[jariel]

(05-18-2015 12:12 AM)Eskhander Wrote:  

Relevant: http://nypost.com/2015/04/27/city-birth-...epression/

Quote:

More New Yorkers are keeping their nests empty.

The city’s birth rate is the lowest since 1936 — having steadily declined over the past decade, according to data obtained by The Post.

“This is a very troubling trend,” said Conservative Party state chairman Mike Long. “The economy is hurting families and the development of families.”

“If we don’t produce enough young people, society won’t be able to pay for Social Security and Medicaid,” he warned.

In other words, there won't be enough Peters around for politicians to rob so they can make sure the Pauls can get paid.

[The_CEO]

(05-18-2015 12:30 AM)jariel Wrote:  

(05-18-2015 12:12 AM)Eskhander Wrote:  

Relevant: http://nypost.com/2015/04/27/city-birth-...epression/

Quote:

More New Yorkers are keeping their nests empty.

The city’s birth rate is the lowest since 1936 — having steadily declined over the past decade, according to data obtained by The Post.

“This is a very troubling trend,” said Conservative Party state chairman Mike Long. “The economy is hurting families and the development of families.”

“If we don’t produce enough young people, society won’t be able to pay for Social Security and Medicaid,” he warned.

In other words, there won't be enough Peters around for politicians to rob so they can make sure the Pauls can get paid.

And you end up with a city like Detroit when the cops and firefighters and no one else gets paid either.

[YossariansRight]

These slores are missing out on a kinda HUGE thing here... The large majority of "Mad Men" era chicks didn't have ANYTHING close to the notch count the majority of modern day slores do. Nor were the majority of them taking pics/videos of their debauchery.

Its common sense and basic math you fucking retards: Men worth anything aren't going to view a used up slut for anything more than a used up slut. WTF don't these idiots understand? That there are consequences to their actions? Duh..

So much for STEM then, 'cause these mental midgets would have learned in Physics 101 that every action (in this case, riding the cock carousel) has an equal and opposite reaction (you look like and are viewed as a used up cum dumpster).

[YossariansRight]

(05-17-2015 01:31 PM)N°6 Wrote:  

For the article to make sense, these women now in their 30s and 40s, would need to have the views they held in their 20s referenced.

This would allow the reader to learn how these women acted - not in the Mad Men era - but in the era of Sex and the City when they could have married a dozen suitors.

Fucking "Sex and the City" has been more destructive then a nuclear war.

[YossariansRight]

(05-17-2015 01:40 PM)Basil Ransom Wrote:  

Axiom #1 of tribal thinking: The Things We Don't Like cannot be caused by The Things We Like.

If you determine that Something We Like has caused Something We Don't Like, you are wrong, see Axiom #1.

It's an ad-libs game. Just fill in the blanks. Divorce, feminism. War, "Being Tough on Terror" - it works for both left and right. Typically for social issues, the left is guilty, the right for foreign policy issues, and libertarians for immigration.

Maybe you find a really honest tribesman and back him into an intellectual corner. He will issue:

The Really Honest Tribesman's Concession

"Ok, maybe the Thing We Liked caused The Thing We Don't Like. But... we cannot Turn Back The Clock back now. It is Too Late."

Why not? Of course you can "turn back the clock." What the tribesman is really saying is that he prefers having the current dysfunction than admitting his ideology is flawed, destructive and unattainable. The tribesman will have to renounce his tribe wholesale, and typically take up a new one, before he will do so. But his whole life is invested in the tribe and its way of life (e.g. the career woman), so this is very difficult and unlikely, except at critical junctures of his life, where he may choose which cultural tribe to declare his fealty to (e.g. when a woman goes to college, or gets married). Plus even the honest tribesman will concede only when the error of his ways becomes exceedingly apparent and abundant, and not before - projections of the consequences of his approach hold no weight with him, no matter how well grounded.

Well done!

Confucius: “The beginning of wisdom is to call things by their right names”.

[Glaucon]

(05-18-2015 12:30 AM)jariel Wrote:  

(05-18-2015 12:12 AM)Eskhander Wrote:  

Relevant: http://nypost.com/2015/04/27/city-birth-...epression/

Quote:

More New Yorkers are keeping their nests empty.

The city’s birth rate is the lowest since 1936 — having steadily declined over the past decade, according to data obtained by The Post.

“This is a very troubling trend,” said Conservative Party state chairman Mike Long. “The economy is hurting families and the development of families.”

“If we don’t produce enough young people, society won’t be able to pay for Social Security and Medicaid,” he warned.

In other words, there won't be enough Peters around for politicians to rob so they can make sure the Pauls can get paid.

