[Deepdiver]

Ahem - we are dealing with women here and how to game them right? Or am I living in an alternative universe...

Women lie every time they take a breath - awake or asleep. Women wear high heeled shoes to make their asses look like they do brazilian butt lifts daily and actually it is the cock carousel butt lifts they are doing nightly. Women wear push up bras to take off ten to twenty years of gravity and make them look perky like they are still 18. Women wear spanks ironically the same spanks that made their brand inventor a self made billionairess - thats a lot of droopy flab being rearranged to look like an hour glass jessica rabbit figure, women wear heavy perfume to mask the stinky chlamydia bacteria infested snatch smell they get from being the town bike. Faces - very few have the Marquardt Golden Ration face see http://www.beautyanalysis.com/articles/ and http://www.beautyanalysis.com/featured/y...p-surgeon/

So what do women do to compensate - even 18 yo women?

1. Colored eye iris contact lenses in vivid blue or green to look like an exotic Nordic Teutonic Slavic snow leopardess beauty - to mesmerize men.

2. Foundation to counteract their smoking and drinking all night partying and random hookup wicked ways effect on their chalky skin and make them look youthful and healthy.

3. Blush too make their cheeks look rosy and fresh as though they did not loose their virginity at 14 with the entire Jr. High Ballers teams.

4. Eyeliner and fake eyelashes to look like they have large estrogenated eyes and a slimmer face to broadcast fertile femininity - Eye drops to get rid of the red eyes from all night smoking and drinking carousel riding rough love rodeos they call college and after when their Masters in Gender Blending studies barely gets them a job as a food, coffee or alcohol server.

5. Eye shadow to take your attention away from their early wrinkles and crows feet from a life of bad habits and bad decisions.

6. Lipstick, lip liner, and lip gloss to give them a wet look implying their mouths and subliminally their vaginas are warm and wet waiting to be rode hard by you.

7. Hair color - Women change their hair color and style with their moods and state of their mental health or lack thereof.

Then after this they wear body contour bandage and optical illusion dresses to give you the visual illusion of their jessica rabbit playboy playmate penthouse magazine hotness.

Must I go on - fact is women lie and lie and lie - they will tell you they are good girls when they are crazy sluts banging for bucks or hiding deep psych issues like vegan-ism, liberalism, feminism, genderblenderism, or use of Psychotropic meds for BPD, BiPolar, Schizos, Depression, Anxiety, etc etc.

And we are discussing whether or not we should be white knight sir Galahads when faced with their Army sized armory of ingrained female lies and lying as a matter of course - Really?

It has been reported here on RVF and ROK many times that our modern women are shallow and vapid when it comes to what gives their twats the tingles when they are out to mingle.

They search on multiple smart phone apps for buff Christian Gray self made 28 yo billionaires with Blue Eyes, Six packs, minimum 6 feet tall size 12 shoes (hands and dicks proportional) and under 35 years old only interested in one special snowflake like them and their walking talking lying made up and glammed up faces, bodies and asses. WTF lets get real here.

So I am 5'10.5" - I say I am 6ft, I am 2XL the truth and say I have strong military man's hands better to man handle them and fuck them raw bull rider style. I say I am 42 and that was more than a decade ago. I say my net worth is in the multiple of millions when it may only be a couple mill on a mark to market basis so I am selling future payoff for that rare bangler willing to be my loyal wing woman and work at helping me succeed as my personal assistant, research assistant, private secretary, nightly sex fwb. I say I am former elite military and tend to keep my word and commitments as long as they are reciprocated.

So am I lying or telling the truth? Truth is I do both to advance my own red pill money making babe banging agenda.

You would be wise to go red pill alpha prime as well meaning to put your own agenda and personal interests and desires above all others and let them ride or die for you.

[almohajem]

Deepdiver, you are a seasoned member. I think you have more experience with women. But I disagree with lying.

I think lying (especially to women) is not something to be proud of. But instead to shame. I did it a few times (and it can work really well and give good results), but I regret it.

If you are lying, it means you are not happy with yourself.

If you are not happy with yourself, you have bigger issues than getting laid. You have more things to do and achieve in life than banging women.

And I don't have lots of experience and my notch count is inferior to 10, but I have found that aggressiveness pays orders of magnitude more than lying.

I made some lies to women. It made them interested in me, but it never results in a bang if you are not aggressive enough.

I learned this the hard-way and I become as aggressive as fuck. My rule is to escalate to bang or eject. From the first meeting, and very early on. It worked for my last 2 notch count. I'm still experimenting but will write about it once I do 10+ notch count with it.

[Samseau]

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If you are lying, it means you are not happy with yourself.

