This is a very serious accusation and attack on one of our highest repped members.
The Truth About Clubs in Vegas
Quote: (02-24-2015 07:21 PM)Fisto Wrote:
Quote: (02-24-2015 07:04 PM)Brosemite Wrote:
Quote: (02-24-2015 06:04 PM)Fisto Wrote:
*Special Note: Industry Night*
This is any night usually besides Friday and Saturday that clubs cater to locals. It's the best night for getting specials and discounts at normally expensive venues. Sunday is very good.
These are your best nights to go out as well as save money. Fridays and Saturdays are shit shows and if you aren't a local with connections, you're gonna have to suck it.
Plan your vacation on days other than the weekend if possible.
I appreciate the advice. Historically found industry nights to be kind of clique-ish unless I'm with people in that scene. What would the scene be like for example Sunday night at XS?
I'm thinking of checking out Vegas late March from say a Saturday to a Monday afternoon in hopes of hitting up XS Sun night. Would the talent be dwindled on a Sunday night? I could see there being international travelers that do stay weekdays in Vegas based on my experiences, but I imagine there being less American gals.
Sundays at XS have been some of the best of the spring and summer that I've ever had.
I did a Sunday at Rehab last August which was also surprisingly good.
Quote: (02-24-2015 07:17 PM)Drazen Wrote:
Fisto,
How is the Exodus Festival?
http://exoduslasvegas.com/
Let me get back to you on this.
This forum is not a good place to settle scores and consumer disputes with other guys, especially information that is not first hand. This thread can go on if it's about vegas and clubs specifically.
It would be more appropriate if this was a first-hand review.
It would be more appropriate if this was a first-hand review.
Roosh
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Quote: (02-24-2015 07:06 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:
+1 rep from me. It's hard for us newbies sometimes to tell right from wrong. Would be chasing our tails and get ourselves robbed had it not been for men like you.
Newbie? You've got 29 rep points, and almost 800 posts. You must be doing something right. I'd say you're ahead of where you think you are.
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Monday is one of my favorite industry nights in las vegas.
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XS Sundays and Marquee Mondays. Fisto (las vegas resident) probably knows better than me.
WIA- For most of men, our time being masters of our own fate, kings in our own castles is short. Even those of us in the game will eventually succumb to ease of servitude rather than deal with the malaise of solitude
Roosh it may be time for this.
Never met McQueen, I did read his nightclub book which had actionable and practical advice that has helped my game.
A solid RVF guy I've become friends with went out with him and said he was a cool guy.
I'll leave it at that.
A solid RVF guy I've become friends with went out with him and said he was a cool guy.
I'll leave it at that.
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Quote: (05-19-2016 12:01 PM)Giovonny Wrote:
If I talk to 100 19 year old girls, at least one of them is getting fucked!
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Am I reacting to her? No pussy, all problems
Or
Is she reacting to me? All pussy, no problems
Vegas seems like so much BS and games. Part of the reason it has always rubbed me the wrong way and have not had much of a desire to go even though I've been presented with cheap deals and seat sales to go down.
Its not a style that I am used to. But many of the points Fisto being up are common sense and work in smaller cities also. For years I had a hate for waiting in lines are clubs/bars. I felt offended they would make me line up like a cattle for the 'privilege' of me spending my money in their establishment. Really? You want me to jump through hoops to spend my cash? Fuck you.
So I quickly realized that email people who worked for the bar, or in some cases the bar, would get you better results. All the time I would just say it was a friends B-day or some shit and get on the list and a much shorter if not no line. I would make sure to go early also when things would be quiet, talk up enough rapport, and even work it where I could just get back in later on when it was busy. The truth is clubs are rarely "full" to fire code capacity. Only big time events do they get that shit show busy, they always have a breathing room buffer for space plus a wiggle room they work on over the fire code number. So if if they can only legally hold 500 I find they will hover around 450 all night and try to never deviate from that. So for years this was able to work well for me.