Yeah, well this happens if social security is built like a pyramid scheme

[Sonsowey]

Feminisim means having a domineering man in a suit take you out to drinks and treat you like something to be desired.

[Libertas]

Six months ago, there was a moral panic over catcalling in NYC. Just a month or so ago this stupid feminist group illegally defaced public property by putting up "no catcalling" signs. The obvious implication here is that it's wrong to assertively express interest in a girl you like.

Now they basically say men are emasculated and aren't men. They no longer desire women. They no longer take charge and be well...assertive.

Which one is it?

Also note that this story is in the Post, which is a publication that leans right as far as it's feasible in New York to do so. I wonder if this would even be mentioned in other papers. If it was, it'd probably be more humorous still, with talk about how "gender roles haven't kept pace with expectations" or something.

[Parlay44]

Hey if women are going to lower the bar that men have to jump through for sex then what do you expect? It's a poosy fire sale.

Think about it. If women decided one morning that no sex before marriage was the standard then men would be forced to marry their asses. But again they want to give poosy away for free then expect men to pay for it when they are ready to "settle down".

[Basil Ransom]

"I met a student - a safe 7 - in Belfast, a more conservative part of the UK (Calvinist and Roman Catholic). At 21, she had 20 notches. What age is the average man when he reaches 20 - if ever?"

Young British women fuck more people than the young men.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopi...n-men.html

[vinman]

(05-17-2015 01:39 PM)Dusty Wrote:  

It's always funny when the cock carousel stops, to see how dumbfounded broads are realizing feminism was a sham.

I stood up at my desk, and did the cheesy slow motion clap.

[Dusty]

(05-18-2015 10:57 AM)vinman Wrote:  

(05-17-2015 01:39 PM)Dusty Wrote:  

It's always funny when the cock carousel stops, to see how dumbfounded broads are realizing feminism was a sham.

I stood up at my desk, and did the cheesy slow motion clap.

We need a gif for when woman realizes her looks are gone and the gravy train is over. Maybe a screen shot of that broad Gavin McInnes eviscerated, the point where her mouth is wide open.

[MrLemon]

(05-17-2015 01:40 PM)Basil Ransom Wrote:  

Axiom #1 of tribal thinking: The Things We Don't Like cannot be caused by The Things We Like.

If you determine that Something We Like has caused Something We Don't Like, you are wrong, see Axiom #1.

It's an ad-libs game. Just fill in the blanks. Divorce, feminism. War, "Being Tough on Terror" - it works for both left and right. Typically for social issues, the left is guilty, the right for foreign policy issues, and libertarians for immigration.

Maybe you find a really honest tribesman and back him into an intellectual corner. He will issue:

The Really Honest Tribesman's Concession

"Ok, maybe the Thing We Liked caused The Thing We Don't Like. But... we cannot Turn Back The Clock back now. It is Too Late."

Why not? Of course you can "turn back the clock." What the tribesman is really saying is that he prefers having the current dysfunction than admitting his ideology is flawed, destructive and unattainable. The tribesman will have to renounce his tribe wholesale, and typically take up a new one, before he will do so. But his whole life is invested in the tribe and its way of life (e.g. the career woman), so this is very difficult and unlikely, except at critical junctures of his life, where he may choose which cultural tribe to declare his fealty to (e.g. when a woman goes to college, or gets married). Plus even the honest tribesman will concede only when the error of his ways becomes exceedingly apparent and abundant, and not before - projections of the consequences of his approach hold no weight with him, no matter how well grounded.

Brilliant, Basil.

This scene has re-played itself out a million times in a million cultures. Every small tribe in the Amazon, every nomadic group in the steppes, every European petty kingdom.

Mass denial by the members of the tribe.

And how does all this finally end up? Always, always the same way: War, revolution, and death, until the flawed "tribal thinking" is eventually discredited.

[MrLemon]

From Twitter:

From: Mother, grandmother, great-grandmother, etc.
To: 40-something NYC girl lamenting no husband/kids.
Message: Told you so. Slut.

[lemko]

(05-18-2015 12:02 AM)N°6 Wrote:  

A very significant and apt video from Sandman on this subject. Why? It is based on the experiences of a heterosexual man who has had a genuine (i.e. not a Beta/ White Knight) longterm friendship with a woman who is now panicking. Being as close as her brother, this man has complete knowledge of her carousel days and how she banged two housemates on the same day.

