romanian ballerinas man... I wanted to make mass babies.

[Dantes]

Travesty,

Excellent comparison. I have similar impressions of Romania and I haven't been to Siberia yet. I was in Romania only a short time, but had the impression that girls generally, are solid long-term relationship types. I am giving consideration to returning this summer.

[Travesty]

^ Yes, a good amount of them give off that sweetness that if they kept it you'd have no problem sweating and building a house for them with your bare hands. Vietnamese girls also have this and Mexican girls to some extent (though many can have extremely nasty attitudes).

[Travesty]

One last note, my Mexican friend had one good date in Romania from online though a much harder time getting decent conversations going in day game that lead to dates.

In Belgrade, he is much more accepted as there are local people with dark Ottoman looks so he isn't considered a gypsy or a Turk. Belgrade is much more open season for the browner bros it seems. He hasn't gotten a date yet from day game here, two numbers though. In Romania he would get complete look aways as he passed by girls and many many blow offs.

On the flip side as maybe 1 of 3 Mexicans in all of Belgrade at this very second... he really gets zero exotic bonus points from looks, you do get some brownie points when mentioning you are from the U.S..

[Brosemite]

(05-06-2017 06:15 AM)Travesty Wrote:  

Serbian girls definitely have a sort of shield up until they trust you. I think after 10 days or so I started to put the pieces together of dealing with Serbian girls. My final conclusion is even though I am starting to understand the game of how to deal with them, I don't enjoy playing the game they offer when there are many others in the world that suit me better. I find their cut off remarks, and sometimes pushy opinions about matters large and small to be very masculine. The culture is very masculine and so are others in the world. In this culture though it really feels like the masculine attitude trickles down to the women's attitudes as well whereas in other cultures women become more feminine in contrast.

That would perfectly describe how I feel about Serbian women during my visit there. Aesthetically, it's hard to beat the mixture of Slavic and Mediterranean genes as the women are indeed beautiful. I just didn't really gel with the type of games they play though. Also add to the fact that I got looks from maybe one good looking girl there whereas my IOIs were much heavier in places like Poland or Russia.

For myself at least, Slavic girls north of the Balkans can simultaneously channel their conviction in a more pleasant manner while maintaining their feminine stature. Everything seems to be more centered around a breed of hot tempers & Balkan power which I find amusing though could not gel with long-term. I still found the people very friendly & welcoming.

Speaking of "trust," I coincidentally met some ballers in Serbia who make USD, come from great families, and can have any chick they want in Belgrade during my visit. Still keep in touch with them & can confirm that Serbia doesn't really possess a ONS culture either. Even the most well-connected desirable guys with the hottest talent needed to pursue them over time to build up that trust.

Very well done again. Look forward to the next set of observations.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

I think one of the absolute top-examples of how you can strike abroad is something I recently saw in the TV show 90 Day Fiance:

And I will tell you why this is super-rare and almost ideal:

He is a believing Mormon who in his late 20s was still a virgin (out of belief). Though he is not overly well-off, exuded extreme lower Beta state and insecurity.

He traveled to a small Mormon community in the middle of nowhere of Brazil and met this super-cute 19yo girl.

The reason why this is such a jackpot is not only her looks, she was still a virgin, she was super-cute, she grew up relatively poor but not destitute (more or less normal in that remote Brazilian village). Guys should understand something about poverty - girls who grow up conventionally poor in Russia, Ukraine, Thailand in remote areas are not to be viewed with the endemic poverty of terrible mental state in the West.

So she is cute, girlish, of his own Christian faith, super-sexy and totally into him.

By the way - they are still married after this time and we know that virgins get imprinted the best with long-term relationship thinking (of course if they are not some kind of pent-up virgins who are just controlled by strict parents, because that does not work). She is also more introverted as a person, bookish, nerdish, so is happy spending time alone with her husband - who by the way became more masculine after his virginal days on the show (you can see on their Instagram). She grew a bit fatter just as he did in the last 3 years under the US diet, but they seem to be happy.



https://www.instagram.com/kirlyam_/?hl=de

Either way - that is what I call a wife-hunting jackpot. Usually men need to be far more discerning, best have solid frame, Game - the usual stuff that is needed for a healthy relationship. Not everyone can find super-cute, angelic, innocent 18 year old virgin.

