[el mechanico]

How would you even explain this to a lawyer if he wanted to sue you?

Well, you see sir I was on this game forum and decided to open my own game/lifestyle forum using the exact same topics on the other one then this guy named "Fisto" calls me out and says I'm ripping people off doing vip tours and hosting door service in vegas..

Anyone else want a go at it?

[OGNorCal707]

(02-25-2015 02:18 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

How would you even explain this to a lawyer if he wanted to sue you?

Well, you see sir I was on this game forum and decided to open my own game/lifestyle forum using the exact same topics on the other one then this guy named "Fisto" calls me out and says I'm ripping people off doing vip tours and hosting door service in vegas..

Anyone else want a go at it?

Yeah how do you sue an anonymous member of an internet forum, this is lame at it's worst, and laughable at it's best.

[Carlos100]

I've looked through many of the LV thread on this forum and most of them, like this one, go into great detail on the nightclub, hotel bar, and strip club scene. I haven't seen as much detail on the pipelining options for the place.

I travel to LV about once a year to visit friends/family (I used to live there when I was a lot younger) or for business. So, I'm usually hanging out with people I know rather than hitting the clubs or bars. I had good success with pipelining on my trip to the US last month when I didn't visit LV, so the next time I visit LV, I'm going to try the pipelining thing there.

So, my question would be, if you're in LV and going to be meeting someone you communicated with in advance, where are the best places? As in, which hotel bars or lounges are best for taking a date (atmosphere, service, ease of finding a seat, sofas/couches, and close to the elevators to go up to the room). Or which ones are better in LV's different areas: south strip, north strip, off strip, downtown, etc? If it's better to start a separate thread on this topic since this one is about nightclubs, I can do that.

[Duke Castile]

Carlos - if you are meeting a girl that's local you can defer to her choice. Personally I really like downtown now. Commonwealth is a really cool place to have drinks with a girl and is well regarded by Vegas locals. There are quite a few nice restaurants nearby like Carson Kitchen and they recently opened up a sushi joint (but I don't remember the name). There's also the Container Park which has a giant preying mantis out front that spits fire. Container park is series of shops and bars that are all made from shipping containers that you see on....well ships.

[Duke Castile]

People come to Las Vegas all the time and have no clue as to the way things work. For example: Never take a taxi to the strip club, if you show up in a taxi, the club will charge you 50 dollars (or whatever) write down the taxi's number, and then pay the taxi your 50 bucks.

If you HAVE to take a taxi, make it worth it for yourself. If you're with some buddies tell him he'll get 50 bucks from one of you and to give you the difference. So 3 guys is 150, if he won't take you to the club for 50 and give you a hundred to get in then screw him.

What would be better is to have a little planning and call whatever strip club you are going to and ask them to pick you up. Most have a shuttle that will come get you and take you back to the club. Tip the driver decently and you're gold. No cover charge.

Beware of people offering to "take" you to a club and walk you in for a fee. If they don't work directly for the club then they either have a connection there or they are just going to take you to the "VIP" line. If they can't promise you free entry then they are useless. You simply don't need them and they are ripping you off.

Here's an example of what I mean, the below emails speak for themselves my commentary is in bold:

"Hey xxxxxxxxx, I'm a Roosh participant and friend of Fisto's. I'll visit Vegas XXX-XXXX with a 23-year-old date. I'm considerably older, and inexperienced in the nightclub scene. Normally I would rather take a woman to my room than stay up late. But I could use the experience and need to entertain this young woman."

"I'm staying at Caesars because Cosmo is booked up with a convention. In case it helps, I get comped at both due to secret pro gambling skills. But I believe clubs are external "hard" comps like airfare instead of internal "soft" comps like rooms or food. Anyway, what can you reasonably arrange for us? I don't need expensive bottle service everywhere. But I don't want to stand in line with my date. Naturally I'll recommend you if things work out."


Seems pretty straight forward, the guy doesn't want to wait in line with his date. That's all. He wants a line pass or an expedited line but he doesn't know the "lingo" to ask directly. A guy with real connections can just call whichever contact he has at that particular club and let him know to either put his client on the guest list/VIP list (which you now know you can do yourself) or arrange to be walked in by someone with clout. If the independent host is as well connected as he claims, he should know a senior person that can walk them in. They may cost more but let's see what this guy replies....