I wish I could say lying is bad for you, but it's really not. The longest relationship I've had thus far was with a 19 year old girl and I lied about my age the entire time. She never found out, and the relationship ended because she became unhappy with other things. Regardless, was I not happy with myself? In fact I was extremely happy! Getting hot pussy for telling a lie, no matter how big or small, is awesome. The fact is, unless you lied you wouldn't have banged her so there is zero loss for the man to lie.

The only counter-argument I can think against lying is that it's bad for other people and society - a sin in God's eyes. But damn it sure is good for you.

[Deepdiver]

In a marxist feminist obamunist SJW dominated and now SCOTUS ruled all things gay is good fluffy unicorns and vivid rainbows anti red pill conservative male world we are forced to deal with - the ability to be ruthless in the management of your career and relationships will in fact make the difference in your ultimate success and failure in this increasingly harsh and male hostile world - there is good and evil in this world and what we conservative alpha men were taught to be as good in our youth is now seen to be evil in a Gay Loving rump riding SJW gone mad and truly evil new Obamanation.

Diplomacy is the art of lying gracefully, To be an alpha neoman you must be ruthless in the pursuit of your own survival and therefore your ultimate success and pleasure will require from time to time that you be able to lie with conviction.

No matter how much the idealist's bubble demands that you be naive and be truthful in all you do - ancient wisdom commands that because we all live in a world of dissemblers, deceivers and worse now glorified sodomists and rampant heroin addicts and their vicious media SJW sponsors one must know when to be good and when NOT to be good and use that knowledge according to the necessity of the case.

In the US Navy Nuclear Submarine force we had a saying that it is much easier to get forgiveness than permission. This is more true now than ever. We all have to grow up and face the harsh realities of this world sooner or later. There is the (religious) utopia of the way the world could or should be and then the harsh realities of how the world really is.

No need to moralize or pontificate with me and the other hard core red pill Neomen of distinction here further as we are all more knowledgeable about morality and the harsh realities of the world we live in than you can imagine - especially those who took the oath, put their life on the line to defend our nation and served with honor.

LOL I assure you I am quite pleased and happy with the man I am and the life I enjoy along with the occasional hot piece who adores me and a good cigar and scotch chaser after I have enjoyed a victory lap of hot sex with her. Warriors have a special appreciation for the simple pleasures of life.

I allow no man nor woman to judge me except myself and my maker who made me into a ruthless nuclear sea warrior from a long line of land and sea warriors who could all be counted on to deliver victory in our countries darkest hours of need. We are the ones who ultimately judge what is right and moral. Deception is the first and perhaps greatest skill in the art of war. The highest form of Generalship is to conquer your enemies without the use or loss of your soldiers and treasure via yes deception - your armies, navies and now air forces and treasure to be preserved for when your land truly needs them. This is the harsh truth and the reality of life in the world in which we live. To think otherwise is the purview of childhood fantasy which men must eventually put away when they take up arms and become true alpha Neomen.

[civpro]

That instinct, that feeling, deep inside your gut that knaws away at you and stops you from lying, is there to help others and not yourself. Disregard it and lie to your dick's content.

[rvlefty]

If they ask of your living situation, "I have a roomate."

[Spiritus]

Maybe some white lies every now and then, but I wouldn't go to extreme lengths. It would feel to me like 'another person' and not your true self made it possible, which I think would lead to unhappiness or doesn't give the same gratification.

I'd compare it with playing video games with cheat codes. Sure, it's fun for a while, but it ruins the experience.

However, if it works for you, go for it, but be ready to accept any shit that comes with it.

[chyamor]

I lie pretty much 10 seconds into a new tinder/cupid match and 30 seconds if in person.

[Cobra]

Deflect but make it fun..

"I live in the jungle with monkeys."

"I live under a bridge and I'm a troll."

"It's complicated."

The last one above is more complicated than the previous because it makes you serious. My point is, be fun. It the truth comes later after she likes you, it won't matter.

The problem is you're allowing it to come up too early. Not easy to handle I know but it can be worked on.

I've unconsciously used these types of comments before and the girls this works on are quite fun. The ones it doesn't are serious and you probably don't want them anyways.

Edit: Thinking too much about how you're not being true to yourself and lying are detrimental to your game because you see the whole thing as a serious task to be worked on rather than seeing it as a fun thing to enjoy. Again, difficult, but can be worked on.

[Orson]

People are missing the basic point: why are the OPs targets of opportunity devaluing him for his living situation? My guess? They are looking for demonstrated independence because they are looking for a provider to marry.

Therefore, either find different targets (with more mutual interests) and be honest - or else bend, exaggerate, or creatively lie to get your dick wet and happy!

At this point, once you have achieved this - the power in the relationship has changed to you. Then you face the issue of how to regulate your contact, if you both are interested in more. At this stage, you've got her hooked to some degree. And therefore you have the Alpha-responsibility of deciding how much and how often you want to enjoy her company.

