[DaveR]

(06-29-2015 06:18 PM)RougeNoir Wrote:  

Shit's bizarre but I want to stick it out to see what'll be the end result. I'd be willing to try 10 nights of inaction before I give up.

There is only one way to say this:

   

A lot of quality advice has been given in this thread, but you keep ignoring it. What do you want from us?


I couldn't agree more with the following:

(06-29-2015 07:01 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

I hate to say it, but you are directly contributing to women's shitty behaviors that we despise in Anglo society. You are the villain here.

[deboinair]

(06-29-2015 06:18 PM)RougeNoir Wrote:  

At this stage in the game, I'd never thought I'd still have to use the Newbie Forum.

Nevertheless, a 30 y/o woman (red flag) with 2 kids (red flag) who is a 8/10 with great body, soft smooth legs, and pillow ass has been coming over to sleep and only sleep. We've gone on a date once that went okay. The problem is she's come over 4 times and I've gone over there once for a total of five (5) nights of no action. The farthest we've gone is me fingering her the third (3) time. Every time I try to kiss/lick her neck or feel pussy, she removes my hand and cusses me out (red flag) haha. I've never dealt with anything like this before in my life. It doesn't matter if she's been drinking or not. Shit's bizarre but I want to stick it out to see what'll be the end result. I'd be willing to try 10 nights of inaction before I give up. What is she trying to accomplish here?

Any thoughts on this other than NEXTing her?

In short. Get rid of her. Below are are few reasons though in no typical order.

1. She is older knows the game and doesn't want to be smashing and the guy is dashing. While I understand this thought, DON'T SLEEP OVER. She knows better than that.

2. Related to #1. She is playing a game.

3. Somebody is still smashing. The relationship isn't good, but as we know a lot of women are dumb with men and will keep going back to them even if they are dogging them out.

[deboinair]

(06-29-2015 06:28 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Pussy on the pedestal.

Immediately stop the nights spent sleeping over.

It's been a total of 9 nights spent with each other and no bang ? I don't see anything positive coming out of this.

She's 30 with 2 kids and doesn't want to fuck you, that's insulting.

I'd go cold on her and see what her reaction is and what she says.

If a woman ever cussed at me in my own house and my own bed when I'm making a move on her I'd tell her to fuck off and get out.

This is what you are to her right now:



This is a sex now or leave situation, if she doesn't put out, give her the boot.

You're wasting time, I'd say 3 times max no sex (3 strikes rule). Imagine what you could do with those other 6 nights? You could be fucking girls in your bed instead of laying there with her.

Damn I didn't read his post fully. I just saw the women with kids thing and responded. 9 nights? Fuck no. Absolutely not.

OP you need to man up homie. The first time she is LAYING IN MY BED and curses me out because I want to fuck. I would have told her to get her ass out. I've actually did this a few times. Can't be a boyfriend pillow.

At 30 y/o a woman isn't dumb enough not to sleep with a guy in a bed and not expect him to do anything. If she is on that take it slow BS, their is no sleep overs and she is going to have to pay for some dinners and shit. Two kids and she trying to act like a virgin? Man these hoes have bumped their head I swear.

[deboinair]

(06-29-2015 07:01 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

To up your standards negate a point if they are 30+ and negate another point for each kid she has.

So she is a 5. That is how you should see and treat her because that is her real value.

I hate to say it, but you are directly contributing to women's shitty behaviors that we despise in Anglo society. You are the villain here.

I would have to agree. I think chicks with kids their value drops. In the old days, they were just happy a guy would say hi. Fuck quick because all they would have time for is their kids. So they needed that stress reliever. Now you have simps treating them like queens. Not to say you should treat them bad, but if they are doing shit like this then yes.

[haywire]

Sorry bro, but this is nothing but poor game. Her being a "supposed 8" has shaken the foundations of your game.

The situation is nothing but a repackaged form of the time when you were trying to learn game and would give in/get needy to a chick's demands without holding your frame. You're buying into her frame, overlooking her clearly manipulative ways, hoping that she would relent and then would open her legs, just because she is an "8".

