[mastauser]

(05-05-2015 05:40 PM)Chick Magnet Wrote:  

Chochemonger,

Have you considered venturing further east?

I was only in Poland for just a few days, and while I liked the country overall I didn't think the talent was noticeably better than W. Europe. Actually, facially I thought they were LESS attractive.

Ukraine might have better bang for the buck.

I am from Western Europe and I'm pretty sure Western Europe has prettier girls than Poland. Of course you can find cute and sexy girls in Poland and they might for example be more drawn to exotic men or American men than, say, Dutch or French girls do.

But in general I think that France, Spain, Norway, Netherlands, Germany, Austria have prettier girls than say Hungary, Czech Republic or Poland. Also clubs in Cambridge and Brighton (UK) were full of hot girls and a lot of them were English.

[chochemonger1]

(05-06-2015 03:51 PM)mastauser Wrote:  

(05-05-2015 05:40 PM)Chick Magnet Wrote:  

Chochemonger,

Have you considered venturing further east?

I was only in Poland for just a few days, and while I liked the country overall I didn't think the talent was noticeably better than W. Europe. Actually, facially I thought they were LESS attractive.

Ukraine might have better bang for the buck.

I am from Western Europe and I'm pretty sure Western Europe has prettier girls than Poland. Of course you can find cute and sexy girls in Poland and they might for example be more drawn to exotic men or American men than, say, Dutch or French girls do.

But in general I think that France, Spain, Norway, Netherlands, Germany, Austria have prettier girls than say Hungary, Czech Republic or Poland. Also clubs in Cambridge and Brighton (UK) were full of hot girls and a lot of them were English.

You know i have been and lived in all those countries, but when I was much younger. And i can agree with you on that. When I backpacked through all of Europe,when I was 18, Eastern Europe was never considered anything, that special. Scandanavian girls were the prize. But as much as I dont like Poland now, I can still appreciate how unique a polish 18 to 22 year old girl is.

[lskdfjldsf]

They seem to mentally implode after age 24, always faking sickness or overexaggerating sickness for sympathy from boyfriends or male friends.

[Akula]

Wow sort of shocked. is it really that bad with the Polish women vis-a-vis American women?

I just find that American women are the worst of all worlds except they are ok for one-night-stands / pump & dumps. But they are entitled, fat, mean, arrogant, angry at guys etc. The juice ain't worth the squeeze most of the time.

Sounds almost like Polish girls are just figuring out that they really do need a man in their late 20s...but isn't it true that at least they want/need a man? Most American girls ride that "I don't need a man/ want one" until they are well into their 30s and have hit the wall big time. I'm not there so maybe the Polish girls are just as bad. I guess for one night stands it a bit tricky especially for the older ones though.

At some point when I got into my 40s the low 20s girls just were not that doable anymore for me...I looked a lot younger until about 3-4 years ago but age eventually catches up with you even if you stay in shape and you need to re-adjust and target 25+ women for the most part. At least that's my experience - I know you can still pull it off but 20+ years gets trickier even though I've done it recently. So that could be part of this - but there's always Ukraine and Russia

[chochemonger1]

(05-06-2015 05:15 PM)Akula Wrote:  

Wow sort of shocked. is it really that bad with the Polish women vis-a-vis American women?

I just find that American women are the worst of all worlds except they are ok for one-night-stands / pump & dumps. But they are entitled, fat, mean, arrogant, angry at guys etc. The juice ain't worth the squeeze most of the time.

Sounds almost like Polish girls are just figuring out that they really do need a man in their late 20s...but isn't it true that at least they want/need a man? Most American girls ride that "I don't need a man/ want one" until they are well into their 30s and have hit the wall big time. I'm not there so maybe the Polish girls are just as bad. I guess for one night stands it a bit tricky especially for the older ones though.

