[RexImperator]

I visited a powerlifting gym and there was a guy there who was almost 70 and still deadlifting.

[Jneg]

(04-08-2015 09:42 AM)Spike Wrote:  

Think again, I got a jolt of pain on the fourth rep of the 4th set and quit immediately. Fuck deadlifts, never ever again. Not even once bro.

4 sets of deadlifts
why?
Pretty much any reputable source recommends 1 set of 5 to stimulate your CNS
Thats all you need
No wonder you hurt yourself
I also seriously wonder about your form as well. Deadlifts strengthen your back when done properly. Have you ever watched a video on proper form? Or takena step further, have you video'd yourself deadlifting and asked for tips online?

[Spike]

^^ Have you ever watched a video on proper form?

Was this a serious question?

Some one said, with a deadlift you're always one rep away from a 6 month injury.

Or something like that.

I won't be doing any deadlifts ever again so good form/ bad form isn't relevant.

[philosophical_recovery]

This 75 year old woman better watch it, that's 220lbs, oh wait she did another at 225lbs more than 60lbs over what wrecked your shit.

I wasn't going to post something like this, or even comment on this thread, but there's so much nonsense in what you're saying that I had to say something.

Quote:

At 38 I'm almost one of the oldest serious "body builders" at my gym. And like I said before, its no Planet pussy gym.

Come to think about it, I'm probably the oldest who'se that serious about nutrition and his physique.

What happened to all those young guys who worked out when I was young? (Rhetorical, i changed gyms a couple of times)

Really. You're the big swinging dick at your gym now who can't even deadlift.

There's a 50+ year old guy at my gym who's had an ACL repair and still squats over 300+ pounds. I'm a fucking shrimp compared to most lifters and I am close to pulling 400 pounds as my 1RM, but I've backed off a bit to improve form.

Something is wrong in what you're doing or you have an unaddressed medical issue. I don't even know why you made this thread if you're just going to be adamant on how awesome your form, bodybuilding, and nutrition is and then start talking in other threads about how you're going to give other guys advice on how to strengthen their lower backs when you can't even outlift a 75 year old granny.

[TigerMandingo]

My only problem with deadlift is there are too many form rules. Stand straight, don't arch your back, knees forward, halfway under the bar, dick facing Mecca etc etc. I understand it's all for safety reasons but goddamn I just wanna start lifting man! Squats are more straightforward, as are pullups, bench presses, dips etc. If you're just looking to build a good body, which I've done, you can skip the deadlifts.

[Spike]

@philosophical recovery.

I never said I was a big swinging dick. I said that I'm probably the oldest guy there who is serious about his physique and diet.

Dissing and comparing me to grandmas isn't really a show of intelligent behaviour.
If you don't like that I advise against the deadlift, then stay out of this thread. Ventilate your frustration somewhere else. I didn't ask for your opinion. I just stated MY opinion and experience. If you don't have something constructive to add then stay away or open your own thread.

[Spike]

Some people have the "If you don't ride a Harley then you can't be a biker" attitude.

[Mage]

Spike you would make an excellent SJW if instead of focusing on non deadlift acceptance you would focus on fat acceptance or gay acceptance or any other progressive shit.

Somehow your overall tone matches the tone of a whiny SJW at least in my ears.

Be gay but don't force others to applaud your gay pride parades.

Similarly just don't deadlift. But do not brag about not deadlifting. Don't pretend that not deadlifting gives you no handicap at all. No reason to prove that you are just as much a man or bodybuilder or whatever if you don't deadlift. No reason to insult those who like deadlift as ignorant heterodeadliftnormal bigots.

Just don't deadlift behind closed doors.

Why did you made this thread? It is not helpful to anyone to know that you can't deadlift since you even haven't seen a doctor and don't know the reason for this. You just whine about your feeelings, how deadlift makes you feel bad so you will not do it and we should applaud you for fallowing your feelings and not deadlifting even trough you have no medical evidence saying that you should not deadlift. You just want to change everyone opinion that by non deadlifting you are as much a lifter as others so you could still feel good about yourself. Well screw that I deadlift and I will continue to think that deadlifting is better then not deadlifting and I do not accept your liberal cause that you are as much of a lifter as those of us who do deadlift. Call me an insensitive bigot if you want.

[Jneg]

(04-14-2015 05:50 PM)Spike Wrote:  

good form/ bad form isn't relevant.