Its not a style that I am used to. But many of the points Fisto being up are common sense and work in smaller cities also. For years I had a hate for waiting in lines are clubs/bars. I felt offended they would make me line up like a cattle for the 'privilege' of me spending my money in their establishment. Really? You want me to jump through hoops to spend my cash? Fuck you.
So I quickly realized that email people who worked for the bar, or in some cases the bar, would get you better results. All the time I would just say it was a friends B-day or some shit and get on the list and a much shorter if not no line. I would make sure to go early also when things would be quiet, talk up enough rapport, and even work it where I could just get back in later on when it was busy. The truth is clubs are rarely "full" to fire code capacity. Only big time events do they get that shit show busy, they always have a breathing room buffer for space plus a wiggle room they work on over the fire code number. So if if they can only legally hold 500 I find they will hover around 450 all night and try to never deviate from that. So for years this was able to work well for me.
Quote: (02-24-2015 07:17 PM)Drazen Wrote:
Fisto,
How is the Exodus Festival?
http://exoduslasvegas.com/
Ok so, about this, you can now buy these kinds of tickets online in a pre sale format. Clubs like this because because it guarantees revenue, holders of these tickets HAVE to get in or it looks terrible. I've never had the need for it so I can't comment on how much time it saves or costs you or even how much money it saves or costs you.
I'm not familiar with this one but virtually all the clubs are pre selling tickets.
You have to understand that these clubs are spending millions on "talent" to perform and what they've basically become is big ass concerts.
I'm heading right now to a dirt sweat strip club in Southern Louisiana. I'll let y'all know how it stacks up to the Vegas counterparts.
This topic has come up several times in the chat. Nothing against McQueen, as you have stated many people have benefited from his advice, but I've always said the Vegas is easy mode. It's vegas baby! What happens in vegas stays in vegas! That type of mentality makes game easy.
You don't even have to go to clubs to get laid. Sure clubs may help, but from my experience I have more results from the casinos themselves. Just roll around the casinos and find the girls in the bars/at the tables/walking to and from events. Why wait in line for an hour when you can find a new set of chicks every few minutes? You can play leech game, and just wait for the drunk girls to roll out of the clubs and head to grab a quick bite. Bounce to an after party in your room or theirs.
My favorite thing about vegas is how receptive girls are to you just walking up and joining there group. Bacholerette parties are money, and they all walk around with sashes, crowns, and whatever else. They practically have a flashing neon sign above their groups saying "Come party, we wanna fuckkkkkK!"
I spent a bit of time in vegas. I got laid half the times I went out. I have average game at best, I'm not youngTallCool, and I wasn't going specifically to game. If I can get laid with regular frequency without frequenting a club, so can just about anyone.
Caveat: I didn't enter a single big club my entire time, so I don't know how easy it is to pull in clubs. I went to a couple smaller clubs and slow nights, 15-20 covers with no lines. I found those to be generally worthless, minus the cool experience of going to an ice bar.
Best vegas memory: Fingering a 3rd grade teacher on her 22nd birthday under the table with her peering mother a few tables behind us, oblivious to what my hand was doing under the table. We tried to go up to her room, but her mom was following her everywhere. We decided on the bathroom. I banged her the next night too, while her mom was at some show or something.
You don't even have to go to clubs to get laid. Sure clubs may help, but from my experience I have more results from the casinos themselves. Just roll around the casinos and find the girls in the bars/at the tables/walking to and from events. Why wait in line for an hour when you can find a new set of chicks every few minutes? You can play leech game, and just wait for the drunk girls to roll out of the clubs and head to grab a quick bite. Bounce to an after party in your room or theirs.
My favorite thing about vegas is how receptive girls are to you just walking up and joining there group. Bacholerette parties are money, and they all walk around with sashes, crowns, and whatever else. They practically have a flashing neon sign above their groups saying "Come party, we wanna fuckkkkkK!"
