[Menace]

This is typical of modern feminism. Symbolism made to look like action. How will this improve the welfare of women and girls? It will not do a damn thing for women in general, or black women in particular. No one gives a shit who's on the bill, only the numbers in the corner matter.

It's been said here many times, but when all of your needs are met, modern women just start getting this unbearable itch, which manifests as this nonsense, and all of the other crap we see them do. All of it relies on guilting men into doing something. This is women's power. They can't actually compel anything.

[Enigma]

(05-13-2015 02:04 PM)Drazen Wrote:  

Currency is the vehicle for the aristocratic class. Those on it should represent that. Its a little old school thinking, but I think money should carry prestige.

(05-13-2015 02:25 PM)Drazen Wrote:  

Merit has nothing to do with it. Its what the person on the currency represents. Power, prestige, culture. Queen Elizabeth, Evita, Frida may not have put their lives at risk freeing slaves or working in the underground railroad, but they are important symbols about the power of a nation.

Putting someone that is not part of the aristocracy on currency cheapens it.

"Also, when you compare the accomplishments of Tubman, they really pale in comparison to many of the other females on foreign currency. The others are academics, artists, poets, royalty. Basically high status females who have contributed to the arts, politics, literature, etc. Tubman was a poor woman who freed 300 slaves through an underground railroad network. While that's certainly admirable, do you think its really worthy of putting on a currency, given the standards established in the article above by Time Magazine? The fact that she won this "poll" kind of shows the relative minor accomplishments of American Women in the grand scheme of the world."

This was what I was responding to. I even said that I don't think she should be on the currency.

[Enigma]

(05-13-2015 02:10 PM)Grange Wrote:  

Take out Queen Elizabeth who was born into her position and did nothing to earn it. Take out Evita who married into her position. Take out Frida Kahlo who was a shitty artist. Harriet Tubman easily outranks them on merit. I don't know about the others but they probably weren't risking their lives day in and day out.

The Underground Railroad was a very potent symbol despite the small number of slaves who successfully escaped. People knew it was out there and either feared it or prayed for it. It was a big deal.

Corazon Aquino, the female Philippines president, also married into her position. She took over for her Senator husband after he was assassinated.

That's not to downplay the good she did do, but she didn't even hold office before becoming president.

[Mr West]

Pick the worse historical figure currently on US currency.

Compare his mark in history to the mark in history of the best female candidate to replace him.



Get back to me with the results.

[Truth Teller]

(05-13-2015 04:00 PM)Mr West Wrote:  

Pick the worse historical figure currently on US currency.

Compare his mark in history to the mark in history of the best female candidate to replace him.



Get back to me with the results.

Of the coins/bills currently in widespread circulation:

Probably JFK. A fairly mediocre president whose brinksmanship almost led to a nuclear war. B-/C+

Of the best female candidate to replace him:

If we're talking Americans only, probably Eleanor Roosevelt. She opposed the "Equal Rights Amendment," saying that equality would come through recognition that men and women are fundamentally different. Never was a member of the government nor a national hero, so probably the same as JFK: B-/C+.

[Eskhander]

It's not about any moral argument, it's about divorcing people from history in favor of the narrative.

Jackson does not conform to the narrative, Tubman does.

To go off on a tangent, this is happening in school too.
I just called my mom, and she talked about the history curriculum in middle school.
They learn about China, Islam, Aztecs, Indus Valley etc. World History. All interesting stuff, but notice one continent that is missing? European history.
I asked why Europe was left off and she responded, "well we learn about the Dark Ages." So the lowest point.
No Renaissance, Enlightenment, or even when the European Empires grew to their most prominent stature through colonialism.

I'm likely making too much of this issue but I know kids would be more interested by a Quintus Curtius article to be honest. Not just because he's a good writer but he picks figures and periods that are interesting and inspiring.