Ask yourself - would you be tolerating all that BS if she was a 5? The basics of game don't change by the perceived rating of a girl, on the contrary, the hotter the woman the tighter your game has to be.

That text exchange was so-not-smooth. I wonder if anyone was ever able to convert a difficult girl over texts? If you're really trying to score here you'd perhaps be much better off inviting her to a club, then escalating and if she resists then cut her off. Get her invested and don't give her what she wants("the pillow") till you have gotten what you want.

P4P - Pillow 4 Pussy

[MrXY]

The lowest rank for members should be changed from "Male Feminist" to "Human Pillow".

[el mechanico]

Don't shame him please. Strange things happen like I said before I've been in these crazy lady situations.

I can tell you about them if you like but let rougenior tell his story.

[RougeNoir]

(07-03-2015 07:00 AM)RedPillUK Wrote:  

Do you even have game bro to be a human pillow for a single mother of 2?

Don't go asking for advice for your blue pill dilemma, and then get upset when others call it what it is.

These highly-touted game gurus just come out of the woodwork to put in their $0.02. Do YOU even have game bro to be calling shit blue pill?

[el mechanico]

(07-03-2015 09:36 PM)RougeNoir Wrote:  

(07-03-2015 07:00 AM)RedPillUK Wrote:  

Do you even have game bro to be a human pillow for a single mother of 2?

Don't go asking for advice for your blue pill dilemma, and then get upset when others call it what it is.

These highly-touted game gurus just come out of the woodwork to put in their $0.02. Do YOU even have game bro to be calling shit blue pill?

Don't worry about that.

Tell us what's goin on!!

You should let people know where you are though. Roundabout.

[RougeNoir]

(07-03-2015 12:41 PM)DaveR Wrote:  

(06-29-2015 06:18 PM)RougeNoir Wrote:  

Shit's bizarre but I want to stick it out to see what'll be the end result. I'd be willing to try 10 nights of inaction before I give up.

There is only one way to say this:



A lot of quality advice has been given in this thread, but you keep ignoring it. What do you want from us?

I just asked how to get the bang not what's blue, red, or purple pill. You are making it into a bigger deal than it is. Also, if we'd ever meet in person I'd make sure we'd further discuss me being a "faggot."

[RougeNoir]

(07-03-2015 08:51 PM)MrXY Wrote:  

The lowest rank for members should be changed from "Male Feminist" to "Human Pillow".

Or maybe even "p4p Seeking Arrangement game master."

[Mentavious]

(07-03-2015 09:51 PM)RougeNoir Wrote:  

(07-03-2015 08:51 PM)MrXY Wrote:  

The lowest rank for members should be changed from "Male Feminist" to "Human Pillow".

Or maybe even "p4p Seeking Arrangement game master."

[DaveR]

(07-03-2015 09:46 PM)RougeNoir Wrote:  

(07-03-2015 12:41 PM)DaveR Wrote:  

(06-29-2015 06:18 PM)RougeNoir Wrote:  

Shit's bizarre but I want to stick it out to see what'll be the end result. I'd be willing to try 10 nights of inaction before I give up.

There is only one way to say this:



A lot of quality advice has been given in this thread, but you keep ignoring it. What do you want from us?

I just asked how to get the bang not what's blue, red, or purple pill. You are making it into a bigger deal than it is. Also, if we'd ever meet in person I'd make sure we'd further discuss me being a "faggot."

The part about being a faggot was a passive-aggressive joke.

The second part was not... Nobody can tell you how to "get the bang" with Miss One. You need to re-read the material on abundance mentality and oneitis.

[game_ethic]

[RougeNoir]

(07-04-2015 08:02 AM)DaveR Wrote:  

The second part was not... Nobody can tell you how to "get the bang" with Miss One. You need to re-read the material on abundance mentality and oneitis.

