Quote: (02-22-2015 10:38 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:
^ I think this romanticizes fucking American college girls way too much.
I did that in college, I do it now living in Santa Barbara.
I wouldn't say he is romanticizing American college girls too much. There are certain members of the forum that value 18-22 year olds the most & reiterate that with conviction. Scorpion was likely just going off that precedent other set..merely making an example of say 18-22 year olds & access to them.
Living in Santa Barbara as a young professional is a great advantage. But it's not really that big of a deal if you can't utilize those advantages much like yourself.
Quote: (02-22-2015 10:16 PM)scorpion Wrote:
Here's the reality: the average 40 year old man will have more options than the average 40 year old woman. True. But the average 40 year old man will NOT have more options than the average 20 year old man. This is simply due to the fact that the 20 year old, especially if he is in college, will be effortlessly surrounded by prime SMV aged women. In contrast, as a 40 year old man you really have to go out of your way and have your shit buckled down tight just to have the same exposure (much less success) with 18-22 year old women.
I think the word exposure is key. Most American metropolitan areas with the job or career opportunities outside of NYC are located in sprawled out car-centric areas. It kind of makes me laugh when some can easily say: "I'll marry a 24 year old when I'm 40 while living in the States" when the typical professional doesn't have the advantage of exposure. Without exposure, it's much harder to play the #s game.
How is an introverted engineer working 40-70 hours a week in the suburbs with no colleges or young female professionals around going to game talent in proximity outside of possibly making the long commute to more happening night life areas? One could argue that this person could live in a more "happenin" area while commuting to the suburbs for work. But one really has to have their lives on lockdown being able to game successfully near the city center on weekdays/weekends all while leaving the apartment early around 6AM for the 8-6 gig dealing with awful traffic, etc etc.
Let's take Dallas/Ft. Worth for example. I know some computer science grads that live/work in Grapevine near the airport. That's 25 minute highway drive to nearest vibrant college town being North Texas and another 25 minute high drive to the heart of Dallas where all the young professional women are. Those are 25 minutes commutes WITHOUT traffic...with traffic..you're looking at 45 odd minutes..even worse if highway construction is involved (there always is). There used to be a minor cougar scene in Grapevine/Southlake...but that's died out altogether for the most part.
So can someone tell me how they're dating options have naturally increased with age after college? There's a way for them to change their situation by getting involved with more young professional groups in the heart of Dallas (requires great deal of commuting) or they can likely straight up move to Dallas..but that also requires a bit of hustle waking up even earlier for work while maximizing their social time near home when not preoccupied with the full-time position.
It's definitely possible..but with more important responsibilities outside of game, you really need to have many cards stacked in your favor to incorporate great social preferences in your life. The other option is going the extra mile to ensure that those cards are indeed stacked in your favor. If it were that easy to make those changes, then we wouldn't have so many RVF members complaining about wanting out of Toronto or DC on this forum lol.
Quote: (02-22-2015 10:38 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:
Having the smarts, income, and means to be a 35-45 location independent with $, style, and languages to go around places like Colombia, DR, SEA, Africa(probably in the next few decades more often), FSU, and so on and be banging quality chicks of all different nationalities and cultures seems more exciting to me than boning another American college party chick.
I would wholeheartedly agree with that...been there/done that with the prototypical American college scene
Quote: (02-22-2015 10:38 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:
Frat culture isn't nearly as strong in many other American colleges. Also many girls are still willing to fuck you being 35+. I have an RVF guy I need to meet with that is early 40s around here still boning lower 20s and we are talking about American chicks here not foreign.
I would say Greek life is very big in many different American universities. With the right amount of exposure to early to mid 20's chicks for the sake of a #s game however, an older guy could definitely kill it if he had his looks, lifestyle, health, and mental game in order.
Quote: (02-22-2015 10:16 PM)scorpion Wrote:
At that point it's up to you to start hustling if you want to maintain the kind of social life that will put you in proximity to young women. And remember, the 19 year old with the right fraternity letters on his shirt will always have more status with the hot sorority girl than you as a random 30 something guy. Regardless of how cool you come across and how tight your game is, you will be seen as "that random old guy" 99% of the time. It's a major uphill battle and you probably need to find some kind of niche/status/microfame to have success with prime-aged women as you age. Meanwhile, the 19-20 year old college guys are getting laid just by showing up. That's just the way it is. I know because I've been on both sides of that coin.
There are a lot of younger college chicks even involved in Greek life that give first preference to the guys they have more frequent interaction with...but many of them also look beyond their circles for mating too. An older professional could once again capitalize off that with the right exposure...perhaps a Spring Break trip, summer internship for the gal, if her college is located to good full-time employment opportunities in a major metro area, etc etc.
With regards to what you meant though, there are also many female young professionals that move into a big city wanting to re-live their college days with their old crowd in Greek life until say 25-26 before they get tired of it & get married or just branch out altogether into different dating circles. Cracking those spheres as that "random old guy" is hard enough so doing it for those still enrolled in college can be an even bigger obstacle.
Bottom line is..there is no right/wrong or black/white answer to this. I've been that beta guy in college who benefitted from being in the right circles. I've also been that guy in college who got chicks through spontaneous alpha (or drunk) moments because I had first preference from being in the right circles.
On the other hand, I have also dated college gals as a young professional from being at the right place at the right time. More often than not as a young professional however, I've had tougher times getting into the personal space of college gals because I wasn't within their comfort zone of the correct social circles.