[Libertas]

(07-20-2015 01:32 PM)Sir Vigorous Wrote:  

I personally read many tweets of "all lives matter" that were making the point that cops were justified in the killing because they were afraid for their lives. Therefore "all lives matter" and the related "cops lives matter". While not all of the proponents of AllLivesMatter take this view, it is a sizable portion.

I didn't phrase it to be divisive and inflammatory, it's just the plain telling of what happened. Unarmed black man dies by cop, people say it was justified. I didn't mean that to say that they "want to see cops killing unarmed black people", but when the cops do, they support them. They believe that the cops are acting justly and protecting their lives and the lives of the peaceful citizenry.

If we want to get technical about it I shouldn't have said "it has been co-opted by people who support the police in their killing of unarmed black people."

But should have said "it has been co-opted by people who support the police when they killed unarmed black people."

This is another form of dogmatism. It is not a priori known whether the police officer was wrong or not. What matters are the facts of each individual case. Supporting cops during these incidents doesn't necessarily mean you support the killing, often it means supporting them in the face of a liberal media that absolutely loves to jump to conclusions in anything regarding black/white relations and where the black person is automatically regarded as a victim.

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I agree both livesmatter campaigns to be red herrings. They are silly and lead to something as retarded as booing the phrase "All Lives Matter." While I believe there are race issues in this country, I don't think the SJW's or liberals are doing a single useful thing to address it and make it better. They are just making it a divisive campaign issue instead of fixing the problems.

I just posted to point out AllLivesMatter would get booed in that crowd because it's the catchphrase of the opposition. Not because they don't agree with the sentiment. Under either interpretation of AllLivesMatter it's politically stupid to say that in a group full of people who embrace identity politics and don't think the cops were justified in these sensationalized cases.

Yes, what matters is changes in policy (eg, the "War" on Drugs), not identity. To address race issues you need to address the things that produce the disparities, not bitch and moan SJW style which just causes division and distrust.

[samsamsam]

tl;dr My question is about can the Democrats win it all, even if they lose the Black vote. It is a random question, just something that popped in my head while watching the news. Not here to disrespect anyone. Just a theoretical question.

Was watching the news and there was a female from the event. And she was going on and on about how they are going to make politicians accountable for black lives. Which I believe do matter, as all life matters.

However, the energy she had was this of someone screaming, pay attention to me.

I remember hearing something about a leader in Chicago was saying that it is no sure thing the Democrats will get the black vote and that any one is welcome to visit and speak with them.

Now I don't blame that guy for trying to shop the black vote, if you have not been getting what you think is the proper treatment, why not see if someone else will address your needs.

After all, the Latino vote is also super important to the Democrats and I don't always see Latino and Black issues as the same.

What all my rambling is trying to say is, the commentator was basically saying, "You need to know our issues and respect us and tell us what you will do to fix racism." But if every political party doesn't have an answer, will the Black vote just not show up? Would they not vote at all? What if both parties choose to say very little, like a form of collusion.

Because it seems the Democrats care more than the Republicans. Also, with the Latino vote and the way the Republicans disrespect them (except for Bush), is there enough Latino voting power to erase any deficit created by African Americans not voting?

[WalterBlack]

University of Houston Student VP Rohini Sethi, (who's Indian) tweeted "All Live Matters":



The inevitable happened:

SGA President announces sanctions on VP

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Bowing to pressures from students angry over a social media controversy, the SGA President has announced sanctions for the vice president.

Vice President Rohini Sethi’s five sanctions include a 50-day suspension beginning Aug. 1, mandatory attendance of the Libra Project diversity workshop, mandatory attendance of three cultural events per month, a reflection letter and a public presentation in the Senate Meeting on Sep. 28.

“Since her original post, I have not felt that she has understood or respected how her actions have affected the people around her, as well as the reputation of SGA and the university,” SGA President Shane Smith said in a statement. “I believe that many of the actions she took only further escalated the situation and were not in the best interests of the organization.”

During a Senate Meeting held Wednesday, the bill SGAB-5304 was drafted and gave Smith one-time power to determine Sethi’s suspension. It was passed with 13 votes of approval, two against and one abstaining.

Between the Senate Meeting and the sanctions’ announcement, five more days of suspension were added.

“I am confident that Rohini has the ability to learn from this experience and become a better leader and a better person,” Smith said in a statement. “I will join Rohini in many of the assignments listed below and will encourage other members of SGA to do so, as well.”

What happened to Freedom of Speech? Surprise Surprise, she has to attend a fucking Diversity Workshop...

[RexImperator]

Re-education.

[budoslavic]

(07-31-2016 06:39 PM)RexImperator Wrote:  

Re-education.

Bingo. Let's not forget this funny video, which captures it perfectly in an education environment filled with PC garbage.

[Fortis]

I love how these huge organizations miss the entire part. It isn't a matter of blacks, whites, latinos, asians or martians against each other, it is about all groups struggling against tyranny.

In these situations, the common denominator is always the police. Why are they allowed to execute people with virtually no repercussions? White people are finally feeling it and it's coming to a head, but I always chuckle when people try to make this particular issue into an issue that is strictly about race.

My white friend was driving me home a few days ago and the police pulled us over and rattled his cage a bit. He is finally realizing that the police in certain areas give 0 fucks about civilians. We hadn't done anything wrong, but the police were out in full force these days trying to fuck with anyone and everyone.

The government tested the welfare state on blacks first and now they're rolling it out on the majority. They tested police brutality out on blacks and now they're rolling it out for the majority.

If you wanna see what's coming for you guys, then just look at what shit the government is pulling on blacks.

[Leonard D Neubache]

I think the most effective way to stop the militarisation of the police in America is to remove all special priviledges related to the carriage and use of firearms.

In other words, if a cop wants to use a firearm they must do so in accordance with all the laws as they affect Joe Sixpack. Guns should not even be issued by the police department. Bump their pay by 1k and say "it's out of our hands. Carry what you like in accordance with the law and train to your own expectations."

This would have several effects. It would weed out the bullies and the psychopaths and what's more it would create a balance between the police and the public. Disarmed populace? Disarmed police. Armed populace? Armed police.

[AFS]

My theory: BLM is a psy-op meant to prevent criminal justice reform and stir racial division, thus allowing the elites to continue ruling unopposed.

Police and criminal justice needs serious reform in the U.S., but that reform has nothing to do with race. You can't make racism illegal. Are they going to fire every white cop? No, of course not. So what's the end goal of BLM? It's as ridiculous a concept as the "war on drugs" or "war on terror".

Now if the argument was depicted not as black vs white but citizens vs police, we might actually see some change. Yet what BLM has done is completely alienated any non-blacks who want police reform.

I lived in a major city in the US. I was the victim of illegal police activity and so were many people I knew. My friend (who's hispanic but looks white) was assaulted by cops. Yet the last few years we have people pointing fingers in our faces, saying we have "no idea" what it's like to be afraid of the police, how only blacks are the victims, and if we have anything to say at all about it - we're racist.

Before BLM arrived the equation was much simpler: police reform. Now it's blacks vs cops vs whites vs blacks vs...