"XXXX,

I will be in Vegas XXXX-XX-XX on a XXX trip, but I can arrange for a trusted independent VIP host (and close friend) there in Vegas that I use when I'm not available to host."

Notice it's an "independent" host that he's going to contact and not someone at the club.

"How this works is that I put him in contact with you when you arrive and he takes you anywhere you need to go club wise and/or pool parties. You are responsible for your cover, but he takes you right in, so there's no waiting in line and makes you look good (especially in front of your girl)."

Hmmm, well he doesn't save you the cover, but you go to the front of the line. That doesn't seem SO bad. In game terms this is "demonstrating value" or something.

"In some cases he can get your covers comped, but I cannot guarantee that with it being *big festival that supposedly makes prices go up astronomically* that week. That week in particular clubs are much more difficult to get into. At the least, he's good at getting girls comped and will be able to do that for your girl probably Wed and Thurs of that week. The weekend everyone pays unless it's an 'off' week, or you're industry."

Oh in "some cases" he can get your covers comped and "probably" the girl. Sounds more like a legal disclaimer. Also the "festival" he references is outside of Vegas and makes the strip almost DEAD, it's never been easier to get into clubs during this time since the clubs actually have venues at this particular festival. This part is lowering expectations. Then he says the Weekend EVERYONE pays unless it's an off week or you're industry. Well that's just straight up bullshit right there. Any host worth a shit knows this.


"As far as fee, it's very nominal at only $400 for this and it's as simple as shooting me a PayPal. "

Nominal? For 400 you could probably get a bottle at shitty table if you know the right host. Notice he doesn't put you in touch with his "close friend", he wants to be paid directly. How much of that 400 do you think he passes on to his "close" friend?

So you don't get your cover waived, and the only thing you're told will happen is that you will be "taken" to a club or pool party and made to "look cool" in front of your girl. He says that you'll be taken to the front of the line but I guarantee what really happens is either A)You go to the front of the line and then the "host" whispers in your ear you have to pay the cover AND pay the guy for a line pass or he has to put you in the VIP/Guest line which is only slightly faster than general admission. "This is a really tough weekend to go straight to the front but I got you the VIP line, we have to tip this guy for his trouble though".

"If this is something you're interested in, then let me know and I'll send over more details."

Now if this person was on this forum telling everyone what a badass he is and he's hooked up enough people and has rep points from guys that may even think they were hooked up, what would you do if you had no idea what's going on and 400 bucks wasn't THAT much money to you? After all this person is "vouched for". Everyone says how cool he is and he always gives free advice and offers to take care of guys if they ever come out. Because this is a straight up rip off.


"Best,

Christian McQueen"

Oh nevermind

*Unless it isn't clear here you get nothing for the 400 and this guy actually does nothing aside from lying about how things work, taking your money and paying some promoter 50 or so bucks to do what you could over Facebook and probably get in free anyway*

[MikeCF]

Wait, McQueen is charging guys $400 to put people in young with a host? There is no way I could defend that.

[Fortis]

(02-25-2015 07:06 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

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But seriously, how did you come into this info, Fisto? If that email is true, then that is damnation.

[TravelerKai]

(02-25-2015 08:15 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

Wait, McQueen is charging guys $400 to put people in young with a host? There is no way I could defend that.

Wow. I don't know about Vegas but I can get into VIP section in Houstons best clubs, chilling with local celebs and rappers, no line wait, a bottle of Dom P or something comparable, and still might have plenty left over.

That said, I personally knew many promoters, hosts, and DJs, when I used to hit the club scene hard. 90% of the time I never paid cover or waited in lines. That's why when Fisto says if you go through the right guys, I know what he means because you really should not have to pay all that. I probably would have gotten suckered in Vegas because maybe shit is different than here, but apparently it isn't really all that different after all according to Fisto.

All they would tell me is to bring around 2 to 4 cute girls, and I had a roster of club bait I would never fuck or touch, that probably thought I was just a friend zone chump, but I was using them too. Some were coworkers or college buddies. Our crew always did this. It helped with preselection game too because hoes could not tell if those were ours or not, but still wanted some of our bottles of krys or Dom.