Too bad others did try to help me with getting the bang. Next time, stay out of threads when you have nothing to add. I mean, it's really simple Dave.

[el mechanico]

So what happened?

DaveR: good game is not written in stone and next or delete every cunt just because it's time or someone says it is. The fact is the more time you spend figuring out a quirky situation makes you better. And you'll know the signs beforehand and think.. Ok one of you again.. I got this.

Do your time to commit the crime ( no actual crime just consentual sex)

Live and learn guys there's no rules ( except for blocking gay marriage or confederate flags and whatnot)

[Comte De St. Germain]

[duedue]

Just an idea:

Go radio silent for a little while. Then agree to her coming over but cancel it at last minute with an excuse. Next time let her come over and when she knocks at your door open it while you are naked; beckon her to give you a hug while standing in the way of her getting in. Tell her you've become a home nudist.

[Il Bersagliere]

(07-05-2015 03:38 PM)duedue Wrote:  

Just an idea:

Go radio silent for a little while. Then agree to her coming over but cancel it at last minute with an excuse. Next time let her come over and when she knocks at your door open it while you are naked; beckon her to give you a hug while standing in the way of her getting in. Tell her you've become a home nudist.

Next time she brings her kids to spend the night and OP still gets none. I kid. I kid.

[barnbarn2k]

So I had a similar experience years ago. Chick was a virgin no major relationships. We talked on and off for a year. I concluded lay would require to much effort and she was slightly crazy and our values didn't align. I don't remember how I worked it into the convo but I was talking about pinning her down and taking her virginity and other lewd acts I would do unto her. Later that week she invited me over to cuddle and watch a movie. Anyways I didn't have the cajones to do what I talked about and I didn't want to risk jail. However when I watched a movie with her I whipped it out and she gladly took it in her hands while we watched a Christian movie. Sometimes I can ramp things up so there is zero resistance other times moral legal and ethical boundaries have to be pushed... I'm not saying you should slap her around and have your way with her but I bet someone currently is, not you...

[Fitnesspm]

Tell her, we have gotten to know each other well over these.... its time to have sex tonight!

If she says no or makes up some excuse, tell her that "you have my number, cya"

go cold and show very little interest when she messages you until she says she is ready!

Nothing worst than having blue balls!

[Saweeep]

This bitch just needs grabbing by her neck and shoved against a wall the moment she enters the house.

My gut feeling is she just needs and wants a good cave manning.

[stpete]

I didn't read all the answers but Wow....it's over dude. Move on!

You have shown your beta side....do you have an alpha side? Work on that and show it to the next woman.

You messed up. Move on. You lost this one. Find another. It's over....your done.

End of story ...there is nothing to say...the more you try and fix this the more beta you will be.

It's over....work on your alpha man...women want real men....they will test you. You have been tested!

[Rawmeo]

Dudes here who know me well know that I seem to have something against single moms, but I still can't figure out where it comes from. Anyway...

I'll say the same thing that has been said here. She's 30 and 2 kids. She can't expect to find a charming prince. She's a single mom. She should put out on the very first encounter, and not expect exclusivety. She's wrecked, no matter how hot she is.

Now this hint applies to any girl, not just a single mom: you are a guy with testosterone, you aren't running a free hotel service. Never let a girl sleep at your house with no sex. While this may sound intimidating, don't be a boyfriend pillow.

Next time she comes over, just do like I did last week with a girl: start escalating in the bed. Go for the bang. If she refuses, tell her that you aren't running a free hotel service, and tell her that she is free to leave now if she isn't satisfied. Let out a quick laugh, kiss her, and continue escalating. If you are on the verge of losing the LMR battle, tell her that you're going to take her home right away (even if it's 3 a.m.). And do it for real, unless she drags you back in bed for sex (never say no to sex).

I ain't no Romeo, I am a man with basic needs. Try that with her.

[Travesty]

Rouge what happened? This thread has been amazing, I missed the last page or two.

I am hoping you pumped and dumped.

Or became a father.

Either would teach you much about life.