[CleanSlate]

First of all, kudos on your journey... I am following this with interest, and I hope to embark on a similar journey once I make enough income to become location independent.

But...

(06-22-2015 08:47 AM)262 Wrote:  

I know vengeance is ultimately a negative and self-destructive emotion, but this accidental example of it sure felt good.

I don't get it. How is this vengeance? Were you trying to bang this girl in the past, and she said that to shoot you down... or was it something random that came out of her mouth?

[262]

(06-22-2015 10:03 AM)CleanSlate Wrote:  

First of all, kudos on your journey... I am following this with interest, and I hope to embark on a similar journey once I make enough income to become location independent.

But...

(06-22-2015 08:47 AM)262 Wrote:  

I know vengeance is ultimately a negative and self-destructive emotion, but this accidental example of it sure felt good.

I don't get it. How is this vengeance? Were you trying to bang this girl in the past, and she said that to shoot you down... or was it something random that came out of her mouth?

I wasn't interested in her specifically - more or less a case of "don't shit where you eat" - but I was interested in girls like her. So she's more of a symbol than anything else.

[~wrIghter~]

(06-22-2015 08:47 AM)262 Wrote:  

Here's an accidental example of how telling people your relocation plan can be sweet vengeance, especially if you're a minority-American:

So a few weeks ago, I went out with a buddy and his girlfriend to meet another another couple we knew - a short but busty Vietnamese-American girl and her cool and ripped white boyfriend. I'm just chillin, observing, drinking my beer, and not saying much, so my buddy decides to get me involved, and lets slip that I'm retiring to Poland - not that I mind, since I'm ready for the usual questions after earlier bombardments by family and friends. Among them though, the Vietnamese-American girl asks me a new one:

"Why not Vietnam?"

Without thinking, I'm pretty sure I said something along the likes of, "I think I'll like Polish girls more," and instantly, her face goes a little sad. The conversation then resumed without skipping a beat to something related but different, but looking back at it, I realized what happened.

For possibly the first time in her life, she probably felt, by association with her Vietnamese heritage, for a brief moment at least, what most minority-American males feel for their entire lives - being passed on by some just for their race.

What's also ironic is that the same girl has said in the past that she doesn't like Asian males. But she's still curious as to why, as an Asian-American male, I didn't choose Asian females off the bat. lol

I know vengeance is ultimately a negative and self-destructive emotion, but this accidental example of it sure felt good.

Man I know that feel...and its an unfortunate reality because I love foreign women haha. Most Asian women I've approached have had just about the same preferences as your Vietnamese American friend.

To quote my buddy Mori "I believe that no girl truly knows what she is attracted to, but listens to what she thinks she should be attracted to."

Some are taught from the start, how to dress, how to act, who to talk to, whom not to talk to, and how the world works. I doubt she's immune to someone just as jacked, with better game, but of a different ethnicity.

Either way man, can't wait to read about your life in Poland. Be sure to bang a few American chicks before you leave.

[262]

Short update: began pipelining on Tinder two days ago in Poland (using a Fake GPS app). Before that, I tried out my new photos locally ( http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-45167.html ).

Bottom line: I've got more matches in Poland in just two days than I do in a week in Atlanta! Quality is higher too!

Feeling: Excitement.

Let's see how these leads convert though ...

[262]

Another short update:

1) A theory about cross-continent pipelining, albeit based on an initial and relatively quick sample: if, due to timezones, you're too busy at work to chat up your Tinder leads (or too busy at work posting to forums), don't chat them up in the first place. Just leave them matched and don't chat with them.

I think I made the mistake of opening a few that didn't obviously speak English with "Do you speak English?", only to likely come off as too aloof for Poland when I took about a day to even look back, when they responded in an hour or so.

This theory may be supported by Roosh's post about how not all women of the world want an Alpha male - just what passes for women in the Anglosphere: http://www.rooshv.com/not-all-women-of-t...alpha-male

2) As we all know, moving is a pain in the ass. Better to start preparing for it sooner than later. In that regard, for those of you contemplating going abroad, one idea you can do right now is this: sell your extra stuff as if a month from now, your life had to fit in whatever you'd take abroad (likely two checked bags, a carry-on, and a laptop bag). That way, you'll have plenty of time to get the most money for your stuff.