At some point when I got into my 40s the low 20s girls just were not that doable anymore for me...I looked a lot younger until about 3-4 years ago but age eventually catches up with you even if you stay in shape and you need to re-adjust and target 25+ women for the most part. At least that's my experience - I know you can still pull it off but 20+ years gets trickier even though I've done it recently. So that could be part of this - but there's always Ukraine and Russia

Akula, have you been to Warsaw lately. And yes I will be in Ukraine soon. That is all I have to say.

[apolis]

I have never been to Poland, but I can tell you about my dates with Polish girls in London, which have been a disaster! It's the only nationality that I literally avoid to date and I'm not willing to adjust my game for such low quality and crappy attitudes. Seven dates with polish girls over 27 have led to one make out(while both drunk). I never saw this girl again, because the next day, while sober, she thought that during that night, I just wanted sex. Lol. On the other hand, as an example, four dates with Latvian girls have all led to ONS.

[Akula]

(05-06-2015 05:32 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

(05-06-2015 05:15 PM)Akula Wrote:  

Wow sort of shocked. is it really that bad with the Polish women vis-a-vis American women?

I just find that American women are the worst of all worlds except they are ok for one-night-stands / pump & dumps. But they are entitled, fat, mean, arrogant, angry at guys etc. The juice ain't worth the squeeze most of the time.

Sounds almost like Polish girls are just figuring out that they really do need a man in their late 20s...but isn't it true that at least they want/need a man? Most American girls ride that "I don't need a man/ want one" until they are well into their 30s and have hit the wall big time. I'm not there so maybe the Polish girls are just as bad. I guess for one night stands it a bit tricky especially for the older ones though.

At some point when I got into my 40s the low 20s girls just were not that doable anymore for me...I looked a lot younger until about 3-4 years ago but age eventually catches up with you even if you stay in shape and you need to re-adjust and target 25+ women for the most part. At least that's my experience - I know you can still pull it off but 20+ years gets trickier even though I've done it recently. So that could be part of this - but there's always Ukraine and Russia

Akula, have you been to Warsaw lately. And yes I will be in Ukraine soon. That is all I have to say.

Heh no not recently....sure seems like it's changed a ton for the worse in the past few years.

Anyway, will be in Ukraine soon too and don't think Warsaw is in my plans now that I have read all these stories on the forum.

[drasticallyspeaking]

Let me give you my experience as a young guy who just recently left Poland after being there for months and is now in the UK.

The girl I was sleeping with before I left Poland was 18 and I had taken her virginity.

I'm now seeing a girl who's 18 here in the UK. She's in an open relationship, sells amateur porn (started selling it before she was even 18), and is the biggest slut I've ever been with.

There's zero question that there are far more worthless women here than in Poland. A much higher percentage of girls who aren't relationship material, are only worth fucking and nothing more.

BUT....

I found Polish girls incredibly boring compared to American or English girls. Why? Because they don't speak English well enough to understand the western sense of humour. I'm really impressed with the wit of girls here, it might just be that the British in general have a great sense of humour compared to Americans, but regardless I find it to be a breath of fresh air after the incredibly boring, basic conversations I was able to have in Poland.

For me at least, RIGHT NOW (it may change as I travel more), I'd rather wade through the shit in the west to find a gem that can actually relate to me and have good banter with me, than stick around in a place where women are less likely to be sluts but can't provide me with interesting conversation.

Easier to find a non-slut in the west than to find a western-humor/good-conversationalist in Poland.

YMMV.

[rudebwoy]

Finding a non slut in the west is mission impossible, again depends on what your definition of a slut is. You cannot expect Polish or American girls to understand dry British humour, as a UK born person I would agree the humour is the best in the world.
It is a trade-off, personally I would take the sweet polish girl who doesn't mind being a woman and know her place is beside a strong man.

I still maintain UK is still better than Canada socially, finding a good girl is as tough as finding a girl that cooks.

[magicone]

(05-05-2015 11:05 AM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

Older polish women have reach a level of selfishness, pettiness, hysteria, hypocrisy, disrespectfulness that I have never seen before.