Quote:

Female Panic - MGTOW

"Hi Sandman, This is Chris from Austin. I am 33 now, and as I've been following MGTOW for a year. It is very interesting to get a front row seat of the carousel hitting the wall. I have a female friend who is also my age and lives in another state. We've been friends since the 8th grade. We've never dated, and I view her as a sister. And we tell each other everything. She's never been married and was once upon a time very good looking in her 20's. She still maintains a healthy body, but her age is starting to show especially with no makeup on. She's also a very astute businesswoman, but her romantic life is one flaming disaster after another, and I hear everything about it. And, no, I'm not secretly white knighting, and hoping to win her affections. Rather, I'm enjoying this candid learning opportunity. I am, after all, MGTOW for life. In her 20's she was the typical sorority girl and then a carousel rider in the company we both worked at. As an example, I was witness to her intimate with 2 guys we worked with, who were roommates, in the same day. She also told me she wouldn't be with a guy because she didn't like the size of his package. That's the type of girl she was/still is. Now, in her 30's, guys will still be intimate with her (too many to count), but these 'relationships' end, usually with the guy pursuing another girl. Which crushes and torments my friend. She has become absolutely unglued. She asks me, 'Why won't anyone see value in me?!' and also blames her insecurities on her bad relationship with her father. Its gotten to the point where she asked if she could send me revealing images of herself so I can critique her body. She's fully convinced if she was just a bit skinnier, it would all work out. I said no to the pictures, and she's perfectly in shape. The last guy she was with is a self made millionaire, who dumped her for a slightly OLDER yet prettier woman. I'm guessing her profound remorse has more to do with the resources she messed up getting, than the potential romance. Although she constantly told me how lucky the guy was and that she wasn't the type of girl to focus on his money. This is the epitome of how I've read how it goes. Pretty girl rides carousel in 20's, gets constant validation and guys chasing her, yet nothing concrete develops. The Girl enters her 30's, starts to lose the battle with younger women, yet still has the high standards when she was in her prime. She can't get anyone to commit and I suspect she isn't as focused on romance as she claims, but more on her window of opportunity on kids and locking down a husband with resources is narrowing everyday. MGTOW talk a lot about marriage and divorce, but these never-married 30 year old women is desperation I've never seen. They would never be this needy at 25 years old. I don't have the heart to tell her, when she calls me crying (actually wailing), what's really going on -- that her arrogance has caught up with her.

A revealing comment from a student of a British university:

McLovin Life Wrote:

I'm a university student in the U.K., recently there was a study within our institution which showed the average number of partners for girls 21 and below was 30.

30.

Who the hell wants that shit?

I met a student - a safe 7 - in Belfast, a more conservative part of the UK (Calvinist and Roman Catholic). At 21, she had 20 notches. What age is the average man when he reaches 20 - if ever?

Thirty? If she was a car, she'd be a beat-up taxi with several hundred thousand miles on the odometer ready for the crusher. Would any sane man pay good money for such an automobile? Why should he be expected to invest anything in a woman with that much wear and tear?

[polar]

(05-18-2015 05:49 AM)The_CEO Wrote:  

(05-18-2015 12:30 AM)jariel Wrote:  

(05-18-2015 12:12 AM)Eskhander Wrote:  

Relevant: http://nypost.com/2015/04/27/city-birth-...epression/

Quote:

More New Yorkers are keeping their nests empty.

The city’s birth rate is the lowest since 1936 — having steadily declined over the past decade, according to data obtained by The Post.

“This is a very troubling trend,” said Conservative Party state chairman Mike Long. “The economy is hurting families and the development of families.”

“If we don’t produce enough young people, society won’t be able to pay for Social Security and Medicaid,” he warned.

In other words, there won't be enough Peters around for politicians to rob so they can make sure the Pauls can get paid.

And you end up with a city like Detroit when the cops and firefighters and no one else gets paid either.

Top cities like NYC will never have a shortage of young, willing taxpayers who are trying to "make it." NYC is an IQ shredder:

Quote:

https://bloodyshovel.wordpress.com/2013/...term-gain/
Mr Lee noted how Japan refused to take in migrants and that led to the situation it is facing today.

Mr Lee said: “So I see a nation reduced to half in 20 years, and if it still continues with the same policy, reduced to a further half, and eventually, it is all over!

“To have a nation, you must have people and you must have young people to be able to drive the economy and young people buy the products — all these gadgets and fine dining — and if you don’t have that, and you refuse migrants as the Japanese do, you will just dissolve into nothingness! I think before that comes, they may change (their) policy.”

How many bright Indians and bright Chinese are there, Harry? Surely they are not infinite. And what will they do in Singapore? Well, engage in the finance and marketing rat-race and depress their fertility to 0.78, wasting valuable genes just so your property prices don’t go down. Singapore is an IQ shredder.

