[Windom Earle]

They need to look back to their Lebensborn program, sans the eugenics.

[Libertas]

The thing that I noticed immediately is that despite the immigration, Germany's labor force is still declining. Looks like the crux of the economic argument for mass immigration is gone unless you want to have even more immigration.

Really the population decline is actually a good thing for the world going forward because of resource limitations, but we still have these assumptions of infinite growth that the elites are just trying to push full force. The result is you're going to have a stagnant or declining economy, only now coupled with mutual alienation caused by multiculturalism in a single space. This combination has never resulted in anything good.

Some things could stave off this future, but I think it's the likeliest one.

Also yes, second and third generation immigrants do have less kids. The problem is they keep bringing new immigrants in full-force.

[lemko]

(06-01-2015 02:04 PM)Socrates Wrote:  

Women having babies is misogynist.

I noticed the dumb #ineedfeminismbecause trending again early this morning. One of the top tweets was: "I'm going to be a hell of a lot more than just a wife and a mother one day."

So patronizing and clueless at the same time.

Sad. Being a wife and a mother were once the two greatest honors a woman could have.

[Parlay44]

(06-02-2015 07:58 AM)lemko Wrote:  

(06-01-2015 02:04 PM)Socrates Wrote:  

Women having babies is misogynist.

I noticed the dumb #ineedfeminismbecause trending again early this morning. One of the top tweets was: "I'm going to be a hell of a lot more than just a wife and a mother one day."

So patronizing and clueless at the same time.

Sad. Being a wife and a mother were once the two greatest honors a woman could have.

Men were made for working. Women were made to pop out babies and make men sandwiches. That's it. That's the grand plan of the universe.

[Sourcecode]

Every German Chick I know has told me..Its not that German chicks all want to be career women.
Its that German men have no game.. and as a whole fail to lock down women

[StrikeBack]

(06-02-2015 08:13 AM)Sourcecode Wrote:  

Every German Chick I know has told me..Its not that German chicks all want to be career women.
Its that German men have no game.. and as a whole fail to lock down women

Perhaps true.

I have a German friend. He's tall and handsome, but....very German, so rather Game-less. Until his late 20s, he couldn't get a GF there to save his life, and suffered from serious depression at some point. Then he went to Brazil, and got practically worshipped by much hotter women. Now he's married to a Brazillian girl and has a few kids.

Problem solved for him, not so much for the still-childless German women who didn't want him.

[Foolsgo1d]

(06-02-2015 07:43 AM)Libertas Wrote:  

The thing that I noticed immediately is that despite the immigration, Germany's labor force is still declining. Looks like the crux of the economic argument for mass immigration is gone unless you want to have even more immigration.

Really the population decline is actually a good thing for the world going forward because of resource limitations, but we still have these assumptions of infinite growth that the elites are just trying to push full force. The result is you're going to have a stagnant or declining economy, only now coupled with mutual alienation caused by multiculturalism in a single space. This combination has never resulted in anything good.

Some things could stave off this future, but I think it's the likeliest one.

Also yes, second and third generation immigrants do have less kids. The problem is they keep bringing new immigrants in full-force.

Can you really compare the majority of German born workers with those who come from countries with neither German or English as their first language or a similar work ethos?

I don't see how a company in a demanding, tech-savvy economy can employ these people in such numbers that it will bring about obscene profits.

You need to teach them how to speak, understand and write the language before training them on anything else.

Immigrants with skills and language ability are more than welcome but lets be honest here, the majority of those crossing the med as we speak or have been doing for the past few years do not match this criteria.

[freeuser]

(06-02-2015 08:13 AM)Sourcecode Wrote:  

Every German Chick I know has told me..Its not that German chicks all want to be career women.
Its that German men have no game.. and as a whole fail to lock down women

That´s bullshit. I know Germany well, it´s not that men have no game. It´s that they don´t give a shit.

It´s never been easier to get laid than today. Why marry? Why buy the cow, if you get the milk for free? I know a lot of attractive women, that can´t lock down an Alpha, they keep getting pump and dumped. It´s tragic actually.

Of course there are betas, but women don´t give a fuck about them. It´s generally similar all over the west.

[lskdfjldsf]

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I don't see how a company in a demanding, tech-savvy economy can employ these people in such numbers that it will bring about obscene profits.