[Travesty]

One more data point. One of my best friends in America has a Belgrade local friend that used to be in the U.S.. I met him, he has a Spanish girlfriend in Spain and is trying to marry her and move there.

I told him about my experiences out with girls here. He said the girls here are hot, difficult, emotional, crazy, and play games. He says the local guys all know this and it is just expected & part of the culture.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Funny case of mine - a Polish friend met his wife in the US and hunted her from there. He pulled her over to Poland and they are happy living here.

Western reverse wife-hunting so to say - she is smart, family-oriented, tries to be a good wife and highly spiritual.

[Slam]

(05-06-2017 02:04 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

He traveled to a small Mormon community in the middle of nowhere of Brazil and met this super-cute 19yo girl.
...
Either way - that is what I call a wife-hunting jackpot.

Where exactly in Brazil did he travel to? Do you remember?

I'd take this type of girl any day. It gives me a sense of hope, thanks for posting.

[Svoboda]

(05-06-2017 06:47 PM)Slam Wrote:  

(05-06-2017 02:04 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

He traveled to a small Mormon community in the middle of nowhere of Brazil and met this super-cute 19yo girl.
...
Either way - that is what I call a wife-hunting jackpot.

Where exactly in Brazil did he travel to? Do you remember?

I'd take this type of girl any day. It gives me a sense of hope, thanks for posting.

I posted about that: 90 days chick from Brazil

Quote:

A 9? IMHO that's very generous. However if this kind of girl is what you're looking for I would avise you to visit the following states in Brazil: Goias, Parana, Minas Gerais, and Sao Paulo (the more interior and further from SP city the better). Lot's of girls from the same background as that girl.
Also:
Sanata Catarina and Rio Grande do Sul if you prefer light skinned and blondes.
Tocantins and Bahia if you prefer bronze/tanned and caramel.
Stay away from the big cities and coast.

If I remember correctly that girl had never been to a supermarket, where she was from looked like they have either no stores or not larger than a 7-11. For her moving to SP or Rio might have been as big of a step (apart from the language) as moving to Utah (assuming the guy was from there).

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(05-06-2017 06:47 PM)Slam Wrote:  

(05-06-2017 02:04 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

He traveled to a small Mormon community in the middle of nowhere of Brazil and met this super-cute 19yo girl.
...
Either way - that is what I call a wife-hunting jackpot.

Where exactly in Brazil did he travel to? Do you remember?

I'd take this type of girl any day. It gives me a sense of hope, thanks for posting.

They mention it on the show.
Generally the show is interesting to watch since you can see the cases where the guys went right even while being mostly without Red Pill understanding, Game or frame. So far the shy virginal girls were the best mothers - color me surprised.

But there were other good cases where the sexual market value of both did not deviate too much. With Game and Frame you can usually even get a better shot, since you are able to deal with bigger hamsters and higher market value.

[Putin Closes]

(05-06-2017 02:04 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

I think one of the absolute top-examples of how you can strike abroad is something I recently saw in the TV show 90 Day Fiance:

And I will tell you why this is super-rare and almost ideal:

He is a believing Mormon who in his late 20s was still a virgin (out of belief). Though he is not overly well-off, exuded extreme lower Beta state and insecurity.

He traveled to a small Mormon community in the middle of nowhere of Brazil and met this super-cute 19yo girl.

The reason why this is such a jackpot is not only her looks, she was still a virgin, she was super-cute, she grew up relatively poor but not destitute (more or less normal in that remote Brazilian village). Guys should understand something about poverty - girls who grow up conventionally poor in Russia, Ukraine, Thailand in remote areas are not to be viewed with the endemic poverty of terrible mental state in the West.

So she is cute, girlish, of his own Christian faith, super-sexy and totally into him.