[Veloce]

Yikes...

For you guys thinking, "This shit ain't worth it..." you're right. Clubs should not be a hassle to get in. Don't wait in line, don't pay outrageous covers.

You don't have to know the biggest promoter or any other "big shots" to get into a club, comped drink tickets, any of that nonsense. All of this came about for rubes that roll through town for 3 days, money is no object, and the clubs know this and have established an industry of hosts and bottle service. That's fine for Chinese tourists that have $30,000 on a 5 day stay, but for regular people wanting to go out and have a good time, there's gotta be another way. I've gotten all those perks, no lines, free cover, free bottle, just by knowing a bartender or cocktail server. Okay, that's fine for me, but what about non-industry people?

Here's my suggestion, it's not the fastest or most guaranteed result, but I think it's worth a shot. Try indirect game. Hang out where industry people hang out: it seems like starry-eyed sluts that are new in Vegas are the only ones that really party on the strip. Every other industry person; bartenders, bouncers, chefs, waiters, hostesses, food runners, concierges, front desk staff, where do they hang out? Downtown. Go out and meet them.

In a previous thread I recommended having dinner at a slightly upscale place, something like Carne e Vino, B+B Enoteca, or DB Brasserie. Someplace that won't break the bank. You don't even have to have a full meal there. Have your main dinner at the Shake Shack that just opened up, hell even In 'n' Out, and then roll into one of those slightly swanky places for a glass of wine and an appetizer for $40. Talk to your server, tip large, talk to the floor manager on your way out, "I wanted to check out a club but I'm not into waiting an hour in line or paying $50+ for cover. By any chance do you know a manager there?"

Do this at 3 places. I promise you you'll wind up with business cards and personal cell phone numbers. I've done this. Once you go to one of those places, Marquee, Tao, Life, whatever, and meet your new contact, give him a firm handshake and a warm smile, keep the ball rolling. Tell your newly met friend at the club that you were thinking of bouncing to ANOTHER club and does he happen to know anyone there? Chances are, he does. He doesn't need to know that you're an out-of-towner like everyone else, he'll just know that you were the guy that was sent to him by Jennifer at B+B Enoteca. For all he knows you're a VIP guest of Batali Restaurant group.

So either go with that strategy, or try to meet these industry people downtown. Go to any reasonably cool/trendy bar downtown and start meeting people, the bartender, other patrons, whatever. Use game for chrissakes. Be honest. "Yeah I'm here for a few days but I'm not into lines or covers, so I came here. This place is great, like a whole side of Vegas I didn't know existed. Still, I'd like to check out the strip before I leave, do you know anyone?" Be warm, give firm handshakes, give full eye contact. Don't be weird, don't be sheisty, don't act like a big shot.

I've only lived here for 2 weeks but these rules hold true for anywhere I believe. Don't roll into someplace without doing research. Don't roll into town like a total rube willingly giving up hundreds or thousands of dollars to be treated like cattle. Meet some of the locals. Get a network going. Find out where locals hang out, introduce yourself, buy them a drink and ask them to show you around.

This shit is not that complicated.

[Aliblahba]

(02-25-2015 08:15 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

Wait, McQueen is charging guys $400 to put people in young with a host? There is no way I could defend that.

$400 is way over the top. I only charge $395.

[Merenguero]

Veloce:
I think I already know the answer to this, but would you also suggest Town Square (Yard House, Blue Martini) for meeting industry people?

[AntiTrace]

How do you guys that regularly visit clubs feel about greasing the staff? Sliding a twenty when you meet the bouncer or host, something along those lines?

[Duke Castile]

(02-25-2015 08:34 PM)Fortis Wrote:  

(02-25-2015 07:06 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

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But seriously, how did you come into this info, Fisto? If that email is true, then that is damnation.

It's one of many emails from either Mcqueen or someone from this forum telling me about the shit he tries to pull. It's the real email, Mcqueen just made a big production over at his blog about it.

He's upset because that was a "confidential email" and he's free to charge (ripoff) as much as he feels like unless you are his friend.

The translation to all his bullshit is that unless you are his friend then he can take advantage of your ignorance however he sees fit.

