[Galahad]

There are some valid points here.
Birth rate is dropping since the 70s.
- The Pill
- Women's rights movement
- more women work
- rise of wealth

Wealthy countries tend to drop birth rates. This argument about outrun by immigrants is kind of true, still the 2nd and 3th generation also drops their birth rate.

From my personal environment I see this:
Long term relationships, all in all they go to be nice but still no kids. Even some are married. But why no kids? That women work is just one point, most women in Germany still want kids but Germans are scared.
They tend to make everything perfect, nice when it comes to work but in private life? A disaster.

So the guy and the girl, both wait for perfect circumstances. Till one has this job or managed that. And then, well its to late.
And the more troublesome it gets when the girl as a university degree. She spent a lot of time for it to land a nice job. And then when she has a baby she is out. Government try to give a lot of money, day care and so on, still the work environment kicks her out.
After all the years to land a descend job - not over career driven - after a baby she is out.
Kids are seen as burden in this society and in companies - some change due to the lack of skilled workers still its a more nice image to import grown up immigrants then rise kids.

The no game of german guys, not able to lock down and the weird behaviour of women is kind of true but well its not all.

[N°6]

Sandman was rejoicing over this in a recent video.

Although i have been MGTOW for a few months by default, this is another indication that the logical conclusion of MGTOW is oblivion and replacement.

[Phoenix]

I like what the Russians are doing: giving good mothers honours.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Parental_Glory

That goes a long way to restoring a birth rate. Making it raise social status the larger a family a woman or man has.

The West no longer ascribes any value to this. In fact its always talked of negatively, like 'it costs a lot and you get nothing for it'. In Japan's case I guess it detracts from them hiding in offices, which is more gratifying to them than anything else life has to offer for some reason. I'd be amused to see the birthrate stay low if the Emperor start awarding medals and titles to women based on number of children and age of marriage and first child etc.

[Beyond Borders]

(06-02-2015 08:13 AM)Sourcecode Wrote:  

Every German Chick I know has told me..Its not that German chicks all want to be career women.
Its that German men have no game.. and as a whole fail to lock down women

Every woman from every country, city, or small town anywhere throws their local men under the bus this way.

[Animal doctor]

As someone who has spent most of his life in Germany, this is not surprising to me. There are a number of factors, but one of the biggest in my point of view is that the effects of feminism have been particularly damaging in Germany:
First, Feminists in Germany have one big advantage that they utilise in order to push their agenda: Nazi Germany. Unfortunately, the Nazis are in a way associated with the image of the alpha male.
Since then, being an Alpha male and living by traditional standards can easily been labeled as inappropriate right-wing behaviour. This is frequently used against anyone who speaks against leftist and liberal policies such as uncontrolled immigration from muslim countries. Labelling somebody a Nazi for speaking out simple facts such as muslims being overrepresented in all crime statistics is the German liberal's prime weapon of choice.

Many german guys have little to no game, and many have adopted a white knight mentality. Plus, marriage laws in Germany are quite repressive to men: You generally loose a big part of your income as well as your kids (although it seems that won't be an issue any more soon)

Also, I have found Germany to be one of the worst countries for game. Have never been to Denmark but it is probably very close.

[Phoenix]

^Exactly, BB. Outside of Germany, German men are kings. 'Game' is the bullshit that eminates from women being too stupid to deduce valuable male qualities, being deluded they have all the time in the world, and all feeling entitled to the top 1% in spite of what they themselves offer.

I hear the same bullshit about Japan. Them 'not having game', them not being enough of X or Y. The fact of the matter is that the culture is supportive of them slaving over books and then hiding in an office, and little else. No one is taught about how to demonstrate attractive qualities, or what those even are. They're just driven from the lively energetic children they're born as to become robots. And now, that programming doesn't even involve starting families.

This isn't the era of plagues. Below-replacement birthrates are a direct result of cultural pathology and nothing else, and are completely correctable with proper cultural leadership.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markadomanis...-americas/

Clearly, less democracy is better. Like I always say, constitution is everything. Japan needs it's house of peers back, the UK needs its house of lords back, and the US and germany need to devolve their federations more, and replace a few states with peer upper houses.

[Galahad]

(06-06-2015 06:42 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

(06-02-2015 08:13 AM)Sourcecode Wrote:  

Every German Chick I know has told me..Its not that German chicks all want to be career women.
Its that German men have no game.. and as a whole fail to lock down women

Every woman from every country, city, or small town anywhere throws their local men under the bus this way.

When I left Germany the first time for a travel, well maybe I had no game for a German man - China, Hong Kong or South American places, I was kind of scared of the reaction women gave me. Also in other European countries. Positive reaction of course.

[BoiBoi]

(06-02-2015 08:13 AM)Sourcecode Wrote:  

Every German Chick I know has told me..Its not that German chicks all want to be career women.
Its that German men have no game.. and as a whole fail to lock down women

Faulty argument in this discussion or would you generally assume that Italian or Spanish guys (both countries also have a very low reproduction rate close to Germany's) have no game either?