Indian, Pakistani, and Eastern European programmers are much cheaper than local graduates. The employers I've worked for either outsourced development to Belarus and Pakistan, or built teams locally around sponsored foreigners. This is standard across European markets. Costs are kept low (critical for tech startups and small businesses) which does help the economy. It's also a tax revenue boost and helps to supplement the tax contributions of low birth rate natives. To remain competitive in technology/information based economies, it's imperative that qualified, skilled immigration is allowed.

However, the bulk import of unskilled immigrants through EU free movement policies, refugee/asylum policies, and EU/UN family reunification policies must end. The overwhelming majority of foreigners in Europe fall into this category. It drains welfare funds, permanently alters demographics, destroys the native culture, increases crime, and is a chronic source of tension and conflict. I support laws that would limit the percentage of non-EU residents to 2-3% of the population, and limit EU migrants to 7%. No more than 10% of any EU country may be foreign born. Priority would be given (and exceptions would be granted) to skilled workers that help the economy as described above, but unskilled immigration in all forms would be abolished.

The native birth rate issue must be solved culturally. Government tax incentives, media campaigns, and the promotion of traditional values in politics would bring the rate to replacement levels.

[Samseau]

(06-02-2015 04:26 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

Quote:

Whatever your answers are to the above questions, none of the answers will be "the Europeans/Americans choose this."

Do you believe that Americans are completely blameless in whatever happens to them, and are helplessly controlled through the actions of outside non-American groups?

While the consequences of certain ideological movements that led to now wasn't completely known, the former and current American elite threw their people and culture under the bus for promises of more power and money.

But the elite and the people are two different things. Remember Marcus:

"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague."

At most, we can fault the natives for remaining ignorant and refusing to confront the problems before they grew too large. There has been a tremendous amount of moral and cultural corruption that many accepted unthinkingly, such as the "Greatest Generation" doing jack shit while their country waged war against an innocent Vietnam and their children debauched themselves with free love and drugs all day.

But even still, if you were a moral man back in the 1950's who saw all of the problems festering within The District Of Corruption as well as the youth, what could you have done to stop the tidal wave? Most Americans felt powerless and did what they could to protect their own self-interests, as America was built on nothing more than noble self-interest (help yourself and immediate neighbors when you can).

So the culpability cannot be reasonably be placed at the feet of the people, although they are not blameless. I still believe a significant minority of the people would repent and turn all this shit back if they believed they could be successful. But tragically, the majority of Americans today believe in lies and nothing will convince them otherwise.

Realistically, the internet is the only hope for organizing and salvaging what we can out of a once great civilization so we can take it forward to the next one.

[civpro]

Germany must be incel hell.

[ssvle]

As a native German, I'd like to chime in, mostly summing the points and adding my observations.

- Germany has no culture for kids or family at all. You don't talk about kids, you don't see many of them and usually people complain about noises from kids and similar stuff. Instead we have, in my opinion, a dog culture here, those ridiculous little paris hilton dogs can be seen quite often.

- What the quote from the thread opener said, is very much believed to be the soultion to solve the problem here: they expect women to participate more in the workforce toi reduce the decline. We all know where this is going.

- Germany is a an extermely materialistic culture, not in a sense of amassing money or using it to gain power, but in a sense of consumerism. German will evaluate your income, maybe not directly, but on a subconsious level. My own sister and all of her friends have a weird tendency to compare bags, cars, buy useless stuff, clothes etc, but that's only one of many examples which I have seen.

- German women also heavily beliebve in having a job. Where do you work or what do you do is going to be one of the first questions which you'll hear from them. Your job, preferably at a corporation, defines you. And yes, bitches can talk all day about this.

- There are several forum threads covering the weird attitude of German women (there was one where an american went for three months to Hamburg, he found that they were socially retarded or something close to it. Which I think as well).

- There is a all kind of weird shame because of Nazi crimes in WW II.

- Statistically speaking , Germany will have around 62 million inhabitants in 2050. If immigrants from Africa continue to come in here at a rate of half a million per year, maybe it'll be more people here

- In terms of fucking, Im pretty sure there happens enough here if you have access to social circles. There is no hook up culture here though.

For me perosnally, there is nothing going on. If I hadn't bee ntravelling constantly the last years I'd not have gotten any action... I'm below average height at 170cm (this is important here) and look a little below average face wise, but sure am not a gremlin.And I'm not the IRT (blond / blue eyes).

So for me I decided to build a f-you money fund, which I'll use to get out of this shit country in around 10 years.