Friend of the forum and manosphere? Nah.

He says it's "common" business practice to swindle unsuspecting people and he's right. That doesn't make it right but it does prove what I said from the very beginning. Mcqueen is nothing special that can do nothing special. He's a dime a dozen hustler that has fooled guys on the forums and manosphere.

He goes on to lecture me about how I don't really know how things work and that's how things go down and everyone needs to be "tipped out".

The translation there is that the mark needs to be hustled so it's worth everyone's time. Who pays for all these tips to guys for "hooking you up" that are totally unnecessary? You, his non-friend that he says in his own words he owes nothing to.

Apparently just being a decent human being and not pulling the wool over your eyes is too much for Mcqueen and he's upset someone is calling him out on it.

Go ahead and sue me if you can borrow the money from your girlfriend.

[Veloce]

(02-25-2015 09:46 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  

Veloce:
I think I already know the answer to this, but would you also suggest Town Square (Yard House, Blue Martini) for meeting industry people?

I haven't been there but probably not. That part of town is where 30-somethings live and raise a family. You're probably more likely to meet blue collar dudes at Yard House. I myself wouldn't pick that place.

I'm talking places like The Griffin, The Laundry Room (inside Commonwealth) Velveteen Rabbit (was just here, cool chill spot in Arts District) Downtown Cocktail Room.

As far as greasing doormen, I wouldn't. $20? This isn't 1980. People roll through here throwing around hundreds like its nothing. There are Arab princes that have bodyguards handing out $100 bills to servers that simply refill their water.

[Merenguero]

(02-25-2015 10:01 PM)Veloce Wrote:  

(02-25-2015 09:46 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  

Veloce:
I think I already know the answer to this, but would you also suggest Town Square (Yard House, Blue Martini) for meeting industry people?

I haven't been there but probably not. That part of town is where 30-somethings live and raise a family. You're probably more likely to meet blue collar dudes at Yard House. I myself wouldn't pick that place.

I'm talking places like The Griffin, The Laundry Room (inside Commonwealth) Velveteen Rabbit (was just here, cool chill spot in Arts District) Downtown Cocktail Room.

That sounds about right. I was banging a 30-something lady who lives in that area and who I used to go to Town Square with.

[AntiTrace]

Even with the beef thread, it is providing valuable insights into vegas.

There has been knowledge dropped on how to work the scene, what part of the scene is worth your time, different strategies for maximizing your time, and how to avoid to being swindled. I would hate for this to be closed.

edit - a member corrected me on something.

[TravelerKai]

(02-25-2015 09:55 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

(02-25-2015 08:34 PM)Fortis Wrote:  

(02-25-2015 07:06 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

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But seriously, how did you come into this info, Fisto? If that email is true, then that is damnation.

It's one of many emails from either Mcqueen or someone from this forum telling me about the shit he tries to pull. It's the real email, Mcqueen just made a big production over at his blog about it.

He's upset because that was a "confidential email" and he's free to charge (ripoff) as much as he feels like unless you are his friend.

The translation to all his bullshit is that unless you are his friend then he can take advantage of your ignorance however he sees fit.

Friend of the forum and manosphere? Nah.

He says it's "common" business practice to swindle unsuspecting people and he's right. That doesn't make it right but it does prove what I said from the very beginning. Mcqueen is nothing special that can do nothing special. He's a dime a dozen hustler that has fooled guys on the forums and manosphere.

He goes on to lecture me about how I don't really know how things work and that's how things go down and everyone needs to be "tipped out".

The translation there is that the mark needs to be hustled so it's worth everyone's time. Who pays for all these tips to guys for "hooking you up" that are totally unnecessary? You, his non-friend that he says in his own words he owes nothing to.

Apparently just being a decent human being and not pulling the wool over your eyes is too much for Mcqueen and he's upset someone is calling him out on it.

Go ahead and sue me if you can borrow the money from your girlfriend.

What else is he doing with that 400 dollars? Is he giving you a game seminar when inside? Is he being your wingman for the night?

There are other PUA guys that charge even more money than that, if he is teaching, what makes this so different?

[CJ_W]

(02-24-2015 06:16 PM)Carlos100 Wrote:  

I appreciate you taking the time to make such a detailed post on this topic and at the risk of angering some of the forum members connected with the person you just called out. I just wanted to make sure I understand the process correctly to gain access to a LA or LV club because I haven't done it before.

1. Go to the club's Facebook page and find one of their hosts, preferably one of the male hosts
2. Friend request and/or message that host and say something friendly like, "I've heard a lot about this club and my friends and I were thinking of going the next time we're in town." It's better to choose a weeknight over a weekend night.
3. He/she will ask you the date you are coming and if you want a table and/or bottle service.
4. Decline and say you just want access for your group of (however many) friends.
5. The host will set up a time to meet you outside the club on the night you will be there
6. When you (suited down, of course) meet the host outside the club, hand him/her about 60-70% in cash of what it would have cost your group to enter the club at normal price
7. Follow the hosts directions, be cool, and see if the hosts offers you a table and bottle service at a discount rate or any drink discount tickets
8. Have a good time in the club and thank the host when you leave or later on Facebook if you don't see him/her when you leave.

Did I leave anything out?

Pretty much, although Clubs in LA and LV are very different, Hakasaan in Vegas is pretty much like the Madison square garden of clubs in the states.

You can also talk to DJs you meet at clubs they always need people for guestlists, since you live in Japan the club scene is Very different than in the states, for the most part most Japanese DJs get paid based on the amount of people they bring unless they are a big name DJ(in Japan)

If you live in or around Tokyo, feel free to PM me as I know the scene there somewhat and can help you find DJs and promoters that need people for their guests lists(it helps you get into these places cheaper than usual)

oh and I of course won't charge you(lol) I can't believe McQueen was charging people on top of the club price to get "vip" access when every DJ/promoter/host and their dog are fighting for customers to put on their guestlists. . .

[Duke Castile]

Quote:

What else is he doing with that 400 dollars? Is he giving you a game seminar when inside? Is he being your wingman for the night?

There are other PUA guys that charge even more money than that, if he is teaching, what makes this so different?

Travelerkai,

I'm not some unreasonable person "hating" on a guy who's just trying to make a buck.

The reason I wrote this post to begin with is to save guys from falling victim to clubs and predatory hosts.

In this one email Mcqueen is doing absolutely nothing but trying to charge 400 bucks and then passing along a poor sucker to another "independent" host. He's not even IN Las Vegas.

He claims in his last little tirade that he keeps a 100 and gives the other 300 to the new host which includes money to tip everyone out because "that's how it works".

That's not how it works at all. He's so painfully uninformed that he may actually believe that but that's complete bs.

As Veloce wrote earlier, it's really not a big deal for these guys to call up a friend of so and so. You don't need a big time host to do this stuff. I wrote in the OP that the staff in the club has a guest list that they are required to fill. From what Mcqueen is saying he can't even guarantee being on a guest list.

Don't get me wrong, they will gladly take your money if you just hand it over but it's not a requirement.

He claims I said all independent hosts are scum bags and liars. That's not what I said at all. Some are very well connected.

It's like this, if you're paying 400 dollars (or very close to it), you should get a bottle at a table and you and your girl should be getting in for free.

He's running a complete scam.

Now he's over there implying he's restraining himself from doxxing me.

Go ahead and screw with me mcqueen, I don't do something unless I'm prepared to go all the way. You doxx me and the gloves will come off.

edit - God now the fool is quoting Ari Gold from Entourage. Delusional.

[CJ_W]

(02-24-2015 06:28 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

Lastly, I couldn't tell you how LA works. I am speaking about Vegas however I know the same obscurity and vagueness on how to get in are where people get taken for a ride.

Yeah pretty much. LA works a bit different than Vegas but each club IN LA works differently too. The host/promoter distinction really isn't as drastic in LA, they are pretty much the same, but LA has a lot of issues being a huge party town like Vegas, mostly due to logistics and early closing times. Tokyo also works DRASTICALLY different from. . .pretty much anywhere else (I've talked about this in depth in earlier posts). For the most party, they don't really even advertise bottle service - they have it but 95% of clubs don't advertise it and make it a big part of their expected revenue. The scene just isn't like that, only a few promoters will try to get their customer bottle service in Tokyo.