[Grodin]

This doesn't bother me that much. I'm too lazy, and short on time, to write a thorough post but Andrew Jackson just isn't a president you want as a symbol of the nation. Yes, he was a bad-ass, but also an a-hole. He was polarizing among his contemporaries and led the way in efforts that don't paint a good legacy for our nation, in my opinion. That doesn't make me hate the guy, a lot of great men through history were ass-holes. I'm kind of an a-hole. I'm not going to stand up for him out of loyalty that I don't have towards him, because I think the symbol on our currency should represent a virtuous, American value.

He was a bad ass general though.
http://www.badassoftheweek.com/jackson.html

[N°6]

(05-13-2015 11:58 AM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  

(05-13-2015 11:52 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

Could they at least use a pre-wall picture?

seriously. People will soon be asking "why is ET on the $20 bill?"

Maybe they are preparing the masses for 'disclosure'.

[N°6]

(05-13-2015 12:45 PM)Truth Teller Wrote:  

(05-13-2015 12:39 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  

I'm sure they'd find something to bitch about in regards to Teddy Roosevelt, like his hunting or whatever, but Eisenhower is virtually unassailable. No provable evidence of racism and he led the Western armies that defeated the ultimate eternal left-wing boogeymen villains of pure evil forever and ever, the Nazis.

People will bitch about Theodore Roosevelt's belief in the White Man's Burden, and say things like "he was a racist." That is committing the sin of presentism (looking at the past through the lens of the present). In reality, TR's beliefs weren't particularly different from the majority of people at the time.

The term 'White Man's Burden' came from Rudyard Kipling's poem which was written around the time the US fought Spain in decline over the Philippines.

It was a warning to the US to not become the global policeman/ imperialist as the UK had become but to remain true to the views of the Founding Fathers that the US should keep out of international intrigue beyond exercising the Monroe Doctrine.

As we know, the US has abandoned this principle from the Woodrow Wilson era and the founding of the Federal Reserve in 1913.

[Samseau]

Pretty ironic that Andrew is on the $20 when the dude was a hater of all things banker. Wonder if he'd even want to be on the currency nowadays knowing they only come into existence via the "federal" reserve?

[JacksonRev]

I'd spend this in a one or twenty:



That way I could throw a stripper their patron saint.

Seriously though, she's a woman famous for doing only what a woman could do, not just being a shadow of what truly great men are.

[tarquin]

If we are talking about influential women, we should be talking about Carry Nation.
   


Her story, as re-told from Wikipedia, is as follows:

Besides being influential in pushing for Prohibition, she really follows the modern feminist narrative. She was poorly educated, married an alcoholic alpha doctor, then divorced him almost a year later after having his child. She used money, both from the divorce and from her father, to build a house and get a teaching degree. After that she married a man 19 years older than her and found God. Of course, finding God means that she gets to walk into taverns, traditional male establishments, and ruin them by smashing all of the liquor bottles with rocks. She divorced her second husband and went on a bar-smashing tour shortly after. She was arrested often and paid for the fines by selling souvenir hatchets. When this got her enough fame she started doing lecture tours as far as England. Oh, and she also celebrated the assassination of William McKinley because she thought he was a drinker.

Did I mention that mental illness ran in her family? She died a bitter old hag. I think it's fairly appropriate for America at this point to have her on a $20 Note.

[Rang off the Pipe]

(05-13-2015 09:20 PM)Eskhander Wrote:  

It's not about any moral argument, it's about divorcing people from history in favor of the narrative.

Jackson does not conform to the narrative, Tubman does.

To go off on a tangent, this is happening in school too.
I just called my mom, and she talked about the history curriculum in middle school.
They learn about China, Islam, Aztecs, Indus Valley etc. World History. All interesting stuff, but notice one continent that is missing? European history.
I asked why Europe was left off and she responded, "well we learn about the Dark Ages." So the lowest point.
No Renaissance, Enlightenment, or even when the European Empires grew to their most prominent stature through colonialism.

I'm likely making too much of this issue but I know kids would be more interested by a Quintus Curtius article to be honest. Not just because he's a good writer but he picks figures and periods that are interesting and inspiring.