[azulsombra]

(06-06-2015 06:42 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

(06-02-2015 08:13 AM)Sourcecode Wrote:  

Every German Chick I know has told me..Its not that German chicks all want to be career women.
Its that German men have no game.. and as a whole fail to lock down women

Every woman from every country, city, or small town anywhere throws their local men under the bus this way.

Excellent observation.

Most women are never content.

I've been to over 30 countries and I've never visited a place where the women didn't complain about local dudes. On the contrary I've been to several places where the guys, (although always interested in some exotic poontang) have stated they were satisfied and boasted about their women.

[emilian]

I suspect California...US and England is next.

[Beyond Borders]

(06-06-2015 02:27 PM)azulsombra Wrote:  

(06-06-2015 06:42 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

(06-02-2015 08:13 AM)Sourcecode Wrote:  

Every German Chick I know has told me..Its not that German chicks all want to be career women.
Its that German men have no game.. and as a whole fail to lock down women

Every woman from every country, city, or small town anywhere throws their local men under the bus this way.

Excellent observation.

Most women are never content.

That's true to an extent, but I suspect it has more to do with painting themselves in a superior light than it does with any real discontent. It's their way of distancing themselves from their origins and showing that they're "better than that" without explicitly spelling it out. So I'd say it is more rooted in insecurity, status grabbing, and positioning themselves as more of "a catch" than anything else.

[Tex Pro]

Germany is defeated nation.

It will slip away into oblivion and that will be that.

[Galahad]

(06-07-2015 05:50 PM)Tex Pro Wrote:  

Germany is defeated nation.

It will slip away into oblivion and that will be that.

Nations fall and rise and the western world is at the edge in the moment in general. Compare to other European countries Germany does quite well. I hear time by time those comments or something like oh all the glory days are gone. Not quite sure about such stuff.
European nation had its peak when there were high birth rates, young men spread out to conquer the world. Not the Muslim world has this youth bulk and thats why they case trouble. Many young men but no opportunities for them.

Anyway the government try to spend a lot of money on the issue of low birth rate but money just a part of it. The anti kids mentality and the women are forever kicked out of a decent job when they have a baby is some other reason.
Germany is not hungry any more. People grow up in peace and wealth for a long time. They ask not any more what to gain in life just how to make it more joy for them.

Its like rich kids that are not as hungry as some kid from a not that wealthy family that want to gain success in life. Still the desire for kids and family is kind of there but the environment is not 1950s any more.
I guess promotion of family could be better and the money support should be better coordinate with other programs.

[freeuser]

I start wondering what type of people you guys surround yourselves with, when I read the way germans are dismissed in this thread. Saying that they have no game etc.
I personally know a lot of native german Alphas here in the Bundesrepublik that pump and dump the german Bitches on a regular basis. Yeah, blue pill betas that have onitis, exist as well. But like in every country in the west.

Most young elite men, are terrified to get married, have children or even get in a LTR because of the general entitlement and demands of western women and the ridiculous anti male laws, regarding marriage and divorce, that are enforced in most of Europe and North America.

It´s just way easier and more satisfying to keep p & d these women. Of course these girls will then complain to foreigners that there are not any real men left, that Germans have no game bla bla bla

But it´s pretty much resentment because they can´t lock an Alpha after hitting the wall.

[Phoenix]

Freeuser, if you read back up the thread, you'll find that 'german men have no game' was allegedly said by a woman. Best not to imagine slights to get angry at, when there are already plenty of real ones.

[freeuser]

(06-08-2015 06:03 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  

Freeuser, if you read back up the thread, you'll find that 'german men have no game' was allegedly said by a woman. Best not to imagine slights to get angry at, when there are already plenty of real ones.

vvvv

(06-02-2015 09:04 AM)StrikeBack Wrote:  

(06-02-2015 08:13 AM)Sourcecode Wrote:  

Every German Chick I know has told me..Its not that German chicks all want to be career women.
Its that German men have no game.. and as a whole fail to lock down women

Perhaps true.

I have a German friend. He's tall and handsome, but....very German, so rather Game-less. Until his late 20s, he couldn't get a GF there to save his life, and suffered from serious depression at some point. Then he went to Brazil, and got practically worshipped by much hotter women. Now he's married to a Brazillian girl and has a few kids.

Problem solved for him, not so much for the still-childless German women who didn't want him.

(06-02-2015 08:13 AM)kosko Wrote:  

I've herd this also many times, that basically the German men are sackless and give thier women no tingles such as what is happening in Japan.

You game a German girl the right way and she is hungry for dick. I have found them the most easy to swoop among international girls. All I had to do was run caveman game and it was over. All would bring up how it was a "change" from the cuddly cooing German men who wanted to take things slow lol.

I am sure the few German top dogs are cleaning house in their homeland but the average German man is likely sexless, or maybe has checked out for other types of girls. Lots of mixed German babies these days so maybe many German men are fleeing their, at times, robotic women for more exotic tail.

