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MGTOW (Sandman) On Roosh and Neo Masculinity
05-22-2015, 04:07 PM
Quote: (05-22-2015 04:06 PM)Libertas Wrote:
MGTOW is a lot like feminism in that regard. It denies the true nature of the sexes. To deny that men receive tremendous benefits from the company of good women and that we somehow shouldn't care for it is an oblivious denial of the true nature of men.
We badly need a neo-feminine movement.
Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. - H L Mencken
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MGTOW (Sandman) On Roosh and Neo Masculinity
05-22-2015, 04:23 PM
Quote: (05-22-2015 04:07 PM)Teedub Wrote:
We badly need a neo-feminine movement.
While "Return of Queens" and the follow-up "Kings and Queens" failed (
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-43253.html ), time will tell if sites like JudgyBitch (
http://judgybitch.com/ ) get traction with women.
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MGTOW (Sandman) On Roosh and Neo Masculinity
05-22-2015, 04:30 PM
Lol if your hopes for a neo-feminine movement are pinned on a woman who picks out a name like Judgy Bitch for herself, you'll be "hoping" for a looooong time...
The feminine women will simply be the women that masculine men choose for themselves. The story of my namesake, The Bostonians, is an excellent literary example of this phenomenon.
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MGTOW (Sandman) On Roosh and Neo Masculinity
05-22-2015, 06:19 PM
The weakness of MGTOW is that while it does do a good job of telling you what to avoid and to not let yourself be sucked into today's cultural programming, it has very little to offer that is positive. So you managed to avoid getting roped in by a gold digger and you aren't buying into blue pill narrative which is all very good and well. But what next?
Every now and then you see a comment about how these forums are too angry and bitter but I can tell you it's nothing compared to what would see at a typical MGTOW forum. That's what happen when you offer nothing but negative advice ,the meaning of negative her not meaning "bad" but as in the advice is merely a negation, telling you what not to do without giving you something positive in place of it. Tell all these guys constantly about how horrible society is for them all the time and it shouldn't be a surprise if these guys end up like feminists, thinking the world at large is out to get them. You need to also offer them an escape route and hope.
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MGTOW (Sandman) On Roosh and Neo Masculinity
05-22-2015, 10:21 PM
While Sandman has some good Red Pill insights he is a MGTOW who completely denies Game and whose goals are to make greater amounts of money and later on hire surrogates, buy eggs and get his own IV-child. Essentially he plans to become a single father having full ownership of a child completely avoiding female involvement.
But I wonder a bit about the huge amount of money he wants to accumulate if that is not designed to attract easy sex or P4P as well.
In any case - those MGTOWs who actually have success with women and can have easy relationships with them, but still go their own way are few and far in between. Most are just helpless at it - well how could they want to master it if they deny Game and then are left with "women are bad right now" as their only mantra.
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MGTOW (Sandman) On Roosh and Neo Masculinity
05-22-2015, 11:06 PM
Sandman has good insights, but it is very depressing to watch his videos on the long run. I unsubscribed a long time ago, I realized it is not helping me in any way.
Deus vult!
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MGTOW (Sandman) On Roosh and Neo Masculinity
05-22-2015, 11:58 PM
I liken MGTOW to running away as a child, hiding from parents and enjoying the fact that they are worrying or missing you.
Only no one cares that MGTOW are GTOW.
I initially found it attractive but having "matured" it seems irresponsible.
Surly, if there is a chance of turning the tide on western civilization it won't come about by MGTOW nor women with blogs.
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MGTOW (Sandman) On Roosh and Neo Masculinity
05-23-2015, 01:49 PM
You can't deny that MGTOW does serve a purpose in that it reduces the number of men that women get to choose from. I see its value in reforming the dating market back to men.
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MGTOW (Sandman) On Roosh and Neo Masculinity
07-05-2015, 06:32 PM
MGTOW was one of the first websites I began to read when I first got into the Manosphere a few months ago. I have watched some of Sandman's and Bar Bar's videos and I feel that they share a lot of deep insight on the nature of women and the current condition of Western society. They are insightful in their exposition of feminism and the damage it is doing to our generation, and they espouse a go-your-own-way libertarian worldview which jives well with me, but I see a big problem with their philosophy and that problem is that it all comes to a dead end.
They don't offer any viable solution!
It is as though their objective were solely to rebuke and punish women rather than offer a strategy on how to make male-female dealings more positive and workable.
Many of them reject game and justify its rejection by asserting that learning how to give women what they want in a man only feeds the gynocentric matrix! Their logic is like feminism inverted!
Game isn't about giving in to the gynocentric matrix. It isn't a ritual to pander to the desires of women. It can be seen as a self-serving means for getting access to pussy, for one's own pleasure, or as a reasonable technique for leveling out the playing field and improving our male-female interactions for the mutual benefit of both parties, a practical way of undoing the damage that modern feminism has caused for both sexes.
Original Manosphere on the other hand gives real pragmatic solutions.
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MGTOW (Sandman) On Roosh and Neo Masculinity
07-05-2015, 08:18 PM
^ Yes I have never understood MGTOW's claim that game panders to women when in fact game is manipulating women's emotions for your own benefit as a man. Sex without marriage and typically around 3-10 hours (depending on the woman) of investment. Compared to what men in the past had to do for sex (marriage for life!!!) game is a bargain.
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MGTOW (Sandman) On Roosh and Neo Masculinity
07-06-2015, 04:26 AM
I could only watch a few seconds of that video, the monotonous computer generated voice was so awful it was uncomfortable just to hear.
And what is this "Migtau" nonsense. Are these guys that can't get pussy?? Why do they feel the need to get together?? Do they bum one another like horny dogs???
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MGTOW (Sandman) On Roosh and Neo Masculinity
07-28-2015, 02:33 AM
This whole MGTOW business strikes me as a % of men who are trying to rationalize the closeting away of their natural and inherent desires. Coupled with that, I could take a wild guess that these dudes are either too scared to embrace Game, or indeed took it for a few swings, but fell to the canvas within the 1st round.
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MGTOW (Sandman) On Roosh and Neo Masculinity
07-28-2015, 09:23 PM
You are truly a man of refinement and eloquence.
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MGTOW (Sandman) On Roosh and Neo Masculinity
07-28-2015, 09:52 PM
You aren't a "real" MGTOW if you have to tell everyone that you are MGTOW.
You aren't a "real" MGTOW if you even consider it a "movement" in anything other than the physical sense of the word.
MGTOW is an action, it's a state of being. Its closer to "neomasculinity" than many of you would think.
The term has been utterly perverted. Or rather, the word "MGTOW" has been applied by a group of men who idealized the lifestyle but were never, and will never be one. Really, the only person I've ever heard from online who is even close to this term was Pook. You won't find a single one on the red pill reddit. Not a single one.
Should you come across a "real" one, you won't even recognize until you reflect on it later. Many of these rare men can "game" a woman like a fish breathes water. I use quotes around "game" because they rarely will have acknowledged it as a thing - you may find one easiest in the brooding, dark musician who never seems to lock down a steady girlfriend but continues to have a revolving door of women in his life. They're the type of guy who old flames from years back still wonder what they are up to. And dear lord, they are very rare. They are better off recognized as a subset of the term "natural alphas" that PUAs use.