Quote:

How does an IQ Shredder work? The basic machinery is not difficult to describe, once its profound socio-historical irony is appreciated. The model IQ Shredder is a high-performance capitalistic polity, with a strong neoreactionary bias.
(1) Its level of civilization and social order is such that it is attractive to talented and competent people.
(2) Its immigration policy is unapologetically selective (i.e. first-order eugenic).
(3) It sustains an economic structure that is remarkably effective at extracting productive activity from all available adults.
(4) It is efficiently specialized within a wider commercial network, to which it provides valuable goods and services, and from which it draws economic and demographic resources.
In sum, it skims the human genetic stock, regionally and even globally, in large part due to the exceptional opportunity it provides for the conversion of bio-privileged human capital into economic value. From a strictly capitalistic perspective, genetic quality is comparatively wasted anywhere else. Consequently, spontaneous currents of economic incentive suck in talent, to optimize its exploitation.

http://www.xenosystems.net/iq-shredders/

Young people, particularly women, are drawn in by the bright lights of the city, and get caught in the rat race. They turn to consumerism to satisfy the desires created by marketers and finance their purchases. Success seems ever around the corner, and choice addiction ensues, with so many options around.

But what does this mean for second and third-tier cities, small towns, and villages? The best and brightest pursue the rewards capitalism offers in the big cities. Network effects of industry experts create disproportionate gains for cities ahead of the curve...

The implications for the third, fourth tier towns are enormous.

[ryanf]

(05-17-2015 01:33 PM)Game_Started Wrote:  

:: paging Gavin McInnes ::

I have a theory that he regularly browses this forum. Maybe even posts under a pseudonym.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

http://therationalmale.com/2014/09/15/al...ous-karma/

Alpha Agents of Righteous Karma we are to be.

Women will always blame men or patriarchy for their choices.

[Vitriol]

(05-17-2015 08:48 PM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  

But listen to her reasoning:

Quote:

No woman has turned down a proposal from a man she loves because she has a conference call

Maybe not literally a single conference call, but that is what a woman is doing when she puts career over family.

And:

Quote:

They can't control when they fall in love.

Ha! What they can't do is get the billionaire bad boy who, after meeting her, becomes completely obedient. So they wait and wait and keep riding the carousel until they see the wall - then settle for the next chump who comes along.

After listening to her speak I noticed 2 things - 1. No vocal fry (which is good), 2. In her whole talk she never said one thing she wants to do for a man. Never mentioned why she'd be a great wife or mother, no mention of what she'd do differently to keep a man. No, just, "I'm ready now. Boring millionaire I knew back when I was fertile - I'm ready for marriage now. I still have no qualities that would make me a good wife, if this speaking tour works out I'll probably delay marriage another 5 years, I'm too old for children and I'm still dedicated feminist but I'm ready. I'm ready for you all to line up like in my youth...any takers?" Crickets...

She's trying to give a very watered down, blameless version of the narrative that's easy for her female audience to digest. However, there are a couple of takeaways from what she's saying:

1. The idea of not being able to control when you fall in love is really a cop-out. By the time a woman who lives in a major city is 40, she's probably had numerous boyfriends, been on hundreds or even thousands of dates, and turned down even more guys than she's been involved with in some capacity. After all those years and all those guys, if not even one of them makes her get that feeling, who is really at fault? Between 2 and 3 decades of dating and relationships isn't enough time to find ONE guy?

2. Denying that devoting the necessary time to having a successful career is a factor in remaining single and childless is just delusional. Her "one conference call" idea is an attempt to trivialize that having a demanding career totally consumes you. This is even true for men. If you're one of those people living in NYC and constantly putting in 50-60 hour weeks, are you really going to be able to compartmentalize everything involving dating, relationships, and family into a few penciled-in hours a week? Realistically, there isn't enough time to do this.

3. As you pointed out, there seems to be an unwillingness to change. Even from a practical standpoint, you think some of these women might realize living in a major city where people work some of the longest hours in the world isn't really conducive to starting a family, and maybe they should relocate or make other changes if they're serious. There's no actionable advice given about how these women can change their situation, even though it's obvious.

[Troll King]

2. Denying that devoting the necessary time to having a successful career is a factor in remaining single and childless is just delusional. Her "one conference call" idea is an attempt to trivialize that having a demanding career totally consumes you. This is even true for men. If you're one of those people living in NYC and constantly putting in 50-60 hour weeks, are you really going to be able to compartmentalize everything involving dating, relationships, and family into a few penciled-in hours a week? Realistically, there isn't enough time to do this.

________________________________________________________________________________​_____

The thing that amazes me is that most women, especially these types of women, don't actually have anything resembling a career. They are typists and work in other areas that could be outsourced to AI or Indian temp workers. Most aren't CEOs or even Lawyers or doctors. They are PR managers or HR managers.