The only positive is that there is always a girl to game or date, every day in Warsaw. Though, it has not been a pleasure.

[chochemonger1]

Funny thing is that the friendliest, open, most DTF older women in Warsaw either have lived in the US, speak english well or have adopted Western culture to an extreme. But usually those bitches dont pass the boner test.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

I have the theory that older women in EE get pressure from many fronts that Western women don't face:

+ social expectations for her to at least have a child / marry is higher
+ no working social security system - even if she gets pregnant by some random dude she is going to be poor all alone
+ more balanced gender ratios in the age groups 18-30
+ more competition from younger girls who are not nearly as fat

Single mothers - even hot ones - in EE really have to lower their expectations tremendously in order for a guy to accept them. Men just have plenty of other options. So after a time all the factors above exacerbate the mental pressures and they are in a strange state where they are young enough to want to party, but at the same time already desperately looking for the provider - meanwhile being already an Alpha Widow making the selection process very hard.

I remember when I talked with a cousin of mine who is an attractive mid-30s single mother. I dished out the entire Red Pill script on her and she took it with big eyes because she recognized her own motivations and female thinking then. It also came as sort of a surprise to her that she will have a much harder time to find a good man in EE than in the West. From what I have heard - guys in Australia are desperate enough to accept fat old prostitutes with their children. In EE the men can afford to say no to any woman with a child.

[magicone]

(05-06-2015 03:51 PM)mastauser Wrote:  

(05-05-2015 05:40 PM)Chick Magnet Wrote:  

Chochemonger,

Have you considered venturing further east?

I was only in Poland for just a few days, and while I liked the country overall I didn't think the talent was noticeably better than W. Europe. Actually, facially I thought they were LESS attractive.

Ukraine might have better bang for the buck.

I'm pretty sure Western Europe has prettier girls than Poland.

But in general I think that France, Spain, Norway, Netherlands, Germany, Austria have prettier girls than say Hungary, Czech Republic or Poland. Also clubs in Cambridge and Brighton (UK) were full of hot girls and a lot of them were English.

Still some people still go to Poland, despite everything, just
because of the lower costs of living in Poland when compared to Norway
for example.

But then again, the income is also few times lower in Poland...

[magicone]

(05-09-2015 06:15 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

It also came as sort of a surprise to her that she will have a much harder time to find a good man in EE than in the West. From what I have heard - guys in Australia are desperate enough to accept fat old prostitutes with their children.

I think it would be important that we do not advise women from Eastern Europe to move to the west and become just like the anglosphere women,
it will be very contraproductive to our goals of maintaining an oasis
of some pussy paradises (which are fastly shrinking anyways).

[Alpha_Romeo]

Wow, this thread has been a breath of fresh air. My own experiences dating, or at least trying to date Polish women, had me shaking my head in bewilderment at all those Polish girls are great threads.

Similar to the OP, I targeted women in the 28 - 32 range. And man, oh man, were these girls bitchy, game-playing, insecure basket cases. Anyway, I put Polish women on my best to be avoided list. Along with American and Irish women.

[mastauser]

(05-10-2015 08:36 AM)magicone Wrote:  

(05-06-2015 03:51 PM)mastauser Wrote:  

(05-05-2015 05:40 PM)Chick Magnet Wrote:  

Chochemonger,

Have you considered venturing further east?

I was only in Poland for just a few days, and while I liked the country overall I didn't think the talent was noticeably better than W. Europe. Actually, facially I thought they were LESS attractive.

Ukraine might have better bang for the buck.

I'm pretty sure Western Europe has prettier girls than Poland.

But in general I think that France, Spain, Norway, Netherlands, Germany, Austria have prettier girls than say Hungary, Czech Republic or Poland. Also clubs in Cambridge and Brighton (UK) were full of hot girls and a lot of them were English.

Still some people still go to Poland, despite everything, just
because of the lower costs of living in Poland when compared to Norway
for example.

But then again, the income is also few times lower in Poland...

