[RougeNoir]

We haven't been talking much. She hit me up while I was out of town last weekend then I hit her up when I came back and she was out of town. So maybe this week, I'll shoot her a text and tell her to come through on one of my slow nights for boyfriend pillowing and no sex. - Cuddlemaster

[barnbarn2k]

Don't forget your teddy bear and jammies heh

[Engineer]

At least tell her to bring a pizza and beer this time?

[Rawmeo]

Let us know how it goes when she comes over. Put your balls on, and no sex = next, and she walks home

[Il Bersagliere]

I wanted to toss in a quip about how rent would be cheaper on the reservation, but that may be racist. Keep us in the loop, OP.

Before, I think I'd let her stay over. But like Rawmeo says, if the resistance is too strong, kick her out. And with no cab fare to boot.

[Bushido]

Man, OP is wasting so much time. Just reading this makes my blood boil!

Girls operate in strange ways. Some want validation only. Some get off on cockteasing men. Be a MAN and weed these timeswasters out!

OP, you are being too wishy-washy. You need to force her to give a firm YES or NO.

Next time she gives you LMR just whip your cock out. Grab her hand and put it there.

If she still won't do anything then it's never gonna happen. Trust me on this. That's when you tell her to GTFO.

Bitches can only waste your time if you let them.

[Bushido]

Oh, and no 30 year-old single mum is an 8/10. Kind of wonder if you are trolling us OP!

[RougeNoir]

Last night I asked her (via text), "you wanna come by me to get freaky?" She said, "no." Then I asked, "we can cuddle after, we both win." She said, "no thanks." Then I said, "what about I come by you to get freaky." She said, "uhh, yea." I said, "Ok what time to come." She didn't respond. Total investment, 5 minutes.

No more advice, please. I'll just update everyone with progress, if interested.

[Deepdiver]

This is one twisted sisters agenda - based upon the long established RVF law that beta bux and alpha fux - clearly she is not phucking you so she ONLY sees you as potential beta bux solution to help her with the heavy lifting (kids) money - baby sitting - taking them to the park - so she has time for her new Alpha fux. Truth is often a harsh task master... if she is not banging you on the regular she sees you as provider friend zone material to use and abuse as she pleases... not advice just observing the facts as presented.

[LeeEnfield303]

(07-24-2015 03:42 PM)RougeNoir Wrote:  

No more advice, please.

No worries....you don't deserve any more, in my opinion.

[HonantheBarbarian]

RN, that last text exchange made me ill.

She is clearly holding the strings.

[Il Bersagliere]

(07-24-2015 03:42 PM)RougeNoir Wrote:  

Last night I asked her (via text), "you wanna come by me to get freaky?" She said, "no." Then I asked, "we can cuddle after, we both win." She said, "no thanks." Then I said, "what about I come by you to get freaky." She said, "uhh, yea." I said, "Ok what time to come." She didn't respond. Total investment, 5 minutes.

No more advice, please. I'll just update everyone with progress, if interested.

Bro, you got really tight game.

On a serious note, I'm so glad we're having a discussion like this. Anytime a girl walks in my front door, she's eventually gonna get naked or get kicked the fuck out. Worst case scenario, no one sleeps that night. I honestly don't care if it's 3am....shit.

[tommybr]

this is so cute be a real man and cuddle with her
don't run from your feelings

[Feldeinsamkeit]

(07-24-2015 03:42 PM)RougeNoir Wrote:  

Last night I asked her (via text), "you wanna come by me to get freaky?" She said, "no." Then I asked, "we can cuddle after, we both win." She said, "no thanks." Then I said, "what about I come by you to get freaky." She said, "uhh, yea." I said, "Ok what time to come." She didn't respond. Total investment, 5 minutes.

No more advice, please. I'll just update everyone with progress, if interested.

From that text alone, let alone the sorry saga of this whore using your apartment as a convenient motel, you should know to tell her to put up or shut up. Now that you're asking her to pay something towards her upkeep - i.e. surrender the bang - she's bailing. But at least now you know the script (free stuff in exchange for nothing but a promise of a bang over the rainbow), you hopefully won't repeat this again.

[Dalaran1991]

(07-24-2015 03:42 PM)RougeNoir Wrote:  

Last night I asked her (via text), "you wanna come by me to get freaky?" She said, "no." Then I asked, "we can cuddle after, we both win." She said, "no thanks." Then I said, "what about I come by you to get freaky." She said, "uhh, yea." I said, "Ok what time to come." She didn't respond. Total investment, 5 minutes.

No more advice, please. I'll just update everyone with progress, if interested.

Do keep us updated. I actually think you will get laid eventually, and if in your mind this is zero investment then I guess theres no loss.

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beta bux and alpha fux - clearly she is not phucking you so she ONLY sees you as potential beta bux solution

This is not always set in stone. If you think about it, betas do get laid. All the time. Just not with the frequency and quality that we use to. They will spend a fuck ton of $ over a fuck ton of time, but they do get non-P4P sex.

We have very high standard and dead hard principles on RVF, but we all know the things guys out there are willing to do to get laid, and betas do get laid. Well, at least here in Paris. Ive been out of the US for a while so I cant say, but its just not possible that betas are not getting sex once in a while.