I think it depends on the state. In New York, most high school students have to take "global studies" their first 2 years. It's basically a world history curriculum that glosses over the major world civilizations in the non-honors classes. I certainly learned a decent bit about European history even though some stuff was not really taught very deeply (post-Napoleon 1800's for example).

That being said, there is an AP-level course in European History for students who are smart enough. I took that course my final year of high school and thoroughly enjoyed the material. It covered all the political, social, and intellectual developments of Europe from the Catholic schism in the 1300's right up to the modern day. Having an enthusiastic teacher also helped.

[Lochte]

Jackson actually adopted two Indian children, and was the first President from poverty. Definitely should stay on the bill

[ATTA]

Hegel was right - partially. The End of History and The Last Man won't come to fruition with liberal democracy, but with the Western man going extinct.

Harriet Tubman ain't my hero.

[heavy]

(05-13-2015 07:01 PM)Truth Teller Wrote:  

Of the coins/bills currently in widespread circulation:

Probably JFK. A fairly mediocre president whose brinksmanship almost led to a nuclear war. B-/C+

Of the best female candidate to replace him:

If we're talking Americans only, probably Eleanor Roosevelt. She opposed the "Equal Rights Amendment," saying that equality would come through recognition that men and women are fundamentally different. Never was a member of the government nor a national hero, so probably the same as JFK: B-/C+.

I agree with Kennedy, but for one huge additional reason...Executive Order 10988

He allowed federal employees to unionize which led to unionization of the public sector.

Public sector employees are liberals, almost by definition. They want higher wages (we all do), benefits (the real boon), 3 months off (teachers), and they elect people to pander to them.

And God-forbid you feel teachers are over-compensated!

Don't ever deny the tie public sector pension funds had to the bailouts. Print money and hand it to the banks to make sure your high school algebra teacher can retire and do nothing for 35 years.

[Truth Teller]

(05-27-2015 10:40 AM)heavy Wrote:  

(05-13-2015 07:01 PM)Truth Teller Wrote:  

Of the coins/bills currently in widespread circulation:

Probably JFK. A fairly mediocre president whose brinksmanship almost led to a nuclear war. B-/C+

Of the best female candidate to replace him:

If we're talking Americans only, probably Eleanor Roosevelt. She opposed the "Equal Rights Amendment," saying that equality would come through recognition that men and women are fundamentally different. Never was a member of the government nor a national hero, so probably the same as JFK: B-/C+.

I agree with Kennedy, but for one huge additional reason...Executive Order 10988

He allowed federal employees to unionize which led to unionization of the public sector.

Public sector employees are liberals, almost by definition. They want higher wages (we all do), benefits (the real boon), 3 months off (teachers), and they elect people to pander to them.

And God-forbid you feel teachers are over-compensated!

Don't ever deny the tie public sector pension funds had to the bailouts. Print money and hand it to the banks to make sure your high school algebra teacher can retire and do nothing for 35 years.

The public sector had unionized years before Kennedy. The Boston Police went on strike in 1919.

[SunW]

(05-14-2015 07:27 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Pretty ironic that Andrew is on the $20 when the dude was a hater of all things banker. Wonder if he'd even want to be on the currency nowadays knowing they only come into existence via the "federal" reserve?

Yeah, I've very surprised he's on the bill in the first place. He is basically everything that modern America is not:

• Born in poverty and overcame it. Didn't complain or march on Wall Street and demand equality; he was a business man and failed many times, but found a way to succeed.
• Played a pivotal role in the War of 1812 (have some fun by asking Americans what this was - most have no idea that this war was ever fought or what it even was).
• Overthrew the central bank and proved that central banking wasn't necessary.
• Survived numerous assassination attempts, mostly from people (ie: bankers) who were threatened by his democratic approach to life in America.
• The only U.S. President to ever pay off the national debt. That's right, paid off all our debt. We had $0 in debt. No President has even come close.
• Was a business man, attorney, fighter. The man was all things masculine.
• Absolutely HATED by the left, which is why they love to talk about a person's flaws in general because we all know they've never done something wrong and history will be kind to them.
  