3) More people than I realized are at least on the Money Mustache track, secretly of course (as opposed to the red-pill track - I only know one person not from the forum who reads these forums). The Money Mustache people asked me how I could afford this, in a polite way, and when I dropped the Money Mustache name, it's like when red-pillers discover someone else they already know is also secretly red-pill.

[CleanSlate]

Quick question... (maybe we should PM about this instead of going public)

When you talk about living off the monthly interest off that $450k, where do you keep that money? In taxable/savings accounts or in retirement accounts? IRA? Brokerage?

[262]

(06-26-2015 10:47 AM)CleanSlate Wrote:  

Quick question... (maybe we should PM about this instead of going public)

When you talk about living off the monthly interest off that $450k, where do you keep that money? In taxable/savings accounts or in retirement accounts? IRA? Brokerage?

Nothing to hide below, should help the forum:

In an ideal situation, I believe you'd stick the entire $450k in two places: a traditional 401k (if you have one, and it has competitive expense ratios for its S&P 500 & ex-US index funds), and a traditional IRA (which you're free to get anywhere).

The idea is that if you're taking less interest income in retirement (just to cover your lower expenses abroad), then you'd rather be taxed at that rate (which may in fact be zero or close to it), rather than the (presumably) higher one you're taxed at when you're working.

Of course, the 401k and IRA have limits as to what you can contribute annually (Google them), so then you can contribute to an after-tax account (if you're out of other tax shelters, ie an HSA, etc). Your employer may offer an after-tax 401, which you may want to use, if the expense ratios of the index funds in it are lower than what you can get on your own. Otherwise, at that point, you're looking at taxable investments.

It bears repeating that for the $450k sum to generate $1500/mo on average, you must invest in something that has historically generated 6% nominal returns. Index funds that track the S&P 500 and its ex-US equivalent are one of them. Savings accounts (in the US anyway) are not.

[CleanSlate]

Okay, I was asking for a reason.

How do you actually get $1500 a month in spending money from those retirement vehicles without paying taxes or penalties?

Did you use the backdoor method where, for example, you contribute to a traditional IRA every month and immediately transfer that money to a Roth, and then take that money out starting after 5 years?

Or do you have some other method? I just want to learn the mechanics.

[samsamsam]

262 really hope you keep posting. I appreciate how straight forward you are and willingness to share.

[262]

(06-26-2015 01:49 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  

Okay, I was asking for a reason.

How do you actually get $1500 a month in spending money from those retirement vehicles without paying taxes or penalties?

Did you use the backdoor method where, for example, you contribute to a traditional IRA every month and immediately transfer that money to a Roth, and then take that money out starting after 5 years?

Or do you have some other method? I just want to learn the mechanics.

Man, been busy moving out of my current apartment. Anyway, to answer your question:

First, check out Mr. Money Mustache's post on taxes and withdrawals: http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2012/06/0...etirement/
Here's the TL;DR (quoting myself):

Quote:

In short, once I quit my job, I'll be in a lower tax bracket, at which point I can convert traditional 401k money into Roth IRA money and pay the associated income taxes, then let it sit for the IRS-minimum 5 years before withdrawing the principal (but not the gains) penalty-free. So basically another thing to look at after I move, when I have more time.

At the onset anyway, I'll withdraw the money from non-retirement brokerage accounts, which don't have penalties. (I built these up due to my savings rate exceeding the annual IRS limits on retirement accounts.)

[262]

Just got on the ground here in Poland late last night. Right now, it just feels like I'm on one of my scout trips, where I'm here for a day or two at most, but that should fade quickly after a few days.