By the way - they are still married after this time and we know that virgins get imprinted the best with long-term relationship thinking (of course if they are not some kind of pent-up virgins who are just controlled by strict parents, because that does not work). She is also more introverted as a person, bookish, nerdish, so is happy spending time alone with her husband - who by the way became more masculine after his virginal days on the show (you can see on their Instagram). She grew a bit fatter just as he did in the last 3 years under the US diet, but they seem to be happy.



https://www.instagram.com/kirlyam_/?hl=de

Either way - that is what I call a wife-hunting jackpot. Usually men need to be far more discerning, best have solid frame, Game - the usual stuff that is needed for a healthy relationship. Not everyone can find super-cute, angelic, innocent 18 year old virgin.

Not really a jackpot when the girl morphed into a fattie WNB. Well a small win, as this guy at least won't be divorce raped.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(05-07-2017 01:44 PM)Putin Closes Wrote:  

Not really a jackpot when the girl morphed into a fattie WNB. Well a small win, as this guy at least won't be divorce raped.

It is a total win - she was fatter already, but slimmed down again. Beta does as Beta does and my take is that he actually wants her to be slightly chubby so he has less of a need to feel anxious about other men getting her attention.

If she had met an Alpha, then he would send her to a solid fitness regimen and she would be hotter than ever before. In a way a man keeps a woman, but for him it is better if she is not an attention whore who posts her yoga pics online to get compliments.

[Slam]

(05-07-2017 02:03 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

If she had met an Alpha, then he would send her to a solid fitness regimen and she would be hotter than ever before. In a way a man keeps a woman, but for him it is better if she is not an attention whore who posts her yoga pics online to get compliments.

This is a good point, a man can change a girl's health habits.

But honestly when I have surveyed guys about their abilities to actually get a girl to lose weight, the results are FAR from consistent... even with guys I would consider 'alpha'.

Do you personally have a high success rate with getting girls to lose weight? If so, I'd love to hear what has worked.

[Suits]

(05-03-2017 10:10 AM)Travesty Wrote:  

^ Not sure. Like I said I have barely any experience with EE girls. All these girls it feels like you are talking to a robot and at some point a flag with confetti pops out saying "You Win & Get Laid" and it feels like I'll never know exactly when that is.

I hate cooking, have a tiny kitchen, have no patience to go find good ingredients and make a decent meal.

So I could buy sandwhiches or other pre-made dishes from a food place down on the street and call it my own. If the girl calls me out I can say yeah, you got me I was tired and just picked this stuff up.

So the answer is no I am not going to make dinner, now I am highly considering faking it though.

It feels like the guys above are advocating putting in a bigger show of effort and being the pushy gentleman. From their advice it feels like inviting her straight over doesn't make it her spontaneous decision. Meaning going out and making a small show of it & being physically aggressive.

Wouldn't it come off as feminine to offer to cook a girl a meal in EE? Serbia especially has the macho vibe. I could ask her to cook dinner, she doesn't seem like the type that would do that though.

I now understand why quality microbrews are too classy for your tastes.

[Travesty]

Mashing the report button angrily as I type this. Rockets away gayboy.

[Travesty]

Interested in everyone's knowledge on comparisons of LTR caliber EE girls I have experience with vs. ones I want to visit and experience in the future. Any combination of the following nationalities and how they compare would be great, similarities & differences.

There is already a ton of info on Ukrainian vs. Russian vs. Belarussian easily found on the forum so it isn't really needed.



I have just compared Romanian vs. Serbian. Ones I am most interested in:

1. Serbian vs. Russian / Ukrainian / Belarussian

2. Serbian vs. Estonian

3. Romanian vs. Russian / Ukrainian / Belarussian

4. Romanian vs. Estonian

5. Estonian vs Russian / Ukrainian / Belarussian



Thanks for the insight.

[Nowak]

(05-06-2017 02:05 PM)Travesty Wrote:  

One more data point. One of my best friends in America has a Belgrade local friend that used to be in the U.S.. I met him, he has a Spanish girlfriend in Spain and is trying to marry her and move there.