Just yesterday I was first at a language meetup for spanish (which I speak fluently now), however it was mostly Germans. Obviously I hit the jackpot and was sitting with an ugly fatso female (these are also becoming more common here), an unattractive chick and an extremely good looking German dude. Dude was bragging about his job (have lived in Toronto, Mexico, Peking, and wherever), about how he finds 30 new friends in DUblin when he goes out one night and the chicks were also bragging about places where they had been to (a quite common phenomenon in German women btw).

Contrastly, a spanish language tandem shot me a text when I was there that I should join them becuase she was grilling with her sfriends from Spain. The spanish people were just nice and it was a nice evening hanging with them. No bragging, chill people, nice atmosphere... a stark contrast.

[Parlay44]

[rudebwoy]

(06-01-2015 11:37 PM)KorbenDallas Wrote:  

Not true. They were mainly killed by disease. But also, they were forced to abandon their traditional culture and gender roles once forced on the reservations. Sitting bulls followers who made it to Canada fared much better than those who submitted to reservation rule.

The story of the reservations is similar to what western nations resemble today. Giant reservations.

In my opinion.

Sorry you are wrong, many tribes were killed in war. Yes, some were killed from diseases, the famous act of providing blankets that were covered in small pox.

I don't see how Western nations are reservations. You aren't forced to live in a camp or compound. People that choose to live like that are wealthy and live in gated communities.

Germany is a rich country like Japan, rich country equates to women having money and becoming materialistic.
When I date a girl from Eastern Europe, she will make it known a few months in the relationship that she wants kids. Western European women don't sing that song, they act like they don't have a biological clock.

[speakeasy]

(06-02-2015 05:26 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

(06-01-2015 11:37 PM)KorbenDallas Wrote:  

Not true. They were mainly killed by disease. But also, they were forced to abandon their traditional culture and gender roles once forced on the reservations. Sitting bulls followers who made it to Canada fared much better than those who submitted to reservation rule.

The story of the reservations is similar to what western nations resemble today. Giant reservations.

In my opinion.

Sorry you are wrong, many tribes were killed in war. Yes, some were killed from diseases, the famous act of providing blankets that were covered in small pox.

I don't see how Western nations are reservations. You aren't forced to live in a camp or compound. People that choose to live like that are wealthy and live in gated communities.

Germany is a rich country like Japan, rich country equates to women having money and becoming materialistic.
When I date a girl from Eastern Europe, she will make it known a few months in the relationship that she wants kids. Western European women don't sing that song, they act like they don't have a biological clock.

Exactly. This isn't an issue of barbarians at the gate as some are trying to make this out to be. Whites are crumbling from the inside out. Nobody is imposing this on them. They have willfully adopted their self-destruction. Blacks are also self-destructing in their own way, and some in the black community too want to blame outside forces for their own demise rather than than face the fact that this is a home-grown problem.

[Driesinator]

This is happening everywhere in the West.

It's as worse or maybe even worse here in Belgium.

Only people making alot of babies are the immigrants from 3rd world countries. And there's alot of them.

I won't even talk about my beautiful native Ireland, it's already a lost cause. Meeting an Irishman 50 years from now will be a very rare occurrence.

Glad i'm getting the f*ck out the West.

Western Women , culture and politics aren't worth it anymore anyway.

[lskdfjldsf]

Quote:

This isn't an issue of barbarians at the gate as some are trying to make this out to be. Whites are crumbling from the inside out. Nobody is imposing this on them. They have willfully adopted their self-destruction.

If we say women should be at home and caring for children, we're called sexists and misogynists. If we speak against immigration and multiculturalism to preserve our heritage, we're called racists, xenophobes, and white nationalists. It's not about having thin skin or just wanting to voice an opinion, people lose their reputations, jobs, and go to prison for speaking against the things you say are self-imposed.

The heterosexual white male has no advocate in society. Hidden in obscure corners of the web are websites like this, CH, or MPC which offer some limited sanctuary, but self-advocacy in the mainstream is completely taboo. As the "window" of what constitutes acceptable discourse is determined by media, journalism, and entertainment, it's worth investigating what control (if any) whites have in these fields. The results are hardly surprising.

[ATTA]

Regardless of what we call it or whose is to blame, white people around the world are going extinct.

Lands that have been traditionally theirs' since recorded history will within the century be completely overrun by people who are not white. Its simple. Its a fact.

[kosko]

(06-02-2015 08:13 AM)Sourcecode Wrote:  

Every German Chick I know has told me..Its not that German chicks all want to be career women.
Its that German men have no game.. and as a whole fail to lock down women

I've herd this also many times, that basically the German men are sackless and give thier women no tingles such as what is happening in Japan.

