[RDF]

I lived for several years in the SF area very recently, and know the city and lifestyle quite well. Many close friends (ages 21-26) now work in finance jobs in SF, and they tend to fall into one of two categories:

1) Making ~$100-150k/year post-bonus ($70k-100k net), but working 70-100+ hours/week and spending the few hours of the free time they get sleeping or getting trashed at bars. These guys mainly work in private equity, hedge funds, or top i-banks. Even with these salaries at a young age, I wouldn't quite say they're rolling the dough. They have solid apartments in good locations (Pac Heights, Russian Hill, etc), though they still usually split a 2BR with one other person (this will run $1800-2200 in good areas). They'll spend decent money on nights out, won't trip about buying a few rounds several nights a week, take a week or two vacation a year, and save some money each month, but they aren't "high rollers" by any means. Most don't have a car; if you do, add ~$400/month just on expenses (parking, gas, insurance, etc).

2) Making ~$60-80k/year, working 50-60 hours/week, usually in accounting, wealth management, etc. It looks like this is the category that you'd fall into. These guys either live in a decent neighborhood and split rent with 4 people (2/room, for example), or have a slightly nicer place at least a 20 minute drive or BART ride from the city (Oakland, Richmond, etc). If you spring for an apartment in the central city, you will be struggling with money, hands down. Forget about having a car or spending ~$80+ on a typical night out. If you live on the outskirts, you'll spend less on an apartment (though it will never be "little"), but you will spend money and time on commutes, and have mediocre to terrible logistics for pulling girls.

Keep in mind, some aspects of SF are actually cheaper than other cities. For one, if you live in the city or close to BART, you don't really need a car since you can walk/bike almost everywhere, and uber/lyft cost little since distances are short. Food and drinks are standard city prices, and the majority of bars don't have high cover charges (can be a negative since it means a ton of guys). The biggest issue is that rent is hideously expensive, and as a new resident, you will have zero rent control and will have to search up and down craigslist to find roommates or a decent place.

In regard to game, I've written about this elsewhere, but I think the real key to SF is finding a niche. The rave/EDM scene in SF is off the charts, with sexy 18-21 year old girls literally wearing thongs all night; every time I go to visit, I make sure to go to a show. The hipster scene is obviously strong, and if it's your cup of tea, gay bars can actually be conducive to pulling girls (gay dudes tend to go with their straight girl friends). But yes, the typical SF bar on Polk St. or the Marina is going to be full of arrogant 5s.

[jimukr104]

(07-14-2015 10:29 PM)Phil Jackson Wrote:  

For reasons I won't specify because of concerns of privacy my job opportunities are a limited. That's why I'm asking, I know the measurables would have me living in poverty, but as Menace stated I was curious about the niches and if there is intangible benefits to living in the bay area. For example, I know living in New York is expensive as hell, but from what I've been told there is always free concerts going on that would cost you money in second tier city.Also,you don't have to worry about taking care of a car in NYC.

Actually NYC is a paradox. For one thing , it might cost you 2500 a month for an apt that similar to what your neighbor pays 900 a month for.

We have rent control/rent stabilization laws that effect about 1/3 of the population, mostly us natives. So basically implants get fleeced by landlords, but the rest of us don't!

Example, my father has a studio in a luxury Afina hotel. He pays 700 a month, it is right near Madison Square Garden. All utilities included.

My mom (deceased) paid 900 a month for a tiny 1 br that was on Lex and 57th street in a doorman building on a block that has possibly the most expensive RE in the world.

I just had a 1% rent increase and next lease will be 0% increases , while Brooklyn has the highest rate increases in NYC. My rent just went from 697 to 703 a month! Market value is 1300-1350 a month.

That is how REAL NY'ers survive on low incomes, most pay dirt cheap rent, jump the turnstile, and shop at ethnic markets.

We know how to survive, unfortunately transplants DON'T!

[Sonoma]

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The rave/EDM scene in SF is off the charts, with sexy 18-21 year old girls literally wearing thongs all night; every time I go to visit, I make sure to go to a show

16*-21 might be more accurate haha. All the girls in highschool found a way to work themselves into EPR/Sunset arcade

That being sound, I still recommend

[Bones707]

^so word has gone out about underage girls being able to sneak in at Temple/Sunset Arcade. That club is rocking. Good times there.