If she is HOT to see you again, then you have MORE power. If not, then...no. In either case, your power is enhanced by distancing yourself, or otherwise creating barriers or limits to another meeting.

One strategy is to be busy at "work" or "traveling." To be "studying" means - for most women seeking a life partner - you aren't earning your worth! Thus, they devalue you.

The more emotionally and intimately oriented your partner is, the more interested in demonstrations of means, earning power, and respectability she is! If you can't demonstrate that directly, then do so indirectly. Keep playing the indirect game.

For example, take her to spend the evening or night at a friend's home. ("Borrow" it for a night from a friend!) Say that he is travelling and you have to check in on his place - "let's stay!"

On any date, changing environments ALWAYS increases interpersonal intimacy.

If - over time - a female becomes more attached, your "white lie" deceptions WILL usually be forgiven, when you have to reveal them. And by all means, string out the deceptions as lon as you can in a good-natured playful way! (After all, you hold the self-sufficient - ie, male rationale - trump card: females reject me for more modest of heart-warming self and dedication to your future and father.)

Remember, the first and best reason to date a woman be pursued sexually is for fun! Romance, sex and seduction ought to be fun and stimulating! If that means lying, it's all part of the game of entertaining and romancing - isn't it?

It gives a woman some drama in her otherwise dreary life (and same for you! Win=win) - obstacles for "love"- or at least positive regard and feelings of attachment - to overcome! And later, stories to tell and entertain her GF with. All of these benefits of "playing" are of real value for young women.

[carolinasmash]

Lie if you want to just bang or have a mini relationship tell the truth if you are in a LTR mind set wanting to build something. I once told a big lie to a girl because at the time I just wanted to bang her but after several months I ended up falling for her and decided to confess hoping I could salvage my integrity and live happily ever after but needless to say that fucking failed. Now as a guy who does not really give a shit about LTR's I will be happy to say whatever to go one and done fast. I'm holding out at least for the next few years. Only you know what your priorities are.

Once you or whoever break trust in a relationship there is no going back no matter how good it is. It's doomed so keep that in mind.

[Vincent Chase]

This is one of the top Youtuber's for make up and shite on Youtube

Her face without the makeup is a fucking disaster. Look at how many likes she gets for the 10 layers of facepaint.

Make up your own mind about lying. But a good proportion of women are lying and manipulating you all the time.

[subterfuge]

If it wasn't for lying, i'd have never had my one and only 'single night lay'!

She was 18 in a bar, but she was very ambitious and 'driven' and hinted too a friend of mine earlier that night, that that's the sort of guys she wanted.

I told her I was a marketing executive when I was actually a truck loader. I told her I was 22 when I was like 30. I told her I had my own cool place when It was actually my brothers. I told her I'd had girlfriends/proper relationships in the past when I never had.

I'm pretty much certain that without them lies (or at least some of them) she'd have never let me bang her.

So I say, lie away!!

[Hypno]

the best reasonsnot to lie are because its false, its a bad habbit, it can be a lot of work, and fundamentally its incongruous.

some people put out some good reasons how to do it in small doses, etc. its still dangerous, but their comments are valid.

another approach is to try to flip the script a bit. what you are doing is virtuous, caring for a parent. emphasize the virtue, or neg her for her lack of compassion. while this sounds like the less well-trod path, it is, but you can often have more success by standing out and excelling in a different quality than simply being superior than others on the regular qualities (looks, wardrobe, etc.).

I once had a picture of me playing with my niece, who was about 4 years old. I was down on the ground playing in her world. It used to really flip chicks' attraction switches. this was something I stumbled upon, but it makes sense.

your situation with your father has some similarities. Not saying its as easy as flipping out a picture of you playing with a toddler, its not, but you have another angle to this. Also, from the gist of your post, you feel like you are being held back by your situation. What you need to do is affirm to yourself that you are doing something compassionate and true, and yes in some ways its a sacrifice but its worth it. Also emphasize anything else about the situation - maybe you have a larger house in a better area than you might otherwise afford, or have savings or something. so look at your situation from another angle. I think doing so will be more effective than fibbing because it will reframe your inner game.

finally, there is a limit to what you can realistically fib about - eventually they are going to be over to your house and see your housing situation.

[LeoneVolpe]

The easiest way to win a game is to tell someone to play by a set of rules you ignore. The government wants us to obey all sorts of laws, but certainly has no problem breaking those laws themselves. Same goes for relationships with women, they lie all the goddamn time yet want honesty from men? Telling the truth might make you feel all "warm and fuzzy" on the inside, but objectively speaking, honesty certainly isn't always the best policy.