[Feldeinsamkeit]

(07-26-2015 05:16 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

(07-24-2015 03:42 PM)RougeNoir Wrote:  

Last night I asked her (via text), "you wanna come by me to get freaky?" She said, "no." Then I asked, "we can cuddle after, we both win." She said, "no thanks." Then I said, "what about I come by you to get freaky." She said, "uhh, yea." I said, "Ok what time to come." She didn't respond. Total investment, 5 minutes.

No more advice, please. I'll just update everyone with progress, if interested.

Do keep us updated. I actually think you will get laid eventually, and if in your mind this is zero investment then I guess theres no loss.

Quote:

beta bux and alpha fux - clearly she is not phucking you so she ONLY sees you as potential beta bux solution

This is not always set in stone. If you think about it, betas do get laid. All the time. Just not with the frequency and quality that we use to. They will spend a fuck ton of $ over a fuck ton of time, but they do get non-P4P sex.

We have very high standard and dead hard principles on RVF, but we all know the things guys out there are willing to do to get laid, and betas do get laid. Well, at least here in Paris. Ive been out of the US for a while so I cant say, but its just not possible that betas are not getting sex once in a while.

It depends on what you mean by "once in a while". In the Anglosphere, I can assure you that there are plenty of betas who are going without sex for years at a time. I don't know how this stacks up with where you are in Paris, though, maybe you've been out of the US for too long?!

[Deepdiver]

Dalran1991 - A Paris datasheet anywhere on RVF or anytime soon???

This would be really appreciated - any tips on economizing for living there over the long term and gaming French women vs the large immigrant community... typical datasheet info?

[Dalaran1991]

(07-26-2015 05:31 PM)Deepdiver Wrote:  

Dalran1991 - A Paris datasheet anywhere on RVF or anytime soon???

This would be really appreciated - any tips on economizing for living there over the long term and gaming French women vs the large immigrant community... typical datasheet info?

I already did. Didnt address the logistics, but about gaming French girls I basically told you all I knew.

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-44541.html

Actually Ive got a few different flags since writing that, I might update the thread.

Will also post other French guys' game that make me think why beta still get laid. Dont get me wrong, there are 23s virgins beta here too (my good buddy is one but theres nothing I can do for him) but there are a lot of guys with no game who still get laid.

Maybe its because I still hang out with the university crowd?

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It depends on what you mean by "once in a while". In the Anglosphere, I can assure you that there are plenty of betas who are going without sex for years at a time. I don't know how this stacks up with where you are in Paris, though, maybe you've been out of the US for too long?!

I left the US 2 years ago. Back then it was bad but not THAT bad. If guys are not ugly, make decent income, and can hold basic conversations and still not get laid in a year then yeah I would call that bad. How is it in the UK by the way? Boss is asking me if I want a transfer to London.

Lets PM so not to rail the thread.

[elabayarde]

Naw listen... I've done this. Act like you don't give a fuck. You have many girls there and they put out. So she's not sexually interesting. Then use basic reverse physiology, and explain to her that you don't really put out for average girls. Do it jokingly. But even though she laughs subconsciously it has some sort of effect that she will be interested in getting it from u. Wierd... But I've done it. I even ignored the girl, and she went nuts over the fact that I didn't try to fuck her. Not out of respect but pure disinterest, it's like u friends zoning her. If she's hot, it's like unfathomable that guy who is straight just think she's not sexy.

[kaotic]

Seriously ? You actually said

Quote:

"we can cuddle after, we both win." She said, "no thanks." Then I said, "what about I come by you to get freaky."

This dries up pussy faster than anything, radio silence this bitch, she isn't worth anything,

In fact she's being a total cunt and holds all the cards, and you're foolishly putting her on the pedestal still.

Stop being this:



And start being a man and gaming other girls.

[coverdoc]

This has been an amazing read thus far.

-CD

[GoSkins]

didn't read the entire thread

The OP has Oneitis written all over him. The using of him will continue until some dude sweeps her off her feet, bangs her, and then disrespects her.

Guess who she'll be trying to win over when that happens. Hint: NOT the OP.

I had the same problem, multiple times... then I found this forum, stopped giving a fuck, ditched my oneitis.... and began banging many women I didn't care about.

The OP will learn... but unfortunately, the hard way. Most of us do, at some point.

[Saweeep]

I find people who ask others' advice then refuse to act on it incredibly infuriating.

OP, you need to wake the fuck up.

[amusedmastery]

@rougenoir

Not giving advice but an observation. The problem you have here is that this woman is running with an inflated SMV. She thinks she's still at peak (23) and can command that kind of attention. She may be attractive still but with the age and baggage she's post wall. I recently met 2 women, both in their early 40's, that honestly believe they are riding peak SMV like a tidal wave into their 50's. Both are attractive but not 24 yr old attractive and I usually run into them as they sit waiting for their tinder no shows. I flirt with them and run game just for practice, but I can't fathom their hamstering about how they deserve a "hawt" younger guy with $$ that's going to swoop in and play "save a ho" with all their insane baggage and age.

Your case is a bit younger but sounds the same.

[OregonToSoCal]

(08-12-2015 11:03 AM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

I find people who ask others' advice then refuse to act on it incredibly infuriating.

OP, you need to wake the fuck up.