[Thrill Jackson]

Wow, did not expect this much support, thank you all for the help. I'm a newbie now but once I develop more game/life experience I'll definitely drop a data sheet.

[Bones707]

@OP. What scene do you want? I only recommend living in SF if you are a white male and you LOVE Asian girls or if you are a hipster fagg (I don't think you are the latter if you come to RVF). Add to that, it's extremely pricey and I don't think you will make it on 50K if you want to live in SF proper.

[Travesty]

@Bones

How do Bay Area Asian chicks compare to SoCal ones?

I'd say 80% of SoCal Asian chicks are thin, only maybe 10-15% are a 7+ in the face. There are just unending loads of thin plain or androgynous faced low 6's.

The ones that are hot though are striking and usually have a more pleasant demeanor than any other ethnicity, there is a lot of a moneyed Asian male competition in their cliques for them. These same Asian chicks tend to be pretty materialistic.

I see hot white chicks and Latinas rolling with some broke ass guys with looks or Game all the time. Hot Asian chicks I always see in their Asian BF's BMW that Daddy bought him, even the gangster wanna be Asian guys seem to have family money.

[Bones707]

@Travesty.

I couldn't really tell you because I have a strict policy with Asian girls (no approaching at all nor have them under any consideration). After growing up with them and seeing how they will treat Asian guys like shit and go after white guys like no tomorrow, it irrepairably damaged my image of them. Generally, I will say the Latin and white girls are better looking but they are just as damaged as girls here in Nor-Cal.

In general, I wouldn't recommend any part of California to sane masculine men unless you have money or you have out of control yellow fever (given that you are a white male of course).

[Travesty]

^ Maybe Asian girls go for white guys more up there... down in SoCal you will rarely see a hot Asian chick with a white guy. You will often see a very cute Asian chick with a guy that is tops in the looks department, like a guy that could have 8's staring at him in the club.

Meaning Asian chicks will go for white guys, those white guys are often dating down in looks though by a fair bit. It would be great if it was the other way around, never seems to be.

Or most commonly it is a plain white guy and a plain Asian chick.

The hot Asian chicks for the vast majority seem to want a rich Asian guy. And there are lots of rich Asian guys to go around.

[Bones707]

^im not surprised about that. A lot of rich dudes from China are moving in to SoCal and buying up properties like no tomorrow. This is especially true in cities like Acadia.

Are you into Asian chicks Travesty?

[Cyclone]

(07-14-2015 09:15 PM)extracube Wrote:  

I won't make a recommendation to anyone either way as it's their choice, but way too many glasses-wearing, non-working out, high-pitch voice mousy males here that ruin the environment -- no sense of male / female distinction.

No offense, but isn't this a good thing?
If you are a strong male that works out, exhibit strong playful masculinity, and express sexual desire openly, wouldn't 90% of the girls flock to you and ignore the chump competition? One thing i'll never understand about some posters is why they talk about dudes so much. Sure, in Australia/Brazil/Hawaii the dudes are built so you are at a disadvantage and that's a valid complaint, but if you're a spotlight in the crowd I dont see why you'd complain

I say this because as a Chicagoan, I visit SF often in the winters, and spark instant attraction from all the girls around me because of above reasons.
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[Travesty]

(07-15-2015 10:39 PM)Bones707 Wrote:  

^im not surprised about that. A lot of rich dudes from China are moving in to SoCal and buying up properties like no tomorrow. This is especially true in cities like Acadia.

Are you into Asian chicks Travesty?

Not enough to move to S.F. especially since I have heard the Asian chicks down here are generally hotter. Asian American chicks usually have fucked up personalities. The foreign born ones are a bit better. For some reason even with the foreign ones I don't feel like I connect with them on a personal level.

[VincentVinturi]

(07-16-2015 07:58 PM)Travesty Wrote:  

Asian American chicks usually have fucked up personalities. The foreign born ones are a bit better. For some reason even with the foreign ones I don't feel like I connect with them on a personal level.

So true.

It's funny how some of the sweetest, most feminine girls in the world can turn into the most ruthless, intolerable cunts if they grow up stateside.

[WanderingSoul]

Asian American chicks are horrible compared to Asians in Asia, but still so much better than the white American chicks in SF lol.

I did see a few hot black girls though, and a few ratchet ass ones that were walking around talking shit like they were trying to get on World Star. "Yo! Dat bitch walkin like she got fucked in da ass!" Said about some random girl walking down the street perfectly normal, followed by the dumbest and most obnoxious fucking laugh I've heard in my life.