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“Any man who tries to be good all the time is bound to come to ruin among the great number who are not good. Hence a prince who wants to keep his authority must learn how not to be good, and use that knowledge, or refrain from using it, as necessity requires. - Niccolo Machiavelli, "The Prince"

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"The promise given was a necessity of the past: the word broken is a necessity of the present." - Niccolo Machiavelli, "The Prince"

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XVIII. How a prince should keep his word

How praiseworthy it is for a prince to keep his word and to live with integrity and not by cunning, everyone knows. Nevertheless, one sees from experience in our times that the princes who have accomplished great deeds are those who have thought little about keeping faith and who have known how cunningly to manipulate men’s minds; and in the end they have surpassed those who laid their foundations upon sincerity.

Therefore, you must know that there are two modes of fighting: one in accordance with the laws, the other with force. The first is proper to man, the second to beasts. But because the first, in many cases, is not sufficient, it becomes necessary to have recourse to the second: therefore, a prince must know how to make good use of the natures of both the beast and the man. This rule was taught to princes symbolically by the writers of antiquity: they recounted how Achilles and many others of those ancient princes were given to Chiron the centaur to be raised and cared for under his discipline. This can only mean that, having a half-beast and half-man as a teacher, a prince must know how to employ the nature of the one and the other; for the one without the other is not lasting.

Since, then, a prince must know how to make use of the nature of the beast, he should choose from among the beasts the fox and the lion; for the lion cannot defend itself from traps, while the fox cannot protect itself from the wolves. It is therefore necessary to be a fox, in order to recognize the traps, and a lion, in order to frighten the wolves: those who base their behavior only on the lion do not understand things. A wise ruler, therefore, cannot and should not keep his word when such an observance would be to his disadvantage, and when the reasons that caused him to make a promise are removed. If men were all good, this precept would not be good. But since men are a wicked lot and will not keep their promises to you, you likewise need not keep yours to them. A prince never lacks legitimate reasons to color over his failure to keep his word. Of this, one could cite an endless number of modern examples to show how many pacts and how many promises have been made null and void because of the faithlessness of princes; and he who has known best how to use the ways of the fox has come out best. But it is necessary to know how to color over this nature effectively, and to be a great pretender and dissembler. Men are so simple-minded and so controlled by their immediate needs that he who deceives will always find someone who will let himself be deceived.

I do not wish to remain silent about one of these recent examples. Alexander VI never did anything else, nor thought about anything else, than to deceive men, and he always found someone to whom he could do this. There never has been a man who asserted anything with more effectiveness, nor whose affirmations rested upon greater oaths, who observed them less. Nevertheless, his deceptions always succeeded to his heart’s desire, since he knew this aspect of the world very well.

Therefore, it is not necessary for a prince to possess all of the above-mentioned qualities, but it is very necessary for him to appear to possess them. Furthermore, I shall dare to assert this: that having them and always observing them is harmful, but appearing to observe them is useful: for instance, to appear merciful, faithful, humane, trustworthy, religious, and to be so; but with his mind disposed in such a way that, should it become necessary not to be so, he will be able and know how to change to the opposite. One must understand this: a prince, and especially a new prince, cannot observe all those things for which men are considered good, because in order to maintain the state he must often act against his faith, against charity, against humanity, and against religion. And so it is necessary that he should have a mind ready to turn itself according to the way the winds of Fortune and the changing circumstances command him. And, as I said above, he should not depart from the good if it is possible to do so, but he should know how to enter into evil when forced by necessity. - Niccolo Machiavelli, "The Prince"

Pay particular attention to that last line.

[Robert Plant]

One of my buddies is short, handsome and an amazing talker. He spends a ton of energy on getting laid and will do almost anything to get laid including lying. Does he bang a lot of women? Yes. Dumb, insecure girls sure do love themselves a con man, clown, especially a short one.

The problem is, when things blow up for him, they blow up big time. For example, I have seen girls go from all over him to very cold in seconds. Not to mention his relationship with his main girl is pretty dysfunctional.

I only rarely lie and usually only about my age. I waste a lot less energy than him and only get laid slightly less (probably because I don't approach as much). Things almost never blow up for me. In other words, if a girl is into me, I almost always convert. Best of all my main girl is totally cool/ low drama and I can sleep at night.

I tend to think lying is a sign of deep seeded low self esteem. Deep down, I am very confident and women who aren't half retarded find this super sexy.

[General Stalin]

Makeup girl is still only a 6 even after all that makeup. Damn.

I lie sometimes. The majority of my lying is to protect females' feelings and egos. If I'm seeing a girl and she asks me about my night and I was on a date I'm not going to tell her I was on a date and hooked up with some other girl because that would make her upset for no good reason at all. I will tell her I hung out with some friends or something like that. Besides that I try to be pretty genuine. There are some pointless things I have lied about to girls and they dig at me. I am shitty at bullshitting pointless lies.

[Mr. Ripley]

It's not lying, it's exaggerating.