Yes of course that is a great added bonus when visiting Poland or residing there for a while but immigration streams are bigger from east to west than vice versa!

[magicone]

(05-13-2015 04:14 PM)Alpha_Romeo Wrote:  

Wow, this thread has been a breath of fresh air. My own experiences dating, or at least trying to date Polish women, had me shaking my head in bewilderment at all those Polish girls are great threads.

And man, oh man, were these girls bitchy, game-playing, insecure basket cases. Anyway, I put Polish women on my best to be avoided list.

From the polish dating websites, a lot of profiles like this one:

http://www.polskieserca.pl/en/Asiax/s/se...064173/p/4



make me wonder if all polish women are
lying so heavily about their real age...

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(05-13-2015 04:14 PM)Alpha_Romeo Wrote:  

Wow, this thread has been a breath of fresh air. My own experiences dating, or at least trying to date Polish women, had me shaking my head in bewilderment at all those Polish girls are great threads.

Similar to the OP, I targeted women in the 28 - 32 range. And man, oh man, were these girls bitchy, game-playing, insecure basket cases. Anyway, I put Polish women on my best to be avoided list. Along with American and Irish women.

You have targeted the wrong demographic.

With Polish women you have to set your aim at 18-24. Plenty of high value local guys do that too. It is socially acceptable for a guy in his 40s who has his stuff together to date a 19 year old. Even the Polish celebrities who are 49 and date 19 year olds don't get much flak.

28-32 is like 35-38 - lonely crazy spinster in the West. Forget about that.


This TV moderator is 49 and his girl 19. Yeah - he looks young for his age, but still - practically no hate in the media. Compare it to the Western celebs like Leo DiCaprio or Robin Thicke who are 37-40 and get shit for dating 21 year old models.

Avoid most Polish women above 27 - Roosh had an article on that and he is right. I went out sometimes with women above 26 and it was most often a disaster, massive LMRs, craziness, Alpha Widow extreme, desperate but still wanting to pin down the Super Alpha, trying to be a "good girl" despite having fucked plenty of guys before with no resistance.



Go to a club in Wroclaw and you will find even old looking 45-55 year old local guys with money approach young girls at ages of 18-25. Sure - they get rejections en masse, because their Game sucks, but in the end you see him leaving the club with one party girl who thinks it's still worthwhile.

[CleanSlate]

Wow, how did Poland get so bad so fast?

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(05-15-2015 11:34 AM)CleanSlate Wrote:  

Wow, how did Poland get so bad so fast?

Somehow I doubt if women above 27 were ever really good dating material at all.

Poland is still very good. Krauser was in Poland for one week recently and got several make-outs with hot teenagers and one bang as far as I know. In a better week he could have banged 5 girls in that time period if the Gods of Daygame would have smiled on him.

The girls are still there, but if your aim is women above 26, then you have more luck in Vienna than in Wroclaw or Krakow.

[Amsterdamned]

i did bang a milf 29 year old the first date recently,but also dated a lot of crazy psycho 30+ woman *just a waste of time

[ManAbout]

(05-15-2015 11:18 AM)magicone Wrote:  



make me wonder if all polish women are
lying so heavily about their real age...

She has her age set as 32. I would think that given the harsher living conditions, Polish women don't age as well. Her stated age seems realistic, at least from what I can tell.

[chochemonger1]

(05-15-2015 11:28 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(05-13-2015 04:14 PM)Alpha_Romeo Wrote:  

Wow, this thread has been a breath of fresh air. My own experiences dating, or at least trying to date Polish women, had me shaking my head in bewilderment at all those Polish girls are great threads.

Similar to the OP, I targeted women in the 28 - 32 range. And man, oh man, were these girls bitchy, game-playing, insecure basket cases. Anyway, I put Polish women on my best to be avoided list. Along with American and Irish women.

You have targeted the wrong demographic.