That being said, I connected through an airport that was quite familiar to me (let's just say it's in the US Midwest). I used to work in the area several years ago, so I flew out of that airport quite frequently, and have good memories with family and friends there. So being at that airport yesterday made me realize that I'd now be seeing my friends and family less, which is obviously a bummer. But then I remember my low-ROI dating experience in Atlanta, which is even more of a bummer, so I'm hopeful this is the right choice.

Here in Poland, I went grocery shopping earlier this afternoon (I slept for like ten hours straight), and got the usual IOIs/stares without trying to force them. In Atlanta, my grocery bill for four days' worth of food is usually $60 (I eat a bodybuilding diet, which is more expensive). Here, it was $15! And that was at the nearby market, never mind at something like a Carrefour (as I understand, basically Walmart from the UK). No ground beef at the nearby market though, which was weird. So I subbed it with sausage.

Prior to coming to Poland, for a few days, I had to put my already meager pipelining efforts on the back burner, just to complete my move out of Atlanta on time. Shit always takes longer than you think. But damn if I was going to spend any more time in the Anglosphere than I had to. But now at least, I get to truly follow up on those leads - plus generate new ones through daygame, as well as online.

So what's next? Let's see:
1) Move clothes, etc from luggage to closets, so shit ain't all over the place, and so girls think I live here (usually when I travel, I keep everything out in the open, and not in closets/drawers/etc, so I don't forget things)
2) Consider attending the Roosh World tour in London and/or meeting 20Nation in Tallinn
3) Look into travel/health insurance
4) Look into the personal finance stuff I've been too busy to look at
5) Find a gym
6) Scout the area for logistics
7) Game

P.S. One helpful item I brought from the US is a power strip. That way, you can put any adapter on the end of the power strip, and have multiple US power outlets for your electronics, etc.

[samsamsam]

May I ask which city you landed in? Congrats on the beginning of an excellent adventure.

[262]

(07-02-2015 08:36 AM)samsamsam Wrote:  

May I ask which city you landed in? Congrats on the beginning of an excellent adventure.

Just PM'd you, given your forum rep. Will do the same for other valuable forum members who PM me. Publicly won't post my location until I leave or am comfortable here, since I stand out.

Also got to flip the flag next to my user name. Here's how I feel (it's the part from the movie Das Boot where the crew raises the ship, escaping death, and is overjoyed, including the usually calm captain).

Skip to 3 hours 11 minutes:

The best part is when the captain yells, in English, "Not yet comrades! Not yet!" Pretty much sums up how I feel about my dating life at this point.

Finally, I decided not to attend the Roosh tour in London or meet 20Nation in Tallinn. I figure I'll just meet them when it's more convenient/cheaper - no rush.

[superschalk]

(07-02-2015 10:51 AM)262 Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 08:36 AM)samsamsam Wrote:  

May I ask which city you landed in? Congrats on the beginning of an excellent adventure.

Just PM'd you, given your forum rep. Will do the same for other valuable forum members who PM me. Publicly won't post my location until I leave or am comfortable here, since I stand out.

Also got to flip the flag next to my user name. Sweet

Finally, I decided not to attend the Roosh tour in London or meet 20Nation in Tallinn. I figure I'll just meet them when it's more convenient/cheaper - no rush.

Hey 262

Following your journey with great interest. I wish you good luck and hopefully you enjoy the country. As I understand you can survive on passive income. Do you have any ideas on how you will spend your time in Poland? I mean going to the gym and dating girls is great but this will not fill up the whole day. Are you planning to go out 4-5 times a week? If yes then you might sleep during the day but if not any ideas on how to spend your days?

[262]

(07-02-2015 11:33 AM)superschalk Wrote:  

Hey 262

Following your journey with great interest. I wish you good luck and hopefully you enjoy the country. As I understand you can survive on passive income. Do you have any ideas on how you will spend your time in Poland? I mean going to the gym and dating girls is great but this will not fill up the whole day. Are you planning to go out 4-5 times a week? If yes then you might sleep during the day but if not any ideas on how to spend your days?