And this is why you injured yourself

[StrikeBack]

(04-14-2015 09:44 PM)Cunnilinguist Wrote:  

My only problem with deadlift is there are too many form rules. Stand straight, don't arch your back, knees forward, halfway under the bar, dick facing Mecca etc etc. I understand it's all for safety reasons but goddamn I just wanna start lifting man! Squats are more straightforward, as are pullups, bench presses, dips etc. If you're just looking to build a good body, which I've done, you can skip the deadlifts.

While this may seem ironic as I just started a Deadlift Clinic thread with really long posts... the deadlift is in fact a very simple lift as there is no real eccentric component.

If I were to start a squat or bench clinic thread, it would be much more elaborate. I reckon squat thread would probably be twice as long... A good squatter is always the most admired in powerlifting, because it is the hardest lift to master (followed by bench and finally deadlift). Deadlift volume tends to be very low as you don't need to practice the technique that much to be decent at it.

However, the problem is that the deadlift - being the exercise with the heaviest weight you can manage - can really fuck you up if you do it poorly, which is why more attention and respect must be given to technique practice.

[Seamus]

Talking about the potential dangers of deadlifting is extremely useful, as even Strikeback seems to agree in his (great) deadlifting technique thread.

Deadlifting is absolutely the number 1 way to fuck your shit up in the gym, and despite what some guys here are claiming, good form isn't always a magic cure-all. Some people have genetically weak posterior chains. Some people have underlying injuries or muscular imbalances they are unaware of. Some people just deadlift the wrong weight at the wrong time and get unlucky.

And if you do happen to fuck your shit up, you've essentially lost all quality-of-life for the time it takes to heal, be it months or years. I spent a year where I couldn't walk 2 blocks without having to lie down, and where I would wake up screaming in the middle of the night because I turned over in my sleep.

This isn't to say don't deadlift. It's a great exercise for a lot of people. It's to say everyone should carefully consider the risk-reward analysis, and know that if they choose not to deadlift there are a lot of other exercises they can substitute and still achieve great results.

I don't think Spike has ever said that deadlifting is categorically bad, just that it's bad for him in his particular situation. On the other hand, there are lots of guys in this thread saying those who don't deadlift are categorically weak. You tell me which is more uninformed.

[Spike]

@mage

You just cant let it rest, can you? Now I'm a weak gay according to you.

Guess what? Your opinion of me has ZERO influence on me. I just don't care for it. I read it, I laugh, I move on.

Next!

[Spike]

@jpeg

I meant to say that good or bad form isn't relevant anymore for me since I'm not gonna do this exercise again. I did use good form when I hurt my back.

But somehow I think you knew all that already.

[Jneg]

(04-15-2015 03:20 AM)Mage Wrote:  

Spike,

Somehow your overall tone matches the tone of a whiny SJW at least in my ears.

(04-15-2015 09:37 AM)Spike Wrote:  

@jpeg

I meant to say that good or bad form isn't relevant anymore for me since I'm not gonna do this exercise again. I did use good form when I hurt my back.

But somehow I think you knew all that already.

dat passive aggressive, saucy, wave your head from side to side and snap your fingers comment

Edit: perhaps you were using goof form, perhaps you weren't. The fact that you were doing 4 sets signals to me that you don't know much about the deadlift though, so I doubt you had good form. I hope you recover swiftly and with a doctor's blessing, give the best compound lift ever another chance

[Kieran]

^ Most of the bitchy comments have been going in the OP's direction, not coming from him, and I'm sure other posters have noted it too.

I'm not sure why people are getting so uptight about it all, it's just one lift of many, and you can be plenty strong without it. Personally, I choose to deadlift, but I have been injured deadlifting in the past, and so I completely understand people's decision to scrap it based on the risk.

[Teutatis]

I have to laugh at some of the comments here, apparently there are a lot of butthurt guys because someone is not doing their favorite exercise.

[Spike]

(04-15-2015 11:36 PM)Teutatis Wrote:  

I have to laugh at some of the comments here, apparently there are a lot of butthurt guys because someone is not doing their favorite exercise.

I did a back workout today and didn't deadlift. 500 puppies and 2000 kittens died instantly.