With Polish women you have to set your aim at 18-24. Plenty of high value local guys do that too. It is socially acceptable for a guy in his 40s who has his stuff together to date a 19 year old. Even the Polish celebrities who are 49 and date 19 year olds don't get much flak.

28-32 is like 35-38 - lonely crazy spinster in the West. Forget about that.


This TV moderator is 49 and his girl 19. Yeah - he looks young for his age, but still - practically no hate in the media. Compare it to the Western celebs like Leo DiCaprio or Robin Thicke who are 37-40 and get shit for dating 21 year old models.

Avoid most Polish women above 27 - Roosh had an article on that and he is right. I went out sometimes with women above 26 and it was most often a disaster, massive LMRs, craziness, Alpha Widow extreme, desperate but still wanting to pin down the Super Alpha, trying to be a "good girl" despite having fucked plenty of guys before with no resistance.



Go to a club in Wroclaw and you will find even old looking 45-55 year old local guys with money approach young girls at ages of 18-25. Sure - they get rejections en masse, because their Game sucks, but in the end you see him leaving the club with one party girl who thinks it's still worthwhile.

I agree that you should avoid polish women over 27 period. I met a girl who was 29 from okcupid yesterday. It turned out she was American (nowhere did it mention it that in her profile). She looked younger than her age, was pretty cool and said she would be glad to come to my apartment tuesday. A breath of fresh air and I usually detest American girls... all is relative.
Disagree with the younger chicks in Poland. It is no different than any Western country. You can still get some with DHV, mass approaching, or if you have looks and tight game. But you wont get the natural interest that you still get in SEA Asia, Colombia or even Ukraine, I never had an under 24 show any interest online this month in Warsaw. On Ukrainedate I have 5 or 6 already, who gave me their viber number, and two of them were 18.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(05-17-2015 01:05 AM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

I agree that you should avoid polish women over 27 period. I met a girl who was 29 from okcupid yesterday. It turned out she was American (nowhere did it mention it that in her profile). She looked younger than her age, was pretty cool and said she would be glad to come to my apartment tuesday. A breath of fresh air and I usually detest American girls... all is relative.
Disagree with the younger chicks in Poland. It is no different than any Western country. You can still get some with DHV, mass approaching, or if you have looks and tight game. But you wont get the natural interest that you still get in SEA Asia, Colombia or even Ukraine, I never had an under 24 show any interest online this month in Warsaw. On Ukrainedate I have 5 or 6 already, who gave me their viber number, and two of them were 18.

Online is a different story. You need to be relatively good-looking to get interest in Poland. Krauser was recently in Poland for 10 days and relatively successful, but got practically no matches online.

This simply does not compare to the other countries you mentioned. Daygame is another matter altogether.

[chochemonger1]

(05-17-2015 01:23 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(05-17-2015 01:05 AM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

I agree that you should avoid polish women over 27 period. I met a girl who was 29 from okcupid yesterday. It turned out she was American (nowhere did it mention it that in her profile). She looked younger than her age, was pretty cool and said she would be glad to come to my apartment tuesday. A breath of fresh air and I usually detest American girls... all is relative.
Disagree with the younger chicks in Poland. It is no different than any Western country. You can still get some with DHV, mass approaching, or if you have looks and tight game. But you wont get the natural interest that you still get in SEA Asia, Colombia or even Ukraine, I never had an under 24 show any interest online this month in Warsaw. On Ukrainedate I have 5 or 6 already, who gave me their viber number, and two of them were 18.

Online is a different story. You need to be relatively good-looking to get interest in Poland. Krauser was recently in Poland for 10 days and relatively successful, but got practically no matches online.

This simply does not compare to the other countries you mentioned. Daygame is another matter altogether.

I still believe online, shows enough data about a city or country, to be able to make a judgement. I also day gamed and got nowhere with the under 24s. I do not see it any different than say Spain or Sweden, when it comes to access to younger girls. It doesnt mean it cant be done.......just that you should not give out that impression about Poland.
In general, if you are 32 and under Poland can still be sweet, but over 35 there are far better countries.