It would be one thing if they were doctors, then at the end of their life they could look back at all the people they helped or maybe the cures they found or at least the hundreds of research papers they published that will expand upon the medical knowledge and be valuable for the future. But that is not what they will look back and see.

Imagine being at the end of your life, alone and childless, and your biggest successes have to do with copy writing a press release for some new gadget or choosing the font and color scheme for a print ad. Lolz.

[CRR]

These women are also always the biggest bitches.

Anytime I meet a single woman in my age range, she's always a cunt.

On the flip side, was out with friends the other night, and met several younger women (mid-late 20s) who were very attractive AND nice. Even the gaggle of very attractive women in tight/short skirts, who looked like they could be bitchy, were very cool. No, I didn't get laid, one seemed down to come home with me, but her friend kinda cockblocked me. Yes, I did get two phone numbers, so we'll see what happens.

Anyway, as I've mentioned, even women in my social circle who are in my age range always make passive-aggressive comments in my direction. It's really weird. The stereotype of the bitchy hot girl just isn't true. Nor is the shy, nice girl always a prude (they all want to fuck).

But this idea that these women are successful career women who are great catches but just can't meet the right guy (which is what all of these articles say in one way or another) simply isn't true. It's because they have always vastly overrated their SMV based on feminist notions that don't exist, or at least don't consider the fact that men have free will to choose what they want.

It's probably why they are such cunts, because deep down they know it.

[Foolsgo1d]

(05-18-2015 01:27 PM)lemko Wrote:  

(05-18-2015 12:02 AM)N°6 Wrote:  

A very significant and apt video from Sandman on this subject. Why? It is based on the experiences of a heterosexual man who has had a genuine (i.e. not a Beta/ White Knight) longterm friendship with a woman who is now panicking. Being as close as her brother, this man has complete knowledge of her carousel days and how she banged two housemates on the same day.

A revealing comment from a student of a British university:

McLovin Life Wrote:

I'm a university student in the U.K., recently there was a study within our institution which showed the average number of partners for girls 21 and below was 30.

30.

Who the hell wants that shit?

I met a student - a safe 7 - in Belfast, a more conservative part of the UK (Calvinist and Roman Catholic). At 21, she had 20 notches. What age is the average man when he reaches 20 - if ever?

The two girls I spent my first University year living with in student halls would put 30 as the average.

The thing I noticed was that the majority of these girls with significant notch counts were having sex with more men outside of university circles than those within.

Now they would sleep with the social circle kings like every other girl does but they have access to the social scene of any city they reside in during university and it is a lot of men. These men spend money on these girls like the Uni bro's couldn't.

Myself and one other guy were the only men I knew who consistently had success outside of university girls in the city we were in and we never came to the notch count these girls did, not even close.

So when a university girl says 30, it is on the low end.

[Teedub]

I'm of the opposite opinion. I knew some pretty 'liberal' girls from when I was at university and I would be extremely surprised, shocked actually, if they had a notch count of even 20 at the age of 21, let alone 30. Unless you were perhaps counting getting fingered in a toilet cubicle as a notch.

I'm intrigued to where you went to Uni foolsgold, because at both Uni's I attended - girls pretty much kept it all to social circle, and it got out when stuff happened. They absolutely weren't fucking about with local guys - none of them. A lot of them had boyfriends in Uni as well.

I just find this 30 number completely staggering and completely at odds to who I know. Only the trashiest of sluts have that many different sexual partners by 21.

That said, if I knew more girls who were on sports teams and shit - I could probably believe those numbers. I did know one girl on the hockey team though, really hot, and even she had slept with a total of less than 10 guys by 21. Maybe it's a class thing.

...and yes, I was in the fucking friendzone.

[StrikeBack]

My sister lives in NYC and is in this age group, so she has lots of friends and acquaintances like them.

Except that my sister has 3 children and is married to a rich guy. She's also a Harvard grad who dropped her career like a stone after choosing to listen to our mother over her career mentor (a childless feminist boomer who's miserable and psychotic these days).

Imagine the hate. lolz

[Parlay44]

(05-19-2015 07:50 AM)StrikeBack Wrote:  

My sister lives in NYC and is in this age group, so she has lots of friends and acquaintances like them.

Except that my sister has 3 children and is married to a rich guy. She's also a Harvard grad who dropped her career like a stone after choosing to listen to our mother over her career mentor (a childless feminist boomer who's miserable and psychotic these days).

Imagine the hate. lolz

Women need constant love and attention. They're not going to get that from a man. They can only get that from children who depend on them.