Thanks superschalk. Aside from posting/reading the manosphere (used many a work hour doing this), lifting, dating, and sharing my experiences with my friends and family over social media (albeit for a blue-pill audience), my thoughts are:

1) Read more about Buddhism (guess I'm finding my parents' religion in the dotage of early my 30s, lol)
2) Figure out how to become a ski instructor, mostly just for fun, with some money on the side (I raced in college and actually passed through your Sofia for a day to check the place out - your post was useful)
3) Learn a certain sport I can only do in a few locations in Europe (again, repped members, PM me for details)
4) Look into offering personal finance or resume consultations, again, mostly just for fun, with some $ on the side
5) Learn to play guitar. Maybe join a band. I also play the violin well (typical Asian upbringing), so maybe join a quartet or orchestra.

And most importantly,
6) Think about other things to put on the bucket list (when I was working and blue-pill, I didn't even bother creating one, since I didn't even have time to create one, never mind do anything off of it)

Mr. Money Mustache also has some great posts about this subject:
"Great News – Early Retirement Doesn’t Mean You’ll Stop Working": http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2015/04/1...p-working/
"Reader Story: The Man Who Thought Early Retirement Sucked": http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2013/03/2...nt-sucked/

[262]

Before I forget, I should also add:

7) Learn another language (Polish while I'm here).

[~wrIghter~]

Congrats on the move man. Finally got had my first post-game date here Tuesday. Hoping to read your game reports soon!

[CleanSlate]

You did it, man! Very inspiring!

[262]

Appreciate all the congrats guys. I have to remind myself though that I'm not posting here out of narcissism or greed. I'm just posting here to give back, and to help guys have a choice on feminism. In that light, the best thanks I could get is reading your successes. So best of luck to you all too!

[262]

More boring but necessary logistics: Getting my phone a Polish SIM card, & Transferring My US # to a VoIP Service

As I mentioned earlier in this thread, I bought a new dual-SIM GSM phone back in the US for my use here in Poland. Before I left, I took my crappy work phone's US SIM card and set it up on this phone (which involved a phone call to AT&T). It'll probably work for at least two weeks, which is likely when my large but disorganized former employer will automatically deactivate their SIM. But hey, they're automatically paying for it too - and they've paid for my international use in the past without question.

With that likely two-week deadline in mind though, today I began my hunt for a Polish SIM card. Even if my former employer never deactivates their SIM, which is possible, I'd still want a Polish SIM, so that I can show girls a local Polish number. Two sites were quite useful:

http://prepaid-data-sim-card.wikia.com/wiki/Poland

https://www.ricksteves.com/travel-tips/p...one-europe

(Both sites may also be useful for other countries.)

Based on these sites, I decided to go with Lycamobile. Here's why:
1) Cheap data rates in Poland
2) Uses the Plus network in Poland, which is supposedly the best, according to the first site (supported by the fact that my work SIM automatically chose Plus to roam on)
3) Free SIM in any size sent to a Polish address by ordering online
4) Online account management in English (yeah, bad for learning Polish, but want to hit or beat that likely two-week deadline)
5) Many agencies (resellers) around the country
6) Ability to roam/transfer to select other countries, mostly in Europe
7) Valid for 6 months without recharge (most were only 30 days)

If the SIM doesn't arrive within a week, or if my work SIM gets shut off before that, I can just head to their nearest agent (likely a convenience store).

As for transferring my US # to a VoIP service (no sense paying for US cell service if you aren't in their coverage), I'm going with RingTo. Their number porting service is fast and free (I submitted my request a few hours ago and just got an e-mail saying the transfer will happen at a certain time on July 6). That contrasts to Google Voice ($20 to port in) and Talkatone (seems you must e-mail to port your number). Reason for keeping my US #? To keep it active, and to also be able to send/receive calls/texts for free with family/friends in the US (though apps like Facebook Messenger pretty much do this anyway).

[Driesinator]

Congratulations on your move and taking your life in your own hands. +1

I'm moving to Poland myself to start a new chapter in my life just next week.

What are your observations on the ground so far (in terms of Polish girls) ?

