Quote: (03-30-2015 09:47 PM)dads Wrote:
I'd like to provide a different view on this than what's been espoused so far. How sure are we that black men are rejecting black women? Or, is this really what is happening? In the macro sense, black men are putting up with less of black women's nonsense. However, this exemplifies itself as high quality black men not getting with low quality black women.
For the average black male (obviously the black men around here are not included in that group), I'm sure they would love to wife up an American black girl, warts and all. These guys are straight herbs and cling on desperately to blue pill ideas, finding comfort in the fact that they "aren't gangsters" and waving around their degrees and their use of proper grammar like that should be enough to let them have their pickings of high quality black women.
I have picked at this trend of the average black male thinking that the way to pick up women is to separate themselves from black people as much as they can. They will make the conscious effort to do so, and if they get called on it, they'll get indignant and say things along the lines of "Oh, just because I don't act like a thug, I'm acting white?". What they don't realize is that they are throwing the baby out with the bathwater, and abandoning a lot of the qualities that women in general find attractive in black men.
In a strange way, they have a bit of a god complex, with the mindset being "man, I'm so much better than these other negros, I played the white script, these women should be crawling at my feet!". They are generally disappointed and angry to find that this is not the case. We can criticize black women all we want, but we have to look at what their options are. They can either lock down their bets provider with a good job that doesn't give them tingles (already been acknowledged heavily that WOMEN as a whole despise these types of men), OR, they can get the bad boy gangster type that fulfills their pre-Epiphany Phase desires. The amount of men that fulfill both are few and far between. There's only so many Denzel Washingtons, Idris Elbas and Serge Ibakas out there.
I don't see why a majority of black men who don't fit into that bad boy "gangster" mold feel like the script they have to follow is that of a white man. For black girls, especially the high quality ones that can have their pick of men, why would they want some pale (heh) imitation of a white man done by a beta black dude, when they can get the real thing if they so desire? On average, the types of white guys that go for black women are mad smooth, and will blow their black counterparts out of the water.
(I typed this up on my phone so please excuse any errors with grammar or continuity that may be present, as this was "off the dome")
This post reads like a black woman or a racist white guy wrote it. I honestly cannot decide which. Let's break this down shall we.
Educated black women, much like the one ranting in that video, far outnumber black men with college educations. So when you interview and ask black women with degrees, what is the minimum requirement they have for a man, what do you suppose the first answer is? It's not height nor gangster swag either. They will say education. So when you attempt to denigrate black men that speak proper English and obtain education, as lesser versions of white men, you are obviously clueless as to the what black women even want in the first place. I agree with you that slick white guys can get lots of black women,
but they hardly want any level of them, aside from A/B listed Hollywood actresses or models. Women at that level are difficult to obtain for any man anywhere, so they do not count.
http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=72
68.3 percent of all bachelor degrees go to black women out of all black people. So lets use some reason and logic on this. Being a black male that is not in jail, dead, and college educated automatically makes puts you in a rare ~32% group of higher quality men. If you even break that down further into black men with well paying jobs lets say for the sake of argument 50-75K, that group is 12% of the country of all genders and race. That black man would be in an even higher bracket of higher value. People making over 100K are 5-6%. Any black men making scratch like that are an even tinier percentage. Those brothers have the pick of the litter right? No. You are missing the problem entirely. Black women's attitudes are what chases away all these black men of value. Why? because as much hard work we put into getting where we are, we know deep down inside, that putting up with shitty attitudes is completely and utterly unnecessary.
Some will drift about and waffle on it and some will reject like I did. They may not want us upon first sight, but when they realize what you drive or where you stay, they shape up with the quickness. By that point the dick is soft. That attitude soured the entire process. All men want a pleasant woman to deal with, regardless of color. I said a week or two ago about how all men need for attraction is a woman with a 9 dollar skirt and a big smile. Not some Louis Vuttion or Ferragamo. We are not impressed with any of that shit they have or what they think they are career wise. Some dudes might on the career stuff, but not most, especially if we are doing well too.
Men vote with their feet and their wallets. You make it seem like we are being fraud and won't hang out with other black dudes to avoid being seen with them as if that will impress high quality black women? That's so fucking off base I don't know where to start on that. She is more likely to have a ratchet acting little brother than most of us have ratchet black friends. I cannot speak for all brothers everywhere, but most of us are not afraid of each other like that. We all gotta get a hair cut somewhere. We go to the same comedy shows. We go to the same churches more or less. In fact, the less black friends we have the stranger than looks to other black women.