(06-02-2015 08:13 AM)Hotwheels Wrote:  

So seemingly, just like Japan, the majority of German's have essentially become manginas due to 70 years of self loathing.

And I´m not even german. It´s just that this perception, doesn´t correlate with what I see. Sure there are betas, like in most places. But the problem, the way I see it, with the birthrates, has more to do with the incentives for men and and the media indoctrination, than with a lack of game.

[FANATICAL]

Left wing ideology caused this to turn democracy into ideocracy. They deliberately allow uncontrolled immigration because the only thing that stops the inevitable nationalist revolt against their high taxing social engineering is if you look to your left and your right and the guy is also your tribe, reminds you of yourself, his family reminds you of your family and you all rise up...

[Libertas]

(06-06-2015 05:21 AM)N°6 Wrote:  

Sandman was rejoicing over this in a recent video.

Although i have been MGTOW for a few months by default, this is another indication that the logical conclusion of MGTOW is oblivion and replacement.

Quintus said it best - MGTOW is essentially sitting on the side of the road and watching while the infantry is marching to the defense of your homeland. The MGTOW guys have no future.

[JacksonRev]

At least there's still 50 million German-Americans.

Which also illustrates how to successfully grow a people. Why are Germans (followed by the Irish), the largest group in the US, when they were originally English Colonies?

Two main reasons.

One, the English settled smaller areas in the Northeast, and when they spread out to larger areas in the South, they used slave laber. The Germans used child labor. More kids meant more land could be farmed. My father has over 90 first cousins. My family tree is ridiculous. So, if you want a growing population, family business minus child labor laws is the way to go. It's fun, too, because you get to spend more time with your dad than some bureaucratic flunky.

Second reason the English came in fourth is they culled their own population quite a bit during the Civil War, which left a vacuum that the Germans, Irish, and Africans filled on their way out west.

The Mormons are definitely trying for an English comeback, though.

[Libertas]

It's widely known that the English is an undercount. Most people who are not recent arrivals (post-1965) probably don't even know they have some form of English ancestry in the US if they haven't already reported it.

[Pontifex Maximus]

The low birthrate of Japan and Germany aren't due to their their men having no game, nor modern feminism. I also highly doubt that there is a congregation of Arabs and Africans conspiring to demographically displace European populations.

Nature will always win, no matter how civilized we have become. In the long-run to maintain birth/death rates of Earth, each couple must produce ~2.1 offspring. That is a mechanism hardwired by nature. The German-born population is proportionally shrinking because of economic wealth. They can produce less offspring because they can fall back on technology/medicine to increase chance of offspring survival. In addition to the low birth rate, add the famous German work ethic, ethnic homogeneity and relative wealth equality. There is no major disease/war to pump up the death rate. Simply put, German culture and people have nothing to fear, because their living conditions have effectively eliminated the death rate. They work hard to consume goods, and fornicate occasionally to replace their own place on Earth.

On the other hand, endowing economic/medical benefits to those from developing nations will create a birth rate boom. Why? They are programmed to create more than 2.1 kids/couple because they didn't previously expect all of their kids to survive childhood. If I suck at basketball and I need to make 2 shots, I'll just take more in anticipation, right? When they emigrate to a developed nation, they cause an ethnic takeover because they are still pumping out 7 minority children versus the German couple who are pumping out 2 children exactly. Poor people who receive living standard upgrades need to calibrate their birth rate calculations to match death rates.

In Europe/Japan/North America, we have practically reduced the death rate to nothing, but we still have people jacking like fuckrabbits. We cannot blame the Germans or Japanese for not reproducing enough, as they are only abiding by a biological limitation. What should be done is:

1) Stop irresponsible women from pumping out a child annually. (Lower birth rate)

2) Developed nations need to stop offering "blank check" economic asylum to those from other nations. (Maintaining birth/death rate)

Note: This info came from Prof. Gregory Clark, and I also took his class in person. Roosh also recommended his book shortly after:

http://www.returnofkings.com/46514/why-a...s-are-poor

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

Germany should do this.

[Galahad]

Read an article today - with a Minister of a state. Kind of a governor. About the low birth rate he said: He did his duty and has kids (2) and also the government build up kindergartens and KITAs. Kitas some sort of day care for kids that are too young for kindergarten. Also there is money support for families and parents have the right to stay at home from work. Some time before the birth and up to 3 years after birth. They keep their job and the government give the parents money.
But he also said at the and its not a government issue to control and force the people. Its not the GDR or the Nazi times any more. Its a market demand and an issue of the parents.

I mention it before, its mostly the mindset of Germans itself. To make everything perfect. Waiting for the perfect moment. Furthermore kids are extreme expensive. Also keep in mind, even when every women just get 1 child, the birth rate drops. So some said here stuff like no game and no sex. Thats not direct true. You need at least 2 kids to hold the population. One kid marriages or relationships don't keep it.
Read also some statistics. About 30 % of women with academic background stay childless, from the non academic ones its still 20 %. Add the just one child attitude and the birth rate also drops.
The few non educated women that have 4 kids from 6 dads don't save Germany.