Saw some hot tourists around the Westfield Mall. Saw a bunch of frumpy white chicks on Polk Street.

That's about the extent of my weekend in SF.

[Bones707]

(07-16-2015 07:58 PM)Travesty Wrote:  

(07-15-2015 10:39 PM)Bones707 Wrote:  

^im not surprised about that. A lot of rich dudes from China are moving in to SoCal and buying up properties like no tomorrow. This is especially true in cities like Acadia.

Are you into Asian chicks Travesty?

Not enough to move to S.F. especially since I have heard the Asian chicks down here are generally hotter. Asian American chicks usually have fucked up personalities. The foreign born ones are a bit better. For some reason even with the foreign ones I don't feel like I connect with them on a personal level.

In general, Asian-American girls are by far the most fucked up chicks that I know (it's why I have developed my own personal rules when dealing with them). However, the rules also apply for the FOB East Asians and even more severe when dealing with NE Asians (the girls are some of the weirdest and most awkward chicks I know). The only exceptions are Fob Filipinas as for me, they have more balanced personalities than NE Asians (I also get along best with them but that has in part because they are Catholic and they were partially Hispanicized by my ancestors).

Now, throw in some Latin American girls (non-Mexican), European, or Middle Eastern chicks and you have me approaching like mad and then getting some results

You are more into Latin girls Travesty?

[Bones707]

(07-17-2015 01:47 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

Asian American chicks are horrible compared to Asians in Asia, but still so much better than the white American chicks in SF lol.

I did see a few hot black girls though, and a few ratchet ass ones that were walking around talking shit like they were trying to get on World Star. "Yo! Dat bitch walkin like she got fucked in da ass!" Said about some random girl walking down the street perfectly normal, followed by the dumbest and most obnoxious fucking laugh I've heard in my life.

Saw some hot tourists around the Westfield Mall. Saw a bunch of frumpy white chicks on Polk Street.

That's about the extent of my weekend in SF.

http://whytherearenogirls.blogspot.com/?m=1

You have been warned.

[Travesty]

(07-17-2015 02:17 PM)Bones707 Wrote:  

You are more into Latin girls Travesty?

Latina American chicks I like, they don't like me. Not enough are white washed which are the only ones with an interest in me, and I can't attract the ones that like the gangsta scene.

I think I would get much better reception down south though from just testing the waters on the internet. I am going to Colombia in November and will report back.

[Stun]

(07-15-2015 05:52 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

The admitted downside is IMO it is a place of diminishing returns unless you strike it big because the intensity of the youth worship there. Girls ideally want VERY close to their age, and so as you go 28-35........it's an uphill battle.

I never thought SF was too bad about age, until I began traveling in the post-Tinder world. In Southern California I was getting matches 10 years younger and in Louisiana 15 years younger. That only happens here once in a while, unless it's a 19 year old with some daddy issues.

[Palo_alto]

I live in SF for 50K a year 5 years ago.

Back then I rented a room in a house with 5 roommates in Daly City. U$900/month rent + utilities.

I believe right now is even more expensive, with 50K you can live but you will not be ´ballin´ as you mentioned.

[Giovonny]

I live in San Francisco, so, I feel like I should contribute something...

For thousands of years, men have been leaving their homes to travel around the world in search of fortune, fame, and females. Often times, these men risked their lives. Now, in 2015, you can just hop on a plane and if things dont work out, you can get back on a plane and go home. There really isn't much risk involved.

Can you survive on 50k a year?

Yes, but just understand that you will be competing against millionaires. You will be a small fish in a big ocean.

We do NOT have a large supply of good looking women. This is because of high rents and an economy based around science, tech, and finance. These are male dominated professions and the few women who do work in these fields are generally ugly.

How handsome are you? The better looking you are, the more sexual opportunities you will have..

Find a "niche' or "scene" where you have some status, use this status to create sexual opportunities.

Get creative with your approaching both in person and online. You have to do things that help you stand out from the crowd and you have to be aggressive.

If you come here, come here to advance your career, don't come for the women.

In quality locations, expect to pay 1500 a month for a room in an apartment or house with a few roommates. Decent studio apartments go for 2500 or more. (In less than desirable locations, you can rent a room for 800-900, maybe a little less if you are willing to live far away from the heart of the city)

Much of your paycheck will go to rent, utilities, food, etc. but you will have enough to survive.