I spent a bit of time in vegas. I got laid half the times I went out. I have average game at best, I'm not youngTallCool, and I wasn't going specifically to game. If I can get laid with regular frequency without frequenting a club, so can just about anyone.
Caveat: I didn't enter a single big club my entire time, so I don't know how easy it is to pull in clubs. I went to a couple smaller clubs and slow nights, 15-20 covers with no lines. I found those to be generally worthless, minus the cool experience of going to an ice bar.
Best vegas memory: Fingering a 3rd grade teacher on her 22nd birthday under the table with her peering mother a few tables behind us, oblivious to what my hand was doing under the table. We tried to go up to her room, but her mom was following her everywhere. We decided on the bathroom. I banged her the next night too, while her mom was at some show or something.
God'll prolly have me on some real strict shit
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Great write up. In regards to bottle service I have done it many times in Vegas over the years and would the most import thing is the location of the table. Make it is as close to the dance floor as possible, as few times I paid extra to get a prime spot. To really get a VIP feel tip the security guys to bring over drunk girls.
Great write up. In regards to bottle service I have done it many times in Vegas over the years and would the most import thing is the location of the table. Make it is as close to the dance floor as possible, as few times I paid extra to get a prime spot. To really get a VIP feel tip the security guys to bring over drunk girls.
Apparently McNotMcqueen wrote a "rebuttal". I'll reply in kind and then keep things about clubs and vegas and how to avoid predatory hosts etc.
I was going to reply on his forum but after I registered he quickly banned me to keep me from saying anything further.
I guess I shouldn't have used the name Fisto or the password "gofuckyourself".
Basically McNotMcqueen threatened to sue me for defamation if I didn't apologize. Soucrcecode and also a few other banned members chimed in to suck his ass. I was disappointed that Goldmund was one of them.
Anyway he posts screenshots of emails sent by a producer from Nightline that mistook Mcqueen for Roosh and they were asking about interviewing him for the article that started fat shaming week.
He doesn't post what he replied but I'm guessing he was having a hard time deciding on whether or not to try to run with it and pretend to be the writer because he clearly didn't just say "Oh that's not me, you're looking for Roosh".
If he posts a screenshot of him saying to the producer "actually I'm the super Alpha that started the beta to alpha playboy game program" and then posts a shot of the producer saying "oh let me do a story on you"!
Then I'll apologize for that one thing.
The rest of my accusations with him are 100% on point.
He keeps trying to reframe his rip offs by saying "I charge what I charge and that's because I provide the best experience ever" blah blah blah.
Then he claims he has photos with celebrities.
Well that's great, I do too and I'm also not a club host. Moving on.
He talks about his "acting" and says he has varied interests. Ok, fair enough. Your acting sucks.
He talks about his first posts where he's anything but an alpha playboy by whining over some girl and asking if he should tell her off one last time or something pathetic, and completely ignores the post where I painted him into a corner when he stole money from some girls parents or something when he was drunk. I agree we all make mistakes, but there's a pattern here of stealing from people.
This isn't about some ax to grind, or some slight against me that Mcqueen made. In fact, my mentioning him in the op was for 2 reasons 1) He's nothing special, just another hustler that found his way into the manosphere and recognized there's a lot of people to take advantage of and 2) I just cannot stand a liar and a thief.
I've had disagreements with some guys on the forum over the years. Guys like Athlone and Speakeasy, but I respect them even if we don't agree. They're honest. This guy is a con artist, that is entirely self serving. He even copied the popular threads on this forum after copying the forum itself.
Mcqueen, you can sue me but you'll end up paying my court costs. Here's the message that alerted me to your impotent threats:
He posted a rebuttal on his forum. If you notice, the e-mail he received from dateline or nightline or whatever was regarding the fat shaming week that Roosh posted on Return of Kings. The network was interesting interviewing the writer of that article (Roosh) and apparently mistakingly believed that either McQueen wrote the article or that the Return of Kings website was his. Him talking about suing you is also laughable. You have me and possibly others as witnesses that what you posted was entirely true.
Go ahead and sue me for defamation. You're not going to like that outcome.
I was going to reply on his forum but after I registered he quickly banned me to keep me from saying anything further.
I guess I shouldn't have used the name Fisto or the password "gofuckyourself".
Basically McNotMcqueen threatened to sue me for defamation if I didn't apologize. Soucrcecode and also a few other banned members chimed in to suck his ass. I was disappointed that Goldmund was one of them.
Anyway he posts screenshots of emails sent by a producer from Nightline that mistook Mcqueen for Roosh and they were asking about interviewing him for the article that started fat shaming week.
He doesn't post what he replied but I'm guessing he was having a hard time deciding on whether or not to try to run with it and pretend to be the writer because he clearly didn't just say "Oh that's not me, you're looking for Roosh".
If he posts a screenshot of him saying to the producer "actually I'm the super Alpha that started the beta to alpha playboy game program" and then posts a shot of the producer saying "oh let me do a story on you"!
Then I'll apologize for that one thing.
The rest of my accusations with him are 100% on point.
He keeps trying to reframe his rip offs by saying "I charge what I charge and that's because I provide the best experience ever" blah blah blah.
Then he claims he has photos with celebrities.
Well that's great, I do too and I'm also not a club host. Moving on.
He talks about his "acting" and says he has varied interests. Ok, fair enough. Your acting sucks.
He talks about his first posts where he's anything but an alpha playboy by whining over some girl and asking if he should tell her off one last time or something pathetic, and completely ignores the post where I painted him into a corner when he stole money from some girls parents or something when he was drunk. I agree we all make mistakes, but there's a pattern here of stealing from people.
This isn't about some ax to grind, or some slight against me that Mcqueen made. In fact, my mentioning him in the op was for 2 reasons 1) He's nothing special, just another hustler that found his way into the manosphere and recognized there's a lot of people to take advantage of and 2) I just cannot stand a liar and a thief.
I've had disagreements with some guys on the forum over the years. Guys like Athlone and Speakeasy, but I respect them even if we don't agree. They're honest. This guy is a con artist, that is entirely self serving. He even copied the popular threads on this forum after copying the forum itself.
Mcqueen, you can sue me but you'll end up paying my court costs. Here's the message that alerted me to your impotent threats:
He posted a rebuttal on his forum. If you notice, the e-mail he received from dateline or nightline or whatever was regarding the fat shaming week that Roosh posted on Return of Kings. The network was interesting interviewing the writer of that article (Roosh) and apparently mistakingly believed that either McQueen wrote the article or that the Return of Kings website was his. Him talking about suing you is also laughable. You have me and possibly others as witnesses that what you posted was entirely true.
Go ahead and sue me for defamation. You're not going to like that outcome.
Wow bruh.. You are being pretty childish right now.
Also, you spelled Sourcecode wrong
Also, you spelled Sourcecode wrong
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mcqueen posted a follow up series of emails that looks like he garnered some interest from whatever producer he was speaking to.
So mcqueen here is your apology, I'm sorry that because of all your other illegal, deceitful, and other unacceptable practices I made the assumption this was more of your bullshit.
The rest of my accusations are true. You rip people off.
Also I don't have any ebooks for sale. I don't sell anyone anything.
And actually I don't remember meeting you. I had no idea what you looked like until I saw your reel.
I remember you texting me back on a number I had a long time ago where you were saying you could get me into a middling club you were at for free. If you'll recall I blew you off.
If I repped you for our meet it was out of courtesy from the one I'm guessing you gave me. Thats sort of standard practice here when you meet someone.
Sourcecode go back to your daddys forum.
So mcqueen here is your apology, I'm sorry that because of all your other illegal, deceitful, and other unacceptable practices I made the assumption this was more of your bullshit.
The rest of my accusations are true. You rip people off.
Also I don't have any ebooks for sale. I don't sell anyone anything.
And actually I don't remember meeting you. I had no idea what you looked like until I saw your reel.
I remember you texting me back on a number I had a long time ago where you were saying you could get me into a middling club you were at for free. If you'll recall I blew you off.
If I repped you for our meet it was out of courtesy from the one I'm guessing you gave me. Thats sort of standard practice here when you meet someone.
Sourcecode go back to your daddys forum.
Sometimes shit needs to be said. Censoring causes men to boil over. Most of the time when a man can air his grievances, things will simmer down. Before the internet, we stepped in the yard and threw a few punches and it was over. Hug and go back to being friends. This is a core value of masculinity.
McNotMcqueen just informed me that he has more rep points than I do.
Zing.
Zing.
Vegas clubs are full of clown tourists in oversized button-downs from the midwest & south. Basically anyone can get in if you pay enough money, buy a bottle, or stay in the hotel with the corresponding club.
LA has clubs but it has a more of a retro-lounge vibe thing going on as well. Not sure if they're still "at the moment", but places like Pour Vous or Hooray Henry's were known for being basically impossible to get into unless you had some sort of real connection or showed up with someone at least slightly famous, or with very hot women.
Both LA & Vegas have clubs that would look extremely awesome in other city, but are not considered anything special in either city.
LA has clubs but it has a more of a retro-lounge vibe thing going on as well. Not sure if they're still "at the moment", but places like Pour Vous or Hooray Henry's were known for being basically impossible to get into unless you had some sort of real connection or showed up with someone at least slightly famous, or with very hot women.
Both LA & Vegas have clubs that would look extremely awesome in other city, but are not considered anything special in either city.
No comment about McQueen as I don't know what he sells or charges.
That said, the datasheet Fisto dropped is on point. He's right that you don't need a promoter, host, or anyone else.
The value-add a promoter gives is saving you time of doing all of the leg work. I'm friend with Vegas' top promoter (Fisto would know/recognize him) and send people who just want to plan a bachelor party to him, as often it's easier and people partying don't care as much about price. They just don't want to deal with the hassle.
Vegas takes a minute to hack and can seem overwhelming.
Vegas is actually really simple to hack. You can figure this stuff out yourself if you spend time reading the posts at RVF.
You can even bypass the lines by using Got Tickets. When I went to Above & Beyond at Hakkastan, even though I had hook-ups, I just paid the $50 for my advance ticket, as you get right in if you show up early.
I am not a promoter or host or anything, and I could set up a Vegas trip. (I don't, so don't PM me with questions.) There's no special access that 99% of people have. I could just do what Fisto said and be the middleman, doing what you could do for yourself.
For pool parties, you get a cabana or day bed and ask what the "minimum spend" is.
The minimum spend will vary based on day. Sometimes the minimum spend is sometimes as low as $500, even for Encore Beach Club.
It pays to know what questions to ask and be an informed consumer.
That said, the datasheet Fisto dropped is on point. He's right that you don't need a promoter, host, or anyone else.
The value-add a promoter gives is saving you time of doing all of the leg work. I'm friend with Vegas' top promoter (Fisto would know/recognize him) and send people who just want to plan a bachelor party to him, as often it's easier and people partying don't care as much about price. They just don't want to deal with the hassle.
Vegas takes a minute to hack and can seem overwhelming.
Vegas is actually really simple to hack. You can figure this stuff out yourself if you spend time reading the posts at RVF.
You can even bypass the lines by using Got Tickets. When I went to Above & Beyond at Hakkastan, even though I had hook-ups, I just paid the $50 for my advance ticket, as you get right in if you show up early.
I am not a promoter or host or anything, and I could set up a Vegas trip. (I don't, so don't PM me with questions.) There's no special access that 99% of people have. I could just do what Fisto said and be the middleman, doing what you could do for yourself.
For pool parties, you get a cabana or day bed and ask what the "minimum spend" is.
The minimum spend will vary based on day. Sometimes the minimum spend is sometimes as low as $500, even for Encore Beach Club.
It pays to know what questions to ask and be an informed consumer.
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