They will really use that as a strike against your character. As long as they are not robbing banks or starting mess with her and her friends and family, they don't really give a shit about your boys like that. Most black men already know this stuff. This is not rocket science. If you are dating a black woman, bringing a bunch of other non-blacks around won't impress her unless that is how she rolls, and if that is the case, she is very open minded and really won't care what color anyone is.
Let me address this "white script" thing. You think just because we are doing better we are copying white people? As if white people are the only people in America capable of having success? How conceited you are. The ability to speaking correct English does not make us less black than others that refuse or cannot. English proficiency is a good thing that all people in this country should aspire to obtain. It does not make you white, it makes you a fucking American. All Americans want immigrants to become American, speak English, participate in our culture, learn our values, etc. You cannot demand that of immigrants if you cannot do it your own self. The only thing missing from your comment is an uppity negro blast. All good men need a good woman. That is what makes civilization work for thousands of years. You appear to be mocking us by postulating that we are somehow unqualified to demand more from these women, as if their value is truly higher than ours. Maybe in 1987, for damn sure not now. Get real.
All that said, even though black men in college outnumber black men incarcerated since 2000, above average brothers (32% guys) should have the market cornered on those 68% women. Looks, height, yadda yadda, are still factors, and I get that. Single black women outnumber qualified black men in numbers that are comparable to the Ukraine or FSU. There is no good excuse for why they cannot attract more of us. That shit is 100% on them. Not all of them came from broken homes, but had they all been in a better and intact family, we might not be having this conversation. The social decline hit them harder and they even had a head start.
From Athlone's epic article:
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Are you concerned about the rise of anti-male attitudes among women? You’d likely already know the end game were you a black American male. The manosphere’s archetype for the worst-case scenario of western womanhood is already normal in Black America.
“Backbreaker”, an African-American male who posts on the SoSuave.net forums, broke this down quite well (emphasis is mine):
“The thing is, and this isn’t race bating or racism in the least bit, but because African Americans in the 70′s and 80′s were more single parent house holds than their Caucasian counterparts, most African American women today were raised not only without 2 parents around, but are fully convinced they don’t need a man. we kinda like have a 20 year head start on this whole feminism thing.
Black women have been telling black men they aren’t s**t, weren’t s**t and never will be S**T well before their Caucasian counterparts thought it was cool.“
Problem is, they started with animosity towards us, justified or not, does not matter. The problem is, that they still have not decided to stop doing it. Not enough positivity. No collaboration even. They are still pessimistic. Unable to evolve. We discuss on RVF alot about how broken women "stay broken". Women do not re-invent themselves. Not commonly. Getting off the cock carousel, did not stop making them a whore. It just made them whores that got off the carousel and started living fraud. Women unfamiliar with the concept of submission cannot be made into a wife. Some blue pill men are still shrewd enough to know the difference and why and make NEXT calls all the time. They just don't post about it in the Manosphere. Even before I was redpill, any black woman I met that would tell me, she would never submit to any man and that she is to be made an equal partner, was a woman I shook hands with and I went and got my coat and left. My mother never spoke to my father like that, so why would I accept that level of disrespect? If my mother ever had the gall to speak to my dad like that, he would have done this to her or served papers. I'm no different.
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The thirst of other brothers is not the thirst of all of us. Same goes for white dudes that are slut shaming white whores.
You also forget many of us are still Christian. Who defeated Prop 8 in California? Black people did. We still know what is supposed to be normal, we still want that lifestyle and those dreams that were denied to us in the past. We made white liberals ultra angry with that. They mostly blamed black men and black church leaders for it's failure. Fast forward to today, they have effectively created more rift with us and our women. In the last election ~20% more black men voted Republican Party than black women. Some splits on certain candidates were even as high as 80/20% split on black women vs black men. If you are not into polling, you need to understand that those are huge numbers. 4 years ago, it was not even close to that gap wise. Not only do we not agree with their attitudes, we cannot agree with them politically.
Black women got the game fucked up. Our game is stronger than theirs. Always has been. Anywhere outside the country we go with game, we clean up better than maids. Pimp C might be dead, but pimpin' sure isnt.
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One last note. We are men, we are the leaders. We don't have no God complex. We are confident and will gain more and more masculine frame. The tail does not wag the dog. They better like what we got, or get replaced. That's all there is to it, because all pussy is moist and warm and they do not own a monopoly on ass and titties.
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