What do you have to lose? Nothing.

What do you have to gain? Everything.

I say, do it. The experience alone will be life changing.

Worst case scenario: you go back home

Best case scenario: you advance in your career, make some decent money, and enjoy your new life.

You should at least try.

[Bones707]

(07-18-2015 03:53 PM)Travesty Wrote:  

(07-17-2015 02:17 PM)Bones707 Wrote:  

You are more into Latin girls Travesty?

Latina American chicks I like, they don't like me. Not enough are white washed which are the only ones with an interest in me, and I can't attract the ones that like the gangsta scene.

I think I would get much better reception down south though from just testing the waters on the internet. I am going to Colombia in November and will report back.

Do you go to school atm? The white-washed Latin girls here in California typically go to CSUs rather than the UCs. However, you will have better luck with them than me (they don't like me because they want to snag a college educated Anglo man; I don't fit that profile at all....). Anyway, if you want the best of the best in Latin America, best I can recommend is learning Spanish or Portuguese. It will open up a lot more doors.

[choothia]

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[Beyond Borders]

I could live in San Francisco. I think it gets a bad rap.

I mean Gio's game is probably a lot better than mine and he obviously knows the place, so if he says women are a challenging issue, I'd take that as gold. But I grew up in a more pathetic section of northern Cali as far as women goes so can't be too bad.

Always thought it was a fascinating city though. And swimming in fob's if all else fails.

My income is extremely flexible too and if I need to ramp it up an extra 20k doesn't take long. For me the networking aspect would be big. I say if opportunity is knocking go check it out.

One cool thing about Frisco is even though it's expensive everyone is trying to save a buck and people generally don't look at you funny for it. There are some great books about living cheap there.

By the way, if anyone wants to get pretentious about me calling it Frisco they can fuck off. Haha one thing I do hate about the city is people who act like that.

[fucksong]

@Phil - you brought up ny a few times. if you have the option of living in ny vs sf, you will find tons more women there but as others have said, why not give sf a try. you need to see for yourself how much of a sausagefest it is and to help you appreciate it when you do live in a place where there are more women.

SF is my hometown and its a beautiful city where you are close to beaches, hiking, city life, cool architecture, etc. if you plan on developing an iphone app or some startup, that is the place to be. but if you want tons of pussy traffic, go elsewhere. As i type this, i somewhat miss SF and if it was more affordable, i might give the sausagefest a pass since its such a cool city but high price and lack of women is a deal killer for me.

[PrettySmooth]

Been in SF for a while now. I'm here for my career... but possibly wouldn't be otherwise.

Couple years ago I managed to find a good 1BR for "cheap," which is $2500+/mo and not in the greatest hood (but not the TL). I used to make six figs which was plenty for a solid SF lifestyle, but I've switched to freelancing and pull $60k/yr now, but I don't have to work very much. I can live fine on $60k/yr even w/ a $2500+/mo apartment, Christ, but... I also rent it out for significant chunks of the year to travel to cheaper lands & save a little.

Girls... Asian foreigner chicks are everywhere in SF and eager to meet an SF guy. You can just walk up and run really crappy day game and still get a number. White chicks or Asian Americans are different beasts. IMO the feminism stuff is less noticeable than the upper middle class cliqueness. It's fraternity/ sorority 2.0, mainly just tons of upper middle class white chicks who's families support them or got them their high paying job (so they can actually afford to be an SF chick). Cold approach is just so much tougher with that group, they just in general look down on relationships that aren't from social introductions or from work, & you have to look the part.

That's a dominant group in the city, but it's also counterbalanced by tourists, new arrivals, students, hipsters, milfs, and new agers and that don't think like that.

Nightlife I've almost given up on. If you're not into ecstasy & EDM I think it's relatively boring and everything closes early (usually lights up at 1:30a, unless it's an EDM thing). Boring mostly b/c median age is relatively old b/c it's so expensive and people just seem more settled down or career driven. Note, unless you're tall, rich, & good looking you will definitely feel out classed, short, and less attractive at pretty much any bar or club you walk into on a Friday or Saturday night, even mission dives.

I don't know, I think if you have really tight game and a lot of time to get after it you can be a serious player (Lance Mason has been an inspiration here). Yet while I like SF, I also really look forward to opportunities to rent my apartment and skip town, I don't think I could last a full 12/ 12 months here.