You game a German girl the right way and she is hungry for dick. I have found them the most easy to swoop among international girls. All I had to do was run caveman game and it was over. All would bring up how it was a "change" from the cuddly cooing German men who wanted to take things slow lol.

I am sure the few German top dogs are cleaning house in their homeland but the average German man is likely sexless, or maybe has checked out for other types of girls. Lots of mixed German babies these days so maybe many German men are fleeing their, at times, robotic women for more exotic tail.

[Hotwheels]

(06-02-2015 08:01 PM)kosko Wrote:  

(06-02-2015 08:13 AM)Sourcecode Wrote:  

Every German Chick I know has told me..Its not that German chicks all want to be career women.
Its that German men have no game.. and as a whole fail to lock down women

I've herd this also many times, that basically the German men are sackless and give thier women no tingles such as what is happening in Japan.

You game a German girl the right way and she is hungry for dick. I have found them the most easy to swoop among international girls. All I had to do was run caveman game and it was over. All would bring up how it was a "change" from the cuddly cooing German men who wanted to take things slow lol.

I am sure the few German top dogs are cleaning house in their homeland but the average German man is likely sexless, or maybe has checked out for other types of girls. Lots of mixed German babies these days so maybe many German men are fleeing their, at times, robotic women for more exotic tail.

So seemingly, just like Japan, the majority of German's have essentially become manginas due to 70 years of self loathing.

[floor7]

(06-02-2015 03:27 PM)ssvle Wrote:  

For me perosnally, there is nothing going on. If I hadn't bee ntravelling constantly the last years I'd not have gotten any action... I'm below average height at 170cm (this is important here) and look a little below average face wise, but sure am not a gremlin.And I'm not the IRT (blond / blue eyes).

Should've played in the Bundesliga mate. 170cm footballers can pull, no problems.

[rudebwoy]

I don't like to bash other men, Canadian women like to talk the same trash about men in Canada. German women are saying their men are boring, they forget that their brothers and fathers must also be boring.
Germany is the richest country in Europe, they have a high standard of living. SSLVE lives there and is basically stating the women are damaged, no different than most women in the west.
My buddy was in Ibiza last summer and "dated" two older German ladies, both nice looking and childless. It probably didn't even cross their minds about having children, by the sounds of it they are all about their careers and money.
Why are we complaining? Most guys on the forum don't want kids.
It seems so easy to blame other people, in this case immigrants.

[Samseau]

(06-02-2015 09:16 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

I don't like to bash other men, Canadian women like to talk the same trash about men in Canada. German women are saying their men are boring, they forget that their brothers and fathers must also be boring.
Germany is the richest country in Europe, they have a high standard of living. SSLVE lives there and is basically stating the women are damaged, no different than most women in the west.
My buddy was in Ibiza last summer and "dated" two older German ladies, both nice looking and childless. It probably didn't even cross their minds about having children, by the sounds of it they are all about their careers and money.
Why are we complaining? Most guys on the forum don't want kids.
It seems so easy to blame other people, in this case immigrants.

Who's blaming immigrants in this thread? Quote a single person please.

[Sourcecode]

Am I gonna be labeled a Nazi if I say that all the good German women that you would never expect..are out getting busted in by Turkish and Black guys?
The thing is..it's a stereotype that neither group wants to settle down with the women.
I've heard all the stereotype and notions that Turkish guys have of German women. Germany still seems to want to stay homogenous even with the political correctness. Droves of interracial couples aren't getting married


German guys are out at the bar drinking to a stupor with no game.

After being a liaison between so many study abroad programs, I found it hilarious that so many Germans come abroad, American girls go for that accent and next thing you know..he is trying to marry her.
It's either that or he gets no girls at all.

At least one guy, every year I was around is marrying an American girl.

On the other hand American guys either didn't get laid ounce or they got laid multiple times, because German chicks crave sex..a bit of aggressiveness at the right time goes a long way.
German chicks just can't stand the spineless guys that wait months to do basis social circle approaches.

[AnonymousBosch]

(06-02-2015 08:01 PM)kosko Wrote:  

You game a German girl the right way and she is hungry for dick. I have found them the most easy to swoop among international girls. All I had to do was run caveman game and it was over. All would bring up how it was a "change" from the cuddly cooing German men who wanted to take things slow lol.

A mate of mine has been for Hamburg for a couple of years and has said they respond to his brutish looks and physicality, so says I'll clean up over there too. Will be interesting to see.

I'm still thinking of Germany as a place to travel from to meet women, rather than my destination.