I told him about my experiences out with girls here. He said the girls here are hot, difficult, emotional, crazy, and play games. He says the local guys all know this and it is just expected & part of the culture.

I met with a friend yesterday who said she thought with the younger generation (22 and younger) these things are getting even worse. Not a good sign for the coming years in Serbia...

[Travesty]

Novi Sad, Serbia

Friend just reported on phone call during one day (Saturday) visit before leaving. His impression after being in Belgrade for two and half weeks is that Novi Sad is somewhat like Timisoara in nicer open architecture, same sort of size as Cluj, same cafe culture as usual.

Not many young women though, mostly families. He saw many more girls in Belgrade. Both Timisoara & Cluj due to the universities had lots of girls running around or waiting at bus stops etc... he checked out the university area in Novi Sad not much around, it was Saturday, still though in Cluj or Belgrade much more young chicks out and about on a Saturday.

He said it seems like a nice place to settle down with family. I joked if he found his Serbian dream girl in Belgrade he would take her there and have lots of babies. Too bad the movie would end with "This is not based on a true story." He still hasn't had luck in Belgrade. He said he thinks the U.S. would be easier to get an attractive girl, he would need more time in Belgrade perhaps a full month or two. Again he is a slightly overweight light teddy bear average height Mexican, so physically he is climbing an uphill battle in Serbia.

Other random thoughts:

I forgot about Belarus. If I learned some Russian I would definitely go to Belarus first from what I have read. Also Russia from my research just seems expensive in comparison. If the girls are more conservative in Belarus & it is helps save money I am not sure there is a reason to go to Russia ever. More interesting personalities? More cultured? More fun?

Some guy awhile back recommended Georgia. After looking at pictures of the girls I really just don't think it is worth it for me. I am not into Mediterrnean or Middle Eastern looks or mixes very much, and Caucus girls seem to be on that spectrum. So far if I was dying for a girl in that general area of the world I'd just go back to Romania, I enjoy their looks that much more.

[Travesty]

Anyone have thoughts on Uruguay as far as LTRs? It is an interesting option.

I don't think I would like Argentinean girls mostly I am not into their looks and what I have read about them here and seen in person I don't think they're my type at all. I am wondering how close Uruguayan girls are in looks and attitudes. Sounds like they are the nicer less good looking version of Argentine girls which isn't appealing to me on the surface... still wondering how nice they really are though, guessing a few steps below Brazilian girls still.

[Dirtyblueshirt]

(05-07-2017 02:03 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(05-07-2017 01:44 PM)Putin Closes Wrote:  

Not really a jackpot when the girl morphed into a fattie WNB. Well a small win, as this guy at least won't be divorce raped.

It is a total win - she was fatter already, but slimmed down again. Beta does as Beta does and my take is that he actually wants her to be slightly chubby so he has less of a need to feel anxious about other men getting her attention.

If she had met an Alpha, then he would send her to a solid fitness regimen and she would be hotter than ever before. In a way a man keeps a woman, but for him it is better if she is not an attention whore who posts her yoga pics online to get compliments.

Definitely a win. From what I can gather from her insta, she's a few months pregnant with the dudes kid. Some weight gain is expected. After all, isn't that the endgame when it comes to wife hunting, starting a family?

Even though he's a beta, props to this guy. He struck gold by looking abroad. Instead of getting blown up in the US marriage minefield like too many other guys.

[Malone]

As an update, me and my wife (detailed earlier in the thread) have just had our first son, John. Named after my grandfather, a 101 year old badass that built his first house on evenings and weekends after working at the steel plant. He had 5 children and 1 wife, who died in her 80s of Alzheimers. Not coincidentally, the only male in my family I have any respect for.

No mother in laws around to teach her how to do anything, so it's been Google and the nurses at the Spanish hospital. We were in a private hospital (because private insurance) - and it was very good. We got the equivalent of a hotel room and stayed there for 2 nights. Labor was really easy. Get them pregnant young!

Anyway - Patriarch mode started. She's ok with 3, and is already thinking of more if the first 3 go well.