Each city and each club runs things differently, there are similarities and some basics that you can follow but yeah unless you are actually living/lived for years in the place you're promoting/hosting in, you're not going to know enough to really dispense helpful advice.

I do want to say something about the club scene.

It's pretty cutthroat. There are a LOT of people who just try to hustle you every way they can. If you are thinking about getting into that scene you really have to be careful with who you deal with. This goes form other DJs to Promoters to Club owners to Event organizers, agents and managers etc, there are LOTS of rotten apples everywhere in the industry. McQueen being one of them doesn't really surprise me. The club scene does something to people who aren't centered enough to try and stand on the back of the uninformed to get ahead. If anyone is thinking about seriously getting into the scene, just be very careful with who you deal with.

[worldwidetraveler]

McQueen should rethink his product offerings. If you start trying to cash in on everything, you will end up losing trust. Making $100 (assuming that is his cut) on this sort of thing wouldn't be worth it, especially when people find out easy it is to do the things Fisto mentioned.

It comes across as nickel and diming someone. It's better to not even offer it or just do it as a favor to his host friend that does all the work.

I think businesses should charge what they want, but I wouldn't feel comfortable taking money on something like this.

He would be better off writing up something like Fisto did and give it away. He might get some signups for his other services.

I appreciate the write up Fisto. I learned a lot.

[Veloce]

(02-24-2015 09:19 PM)AntiTrace Wrote:  

This topic has come up several times in the chat. Nothing against McQueen, as you have stated many people have benefited from his advice, but I've always said the Vegas is easy mode. It's vegas baby! What happens in vegas stays in vegas! That type of mentality makes game easy.

You don't even have to go to clubs to get laid. Sure clubs may help, but from my experience I have more results from the casinos themselves. Just roll around the casinos and find the girls in the bars/at the tables/walking to and from events. Why wait in line for an hour when you can find a new set of chicks every few minutes? You can play leech game, and just wait for the drunk girls to roll out of the clubs and head to grab a quick bite. Bounce to an after party in your room or theirs.

My favorite thing about vegas is how receptive girls are to you just walking up and joining there group. Bacholerette parties are money, and they all walk around with sashes, crowns, and whatever else. They practically have a flashing neon sign above their groups saying "Come party, we wanna fuckkkkkK!"

I spent a bit of time in vegas. I got laid half the times I went out. I have average game at best, I'm not youngTallCool, and I wasn't going specifically to game. If I can get laid with regular frequency without frequenting a club, so can just about anyone.

Caveat: I didn't enter a single big club my entire time, so I don't know how easy it is to pull in clubs. I went to a couple smaller clubs and slow nights, 15-20 covers with no lines. I found those to be generally worthless, minus the cool experience of going to an ice bar.

Best vegas memory: Fingering a 3rd grade teacher on her 22nd birthday under the table with her peering mother a few tables behind us, oblivious to what my hand was doing under the table. We tried to go up to her room, but her mom was following her everywhere. We decided on the bathroom. I banged her the next night too, while her mom was at some show or something.

I skimmed over this thread and missed this post. Solid gold.

[Kickb]

[wsidemd]

(02-25-2015 05:13 AM)Metzer Wrote:  

Thanks for the info Fisto.

Would anyone know how inflated everything in general becomes on fight weekend? Would clubs charge more for bottle service that weekend? We're thinking of coming to Vegas for the Mayweather fight (and stay for about 5 nights) - unlikely to get tickets but will watch in a bar or somewhere.

Me and two friends, never been Vegas before, and coming from England.
Many thanks

Please do yourself a favor and go directly to the club's website when you know which venue you want to visit. Buy presale tickets. Yeah, they'll be $60-80 that weekend but there will be no dirty business. Dress the part and you won't be refused at the door.

[Drazen]

The only caveat is that the clubs will be overly crowded, way past capacity. When you are general admission in these scenarios it'll be maddeningly packed.

Hakkasan tickets will probably be $100 on Wanttickets, especially if it's Calvin Harris or Tiesto. XS will have a tier of ticket where you can't go inside, the "outdoor only" ticket.


Which is why we usually go lower tier. That and the cost.