But seriously. This hate is getting ridiculous

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[Mage]

(04-16-2015 04:41 AM)Spike Wrote:  

This hate is getting ridiculous

Spike, if your tender feelings got hurt you can always complain about us to Southern Poverty Law Center so they label us deadlift apologists as a hate group.

That's what a quality SJW would do. Do you measure up?

[KC4]

Is there a good solid alternative to deadlifts? Good mornings or something

[Hades]

One thing worth mentioning, injuries are a lot less likely to happen if you do low rep sets, regardless of the weight. I rarely went more than a triple with the deadlift (even on easy sets). Why bother? Oly lifters don't do high rep sets, and they know why. Form breaks down once you go over five reps.

(04-16-2015 06:50 AM)KC4 Wrote:  

Is there a good solid alternative to deadlifts?

Not really.

Quote:

Good mornings or something

I wouldn't really bother. That shit nearly crippled Bruce Lee. Deadlifts are not nearly as dangerous as good mornings.

[H1N1]

(04-16-2015 06:50 AM)KC4 Wrote:  

Is there a good solid alternative to deadlifts? Good mornings or something

It depends on your health and your goals.

I stand by my statements that the deadlift, its variations, and equivalent odd object lifts are the OPTIMAL means for building muscle and strengthening your back. What I HAVEN'T at any point suggested is that everyone, regardless of their health, should be deadlifting. I do believe that every HEALTHY adult male should be able to deadlift, assuming good form, well over their body weight without hurting themselves. Inability to do so suggests a significant weakness in the structural chain of your body, one that anyone, however old or experienced, should address for their own quality of life.

I think the above should be considered in relation to you goals. What are you trying to achieve with your training? You can improve your back/hamstring/glute strength and musculature without deadlifting, unquestionably, and I wouldn't suggest that everyone needs to deadlift each week, necessarily. However, as has been mentioned by Strikeback, it is also an excellent measure of strength, and that kind of feedback is an essential part of a rounded program. Again, this does not require you to use maximum weights, but the sub-max weight, or the number of reps you can do, should increase as a result of the other exercises you do.

Good mornings are solid posterior chain builders, although if you can't deadlift properly you should probably stay well away from them (and heavy machinery, small children, complex tasks, bright lights etc).

Glute ham raises are good for strength and musculature, but require a suitable set up to do them. Weighted supermans are good (start unweighted obviously, and build up), both for reps and isometrics. Ab wheel rollouts, loaded carries (particularly suitcase walks in my opinion), some row variations, back bridges (weighted once you get good at them), wall walks into back bridges, there are lots of options, they just aren't 'bang-for-your-buck' exercises like the deadlift/odd object work.

[The Beast1]

(04-14-2015 09:44 PM)Cunnilinguist Wrote:  

My only problem with deadlift is there are too many form rules. Stand straight, don't arch your back, knees forward, halfway under the bar, dick facing Mecca etc etc. I understand it's all for safety reasons but goddamn I just wanna start lifting man! Squats are more straightforward, as are pullups, bench presses, dips etc. If you're just looking to build a good body, which I've done, you can skip the deadlifts.

The rules are there because it allows you to utilize your muscles in the most efficient manner.

When I was a teenager, my step father told me to never lift with my spine but to always lift heavy things with your legs.

Little did I realize at 14 I did my first deadlift. Albeit with a couch we were moving. Nowadays too, if I need to lift something heavy I always set up like it is a deadlift.

[Repo]

Squats aren't really more straightforward than deadlifts. Their both very technical lifts that have lots of rules and will mess you up if you do them wrong.

[whitenoise]

people always rush to blame injury on form, no matter the exercise. the real idiots make absolute statements i.e it HAS to be your form that's caused it

reality is deadlifts are an inherently dangerous exercise, especially as you approach your max. as with any lift, some robust people will never have any issues with the lift and will generalise from their own experience...

ask yourself, do you need to deadlift to achieve your physique goals? the question isn't whether deadlifts are part of an optimal time efficient back routine, but whether you NEED to include them to achieve the back development you are after

[Saweeep]

(04-21-2015 05:54 PM)whitenoise Wrote:  

ask yourself, do you need to deadlift to achieve your physique goals? the question isn't whether deadlifts are part of an optimal time efficient back routine, but whether you NEED to include them to achieve the back development you are after

People should always ask themselves this question about all weight training.

The answer to every question isn't always "SS 5x5 brah".