Of course, if you read revisionists (and most online sources are), you won't see very much of that list, or they'll try to spin it as negative. This is why if you ask most Americans who Andrew Jackson was, they'll say, "He's that anti-Indian guy" because that's all they've been taught (if they know at all).

[lemko]

(05-13-2015 09:35 PM)Grodin Wrote:  

This doesn't bother me that much. I'm too lazy, and short on time, to write a thorough post but Andrew Jackson just isn't a president you want as a symbol of the nation. Yes, he was a bad-ass, but also an a-hole. He was polarizing among his contemporaries and led the way in efforts that don't paint a good legacy for our nation, in my opinion. That doesn't make me hate the guy, a lot of great men through history were ass-holes. I'm kind of an a-hole. I'm not going to stand up for him out of loyalty that I don't have towards him, because I think the symbol on our currency should represent a virtuous, American value.

He was a bad ass general though.
http://www.badassoftheweek.com/jackson.html

You don't make history by being a nice guy!

[WalterBlack]

(05-14-2015 08:11 PM)kleyau Wrote:  

I'd spend this in a one or twenty:



That way I could throw a stripper their patron saint.

Seriously though, she's a woman famous for doing only what a woman could do, not just being a shadow of what truly great men are.

The Queen worked for this guy:

[Laurifer]

I vote Teddy Roosevelt.

[lemko]

(05-27-2015 12:19 PM)SunW Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 07:27 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Pretty ironic that Andrew is on the $20 when the dude was a hater of all things banker. Wonder if he'd even want to be on the currency nowadays knowing they only come into existence via the "federal" reserve?

Yeah, I've very surprised he's on the bill in the first place. He is basically everything that modern America is not:

• Born in poverty and overcame it. Didn't complain or march on Wall Street and demand equality; he was a business man and failed many times, but found a way to succeed.
• Played a pivotal role in the War of 1812 (have some fun by asking Americans what this was - most have no idea that this war was ever fought or what it even was).
• Overthrew the central bank and proved that central banking wasn't necessary.
• Survived numerous assassination attempts, mostly from people (ie: bankers) who were threatened by his democratic approach to life in America.
• The only U.S. President to ever pay off the national debt. That's right, paid off all our debt. We had $0 in debt. No President has even come close.
• Was a business man, attorney, fighter. The man was all things masculine.
• Absolutely HATED by the left, which is why they love to talk about a person's flaws in general because we all know they've never done something wrong and history will be kind to them.
  

Of course, if you read revisionists (and most online sources are), you won't see very much of that list, or they'll try to spin it as negative. This is why if you ask most Americans who Andrew Jackson was, they'll say, "He's that anti-Indian guy" because that's all they've been taught (if they know at all).

Even as a kid, Andrew Jackson was a badass. Jackson, whose family supported the revolutionary cause, acted as a courier. He was captured at age 13 and mistreated by his British captors. Jackson and his brother Robert nearly starved to death in captivity. When Jackson refused to clean the boots of a British officer, the officer slashed at the youth with a sword, leaving Jackson with scars on his left hand and head, as well as an intense hatred for the British.

[Medic42]

I have no problem with putting a woman on US currency. I just think it should be on the $2 bill. Pretty much the only place you see them is at a strip club, so I think it would honor these sex workers empowerment.

[Eskhander]

I don't often endorse monarchy, but when I do it's this guy.
No change!

   

[N°6]

(05-14-2015 07:27 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Pretty ironic that Andrew is on the $20 when the dude was a hater of all things banker. Wonder if he'd even want to be on the currency nowadays knowing they only come into existence via the "federal" reserve?

Yes it would be more honest to have the picture of a bloated Rothschild on the $20 and instead of 'In God we Trust', it should state 'the borrower is the servant of the lender'.