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06-29-2015, 06:25 PM
The fuck? Why don't you call her out? You are not the Marriott or a Holiday Inn. She's using you and you need to point out the elephant in the room, especially when you are trying to escalate.
"Whoa, if you wanted to rent out a room, why don't you just ask?"
You need dump her ass back wherever you got her. You shouldn't be the one picking up the check. I would not put up with something like this. Try the above and if it does not work, I strongly urge you to toss her back to the wolves.
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06-29-2015, 07:01 PM
To up your standards negate a point if they are 30+ and negate another point for each kid she has.
So she is a 5. That is how you should see and treat her because that is her real value.
I hate to say it, but you are directly contributing to women's shitty behaviors that we despise in Anglo society. You are the villain here.
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Is she reacting to me? All pussy, no problems
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06-29-2015, 07:11 PM
As long as you're not sacrificing time that could be spent with other women, I see no harm in hanging out with her. As you said, on those nights it's either her or your hand.
If you were getting progress with each night then it's only a matter of time, but it sounds like after night 3 it's going backwards.
She's trying to test and wear you down. Is it to see if you "really care" about her and not her body, who knows?
Does she initiate the sleepover? If she does, next time say you wish you could but you have other plans, but let's get together on Tuesday. Then when she comes over on Tuesday you don't make any moves and just be friendly. Her hamster will start spinning and she may just start putting her hand on your crotch.
Women seduce men because they want to break-down their transcendence (distance). You need to create some distance, make her unsure of whether you desire her anymore and if there is a new woman in the picture.
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06-29-2015, 07:13 PM
So she's sleeping with you, but where are her kids?
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06-29-2015, 07:24 PM
4 nights and no bang, she needs to be next as soon as possible player.
I am assuming that she wants to bang,otherwise she wouldn't sleep at your place, I am also assuming that she is one of these girls that wants you to keep pushing even if she is telling you she doesn't want to do it. Get her a drunk if necessary. Sleep naked when she is on your bed, take out your dick, let her play with it, get sexual in a verbal way, tell her you want to lick her out till she orgasms on your mouth, put your hands on her neck, show her that you will be fucking her really hard, neg her, tell her that you don't want her, slap her on the cheek, etc
Call other girls if necessary, flirt with them on the phone while she is lying on your bed with you, be a dick, put a porn movie on.
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06-29-2015, 07:41 PM
The nights you spend with a chick not fucking you are the nights you could be working out, making money, going out to meet other chicks.
It doesn't matter that she's a 9 or a divorced single mom.
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06-29-2015, 08:15 PM
Your time has as much value as you give it.
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If I talk to 100 19 year old girls, at least one of them is getting fucked!
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Am I reacting to her? No pussy, all problems
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Is she reacting to me? All pussy, no problems
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06-29-2015, 08:27 PM
RougeNoir, you've been on the forum a lot longer than many of us, you know better than this.
Start ramping up other prospects so you build enough of an abundance mentality to never put yourself in this situation again.
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06-29-2015, 09:00 PM
Dude you seem like a solid guy and I completely get the ego part but the fact that she cusses you out for trying to escalate, in your own bed??? I would have thrown her pitiful ass out instantly. I've had weird LMR shit but nothing even approaching that. If you took the hard line and told her to put out or get out she may turn and give it up.
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06-30-2015, 07:37 AM
You my friend are the Sexless Innkeeper
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06-30-2015, 10:06 AM
Slapping your hand away while you try to kino? At your house? Who the fuck does she think you are/she is?
Man that's a disgusting attitude. I dont see the "she wants to test you for LTR" signs others are talking about here at all. Girls who are into you but want to take it slow never act like that.
Bitch deserves a bitch slap and a boot up her ass.
Gotta agree with Travesty... You see a hot woman and you let her get away with anything. She must think she is still the hot 20 years old because of this. I dont buy the "its either that or your hand" excuse either. Once or twice maybe, but 5 nights? My hand got more dignity than that bitch. Save yourself the dignity and go ghost on her, see how she reacts. Physically speaking its much more frustrating to be next to a hot woman who doesnt fuck you than doing it yourself.
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06-30-2015, 10:57 AM
Next time escalate until she either bangs or gets out. You should have done it the first night.
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06-30-2015, 11:03 AM
@Menace, please build in that concept
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06-30-2015, 11:41 AM
So you need more than just physical escalation to get this one to the finish line. You tried that enough times. It didn't get the right result.
It's going to require dialog.
If you discuss this, you want to avoid at all costs:
a) negotiation
b) overtly using logic to try and convince her she's ready
It's more a battle of frame. At the moment you are falling into her frame. She gets to set the pace. You signal you're OK with the present situation and you'll just wait until she's ready.
To build your frame, I would be trying to:
a) describe your principles in a way that she can respect and empathize with
b) set the road map for how you want things to go in the near future
Instead of just throwing an ultimatum at her, you stake out your standards and expectations. The more you describe them, the more she can see your boundaries and how to fit in with them. Your expectations are based on your principles and what you happen to want.
Your principles say that:
She has to understand it's not much fun for you if she's in your bed and smells good but doesn't want to come closer. You don't want to spend a whole night like that because you won't sleep well.
Your intuition is telling you that any girl worth having in your bed should be comfortable with you and want to get closer.
It's basically the same ultimatum but it comes from your frame and not her rejection.
Of course you have to be fully ready to say goodbye for that night. Your preference is to send her back to her place for the night if she's not DTF. Also you are OK with not seeing her again if she has no interest in fitting in with your wants and expectations.
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06-30-2015, 12:48 PM
OK, just to clear a few misconceptions:
We've slept with no-action 5 times total, not sure where you're getting 9 from.
She's Native American. I don't even meet women like this, ever. I'm holding out for the flag.
The nights we spend together are nights where I have to get up early the next morning, non-primetime nights,etc.