Also, check out this site for nightclubs and to get free entrance into clubs and a view of the local talent : http://www.where2b.org/Krakow

Also, if you don't miind me asking, what part of Poland are you in?

[262]

(07-03-2015 07:14 AM)Driesinator Wrote:  

Congratulations on your move and taking your life in your own hands. +1

I'm moving to Poland myself to start a new chapter in my life just next week.

What are your observations on the ground so far (in terms of Polish girls) ?

Also, check out this site for nightclubs and to get free entrance into clubs and a view of the local talent : http://www.where2b.org/Krakow

Also, if you don't mind me asking, what part of Poland are you in?

Thanks man. Glad to hear you're starting a new chapter in your life too.

My limited observations about Polish girls so far is that most of them would at least qualify as cute 6 or 7's by American standards. They are generally more pleasant to talk to than American girls. That being said, my limits are:

1) I've only spent a handful of days in Poland across four different cities, and
2) In America, Mexicans think I'm Mexican, so in Poland, that seems to be giving me the "doesn't look like a local" bonus that you, as a white Irishman, may receive more of in Latin America or Southeast Asia - where I look like a local. Roosh has a video on this point:

Also will PM you my location.

[Driesinator]

^^ Cool. Thanks for the info.

Yeah i'm Irish but i don't look like your stereotypical Irishman. I look more Mediterranean I've got dark hair, dark brown eyes and tan skin. I'm what some people call 'black Irish', think Colin Farrell or Aidan Turner. When i'm in Greece or Spain they know i'm a white guy and when i'm in Germany or the UK they think i'm a Spaniard or Italian. Polish girls supposedly love guys with my look. Anyway, we'll see what kind of reactions i will get when i'm on the ground. I'm quite good-looking anyway so i doubt that will be a problem. Only thing i'm worried about is the bitch-shields of girls going up due to the many dipshit Erasmus students and ugly sex tourists. Maybe me staying long-term there will make it a little easier.

*Note the contrast in the video between the Polish girls and the Irish.

*2nd edit: Would bang the living daylights out of the chick at 1:16 with the red jacket.

[262]

^^ Nice. My guess is you'll be fine.

If you really want to avoid bitch-shields, switch to daygame (if you haven't already). Even in Atlanta, with daygame, I almost never ran into them. At night ... "dehumanizing" is an apt way a buddy of mine once described it. Does it take more balls, and are more girls unavailable? Absolutely. That's the price you pay for avoiding bitch-shields. But ... it's more pleasant, which actually makes the interaction, even if it goes nowhere ... dare I say it ... fun!

My guess is on the video they tried their damnedest to find Irish girls on par with the Polish ones, but still obviously failed. Even the female Irish reporter interviewing the girls thinks she's too good for Irish men - as if she were successfully employed as a full-time model! Meh, I'll try not to get too worked up about this. I don't even need to think about "girls" from the West anymore.

[262]

Ended up running some daygame yesterday after running into a few guys who were obviously doing it. No number closes, but that may have been due to an event going on in town that was drawing Poles from around the country. Lots of cute or hot targets to approach, relative to Atlanta, but obviously more pairs of girls or more, rather than single girls, due to the event.

One of the daygamers had been here for a while and knew some Polish, but obviously wasn't Polish, so that usually helped him hook the girls into the set - though he still had to work to move the set forward. That being said, no number closes for him either, other than the one I saw before I met him. Meh, chalk it up to the event or bad luck, and move forward. It almost goes without saying that he was doing better here in Poland than he would in the Anglosphere.

In the evening, the event also seemed to draw a Polish PUA bootcamp, as well as a skinny, odd-looking, and badly-dressed RSD student running crazy approaches. It'll be interesting to see this place without said event going on.

The event aside, the Polish girls were still as is generally written about on these forums - cute to hot by American standards, and pleasant. English levels are generally good, though here and there you'll find girls who don't speak it, or at least say they don't.

Also a word on apps: while Tinder seems fine, and Hinge isn't available here, Happn seems to be mostly careerists, and, unsurprisingly, has yielded no matches. Example: