[Space Cowboy]

So I found that I had equal success using both OKCupid and Tinder (and Tantan, the local equivalent) to "farm" girls. In fact, it turns out that Suits and I had both gamed one of the girls who came to the party, so you might want to communicate a bit if you're both using the same app in order to avoid accidentally stepping on toes-- it may lead to some interesting questions/conversations during the party.

For optimal numbers, you're going to want to start farming for girls about two weeks before hand. If you begin too early, the girls will start pushing to actually meet up with you at some point before the party, so you may find yourself trying to juggle dates/nights out from multiple girls which is a bit of a hassle when it's not really the point of these parties. I, on the other hand, waited a bit too late, which meant I had to put in a little extra time and effort since a lot of girls are quite slow to respond to messages until you can get them on something like Whatsapp or WeChat.

Chicks have no sense of loyalty/honor and no concept of sticking to their word, so expect cancellations. I had two girls the very morning of the party tell me they couldn't come. Expect this. Expect a "so-sorry-I-can't-make-it" text three hours into the party. This is why it's important to overshoot rather than undershoot. Expect somewhere between a 50-75% "yes" rate when you invite a girl, and then expect a 33-50% no-show rate from the girls who said yes.

This party went nearly perfectly to plan because Suits and I had experience doing this together before and we took a few minutes before the party to discuss the end game plan.

You should try to be one of the "lives of the party", so that you receive ample validation from all the girls in the room, but you should "secretly" be working heavy eye contact and some playful kino with your main target. I imagine they'll get the hint both consciously and subconsciously.

One thing we haven't really talked about yet is end-game contingency. What to do if your main target gets tired and wants to go home early, let's say. We've focused more on risk-mitigation instead. For example, unless you both plan on trying to finish the night with two friends who came to the party as a pair, your best bet is to get the numbers of all the interesting prospects but to try game girls who came alone as your main targets.

[Suits]

(05-26-2016 01:50 AM)Space Cowboy Wrote:  

One thing we haven't really talked about yet is end-game contingency. What to do if your main target gets tired and wants to go home early, let's say. We've focused more on risk-mitigation instead. For example, unless you both plan on trying to finish the night with two friends who came to the party as a pair, your best bet is to get the numbers of all the interesting prospects but to try game girls who came alone as your main targets.

It has to be one or the other. Either you and your buddy both pull a girl each who came alone or you get a pair that came together to both stay and them isolate them both to different rooms.

Unless a banging two girls each is a possibility (probably not likely in China, at least for my level of game so far), more than 1 girl per guy will be an endgame cockblock.

It has totally awesome how easy it was to get both girls to stay late. My girls was still "surprised" when I started kissing her, but she stayed after the other guests left and followed me to my bed without hesitation. Other than a moment of "what are you doing" when I first kissed her, she acting like everything else was totally normal, including undressing her and the sex.

My lifetime notch count is 25, but all of my lays (that like this one) seemed like the "most obvious outcome in the world," went down after a party I hosted. Even bangs following a data that started and ended at my apartment (such as cooking dinner together) felt far less "obvious."

It seemed like she was just waiting to be fucked and would have left disappointed if that didn't happen, even though she would never admit to that.

Party host game hands you the keys to pussy.

[Centurion]

How did you communicate to each other during the party which girls you wanted to stay and which girl goes with which guy?

[Apollo21]

Man I love this thread...Suits and Space Cowboy great job...

Most guys are only interested in getting laid and not providing
any kind of value to meet quality girls...this is what we call giving back:-)

I also liked how you turned online game...where you are usually chasing girls
one at a time for meetups and offering them the chance to attend a cool
party instead. Nice.

Keep up the great work!

[Space Cowboy]

(05-26-2016 02:15 PM)Centurion Wrote:  

How did you communicate to each other during the party which girls you wanted to stay and which girl goes with which guy?

Either text message or "hey, help me grab this in the kitchen real quick".

[Arado]

Had a party a few weekends ago. This was more social circle, no random internet girls, so a bit different than the party that Suits is describing. Either way, many lessons can carry over. So, lessons from last party:

-I got called out on the ratio (had like 13 guys and around 29 girls) but it wasn't planned to be that lopsided - I assumed more girls would cancel than did and more guys flaked than I expected (their loss!). Anyway, for the ones that complained, I doubt they complain when they're at sausage fests in bars or could plan a large scale party on their own and have a perfect ratio so it's not my problem. Given how easy it is to have a house party turn into a sausagefest AND how flaky most girls are, it's really hard to plan a perfect ratio. I think some girls left early because they weren't being hit on, but oh well.

-I didn't have any issues with girls insisting on bringing guys this time in the days leading up to the party - I was clear and most girls seemed to understand my reasoning that I didn't want to let unknown guys into my apartment with unlimited alcohol.

HOWEVER, one issue: one of my super hot prospects asked after she arrived if she could invite one of her guy friends. I met this guy before - he's not a dick, but neither is he anyone special that merits a party invite.

To invite a guy to my party I have two mandatory criteria:

A) Has to bring a good vibe to the party - no obnoxious people or creepy guys or drunks or guys that would take the spotlight away from me or make girls feel uncomfortable. Has to be friendly and at least have basic social skills if not game. No assholes or guys that aren't at least somewhat presentable. If their game isn't great that's ok as long as their presence doesn't make me look bad.

B) Has to either be 1) A friend that I enjoy hanging out with and I trust OR 2) Has to have invited me to other quality social gatherings OR 3) Rich/well connected so that inviting them would put me in their favor for business dealings later OR 4) Able to bring hot chicks to the party.

This guy didn't fulfill category B BUT it would be hard to tell the girl that he couldn't come without coming off as a dick. She put me on the spot by saying "you met him, you know he's a nice guy!" so I said ok and no harm done since he was pretty quiet and chill.

I don't know how I would respond to that in the future if, on the spot, someone asked me if they could invite a guy that I actually don't want to come to my party. Mainly because more often than not the foreigners I meet in my city are obnoxious and/or low cultured.

Cut out the infection I suppose? Perhaps, though it's always better to have a good answer to shut the question down in advance without harming my reputation in the social circle.


More lessons:

-I think I should have more signs at my party with basic information. A bit corny, but way too many people kept interrupting and asking where the bathroom is, where they can smoke or charge their phone, etc. A prominent sign(s) would be useful for this.

-Still need more ways to get introverted people to talk to each other. I should have separated out seats as Suits suggested earlier though it escaped my attention in the final planning. In speaking with some other friends post party, most people enjoyed it and were appreciative, but some complained that I didn't introduce people to each other. This is key - if you want to be seen as a person of value, whether in business or socially, help people connect with each other. If you become known as a connector that really helps to multiply your value. Take the initiative and introduce people to each other. This time, I was managing a party of 40 people so simply didn't have the bandwidth to connect people. Consider co-hosting a party with another friend so that will free you up to make connections with people.

-Keep cups, drinks, ice, chasers easily located and accessible. People shouldn't be having to ask you for such basic information. For some reason the cups were hidden behind some other bottles. Make things hassle free and make sure your guests feel welcome and comfortable with serving themselves.


I have at least 10 solid prospects following the party - either girls that were previously not willing to commit to meeting me for a date, or friends of friends. Definitely a solid investment, not to mention that I will get future party/event invitations from other people reciprocating.

Everyone should try this at some point - if you don't have a place that can host alot of people, make friends with someone who does!

[Kid Twist]

Great thread.

[Suits]

(07-12-2016 09:29 AM)Arado Wrote:  

I have at least 10 solid prospects following the party - either girls that were previously not willing to commit to meeting me for a date, or friends of friends. Definitely a solid investment, not to mention that I will get future party/event invitations from other people reciprocating.

How's the post-party dick into vagina follow-up proceeding?

[Switch]

^^^to put it bluntly

[Apollo21]

This is an awesome thread....40 people at a party...I can see
why you'd want to rotate your guest list frequently...otherwise
girls get to become friends and start talking...and where do you get
the space? At some point you'd have to rent out a party space even
for a moderate party (10 guys 10 girls plus seating and a few rooms
to walk around and talk or a big patio/back yard...

[Veloce]

Man I am late to this...party. Awesome thread overall and Suits if you ever need a chef in exchange for pussy I got you covered.

[Suits]

(07-22-2016 07:26 AM)Apollo21 Wrote:  

At some point you'd have to rent out a party space even
for a moderate party (10 guys 10 girls plus seating and a few rooms
to walk around and talk or a big patio/back yard...

You need to re-read the thread to learn about ratios.

[Apollo21]

(07-25-2016 05:09 AM)Suits Wrote:  

(07-22-2016 07:26 AM)Apollo21 Wrote:  

At some point you'd have to rent out a party space even
for a moderate party (10 guys 10 girls plus seating and a few rooms
to walk around and talk or a big patio/back yard...

You need to re-read the thread to learn about ratios.

That's right, I forgot. It should be more like 5 guys to 15 girls.
I need to do this in Budapest...

[AneroidOcean]

(07-25-2016 12:58 PM)Apollo21 Wrote:  

(07-25-2016 05:09 AM)Suits Wrote:  

(07-22-2016 07:26 AM)Apollo21 Wrote:  

At some point you'd have to rent out a party space even
for a moderate party (10 guys 10 girls plus seating and a few rooms
to walk around and talk or a big patio/back yard...

You need to re-read the thread to learn about ratios.

That's right, I forgot. It should be more like 5 guys to 15 girls.
I need to do this in Budapest...

Party space? I don't even feel I'm having a rocking party if I have less than 40 people in my living room/kitchen and my living room isn't big.

[Suits]

(07-26-2016 10:53 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  

(07-25-2016 12:58 PM)Apollo21 Wrote:  

(07-25-2016 05:09 AM)Suits Wrote:  

(07-22-2016 07:26 AM)Apollo21 Wrote:  

At some point you'd have to rent out a party space even
for a moderate party (10 guys 10 girls plus seating and a few rooms
to walk around and talk or a big patio/back yard...

You need to re-read the thread to learn about ratios.

That's right, I forgot. It should be more like 5 guys to 15 girls.
I need to do this in Budapest...

Party space? I don't even feel I'm having a rocking party if I have less than 40 people in my living room/kitchen and my living room isn't big.

Provided that the place is suitably sized (the space can't feel empty), the parties I've hosted acquire critical velocity around the 12-15 guest mark.

Any less than 10 feels dead, because guests are able to maintain the "circle" and fail to split into different groups.

You can fail to hit critical velocity with more than 15 people if you have too many chairs out. People will arrange them as necessary to maintain the "circle" because no one wants to be left out.

As discussed previously, the secret to breaking the circle is to have 1 chair for each two guests as a maximum.

Once people break into individual groups of 3-5 people, the party generally feels like it's rocking, provided your venue isn't oversized.

[FourToTheFloor]

Amazing thread, thank you for all the useful information.

I'm thinking about doing this at my house with my 2 roommates that are also successful players.

My question is, it we each farm 2-3 girls off of Tinder and have them over, how would I avoid having them all find out they are meeting us for the first time all from the same app?

Will they think it's odd that there are no men besides the 3 roommates?

I envision that it your home is on point and your game is tight, it won't matter in the end?

[eradicator]

Suits(or anyone who throws parties and gets laid from them). I have a few questions

I am turning 40 in a few months and throwing a party, it is a couple of days before Halloween. I am getting pinatas and filling them with condoms, empty tampon boxes and candy. I have kareoke(on the old xbox 360 that I have) but not that many songs. And a ton of liquor(I don't drink much anymore, but have wine, hard liquor, and beer that I can serve).

The problem if you want to call it that, is that I have a pretty large social circle from theater and yoga, but no idea how many people will show up if I invite 1000 friends, will 20 or 30 show? If it is mostly women that I have not banged yet, or banged a couple of times but would gladly bang again, is it bad if there are too many many girls that I want to bang that show up? I can't give all of them my attention.

I'll be calling a lot of people and sending out texts in the weeks leading up. If I invite them and they say "Yeah! that sounds great!" there is probably at least a 50% chance that they will flake, why is it a mistake to try to make plans to get them out for a drink another time before the party?

Obviously the odds of banging them go up if they show up at the party and are down to stick around a little longer as the party dies down, that makes it much easier to bang them, but if they are down to hang out a different day, why not just do that? Is there something I am missing? I never threw a party in my life.

[eradicator]

(07-27-2016 04:05 PM)FourToTheFloor Wrote:  

Amazing thread, thank you for all the useful information.

I'm thinking about doing this at my house with my 2 roommates that are also successful players.

My question is, it we each farm 2-3 girls off of Tinder and have them over, how would I avoid having them all find out they are meeting us for the first time all from the same app?

Will they think it's odd that there are no men besides the 3 roommates?

I envision that it your home is on point and your game is tight, it won't matter in the end?

Invite some guys over, you don't want shit ratios, the girls will just bail. I don't think that most girls will readily admit that they are meeting guys off of tinder. They will just lie and say that you met randomly, or met at the grocery store, or met at a book store. Women are very good at lying, I wouldn't worry about that, but why are you only inviting tinder women? Expect an extremely high flake rate if that is what you are up to.

[AneroidOcean]

(07-27-2016 04:19 PM)eradicator Wrote:  

Suits(or anyone who throws parties and gets laid from them). I have a few questions

I am turning 40 in a few months and throwing a party, it is a couple of days before Halloween. I am getting pinatas and filling them with condoms, empty tampon boxes and candy. I have kareoke(on the old xbox 360 that I have) but not that many songs. And a ton of liquor(I don't drink much anymore, but have wine, hard liquor, and beer that I can serve).

The problem if you want to call it that, is that I have a pretty large social circle from theater and yoga, but no idea how many people will show up if I invite 1000 friends, will 20 or 30 show? If it is mostly women that I have not banged yet, or banged a couple of times but would gladly bang again, is it bad if there are too many many girls that I want to bang that show up? I can't give all of them my attention.

I'll be calling a lot of people and sending out texts in the weeks leading up. If I invite them and they say "Yeah! that sounds great!" there is probably at least a 50% chance that they will flake, why is it a mistake to try to make plans to get them out for a drink another time before the party?

Obviously the odds of banging them go up if they show up at the party and are down to stick around a little longer as the party dies down, that makes it much easier to bang them, but if they are down to hang out a different day, why not just do that? Is there something I am missing? I never threw a party in my life.

How the hell do you keep track of 1,000 friends?

On topic, if you invite 300 people, maybe 40-50 will show at most. Invite 1000 maybe 100+, but that's based on the returns I've seen inviting people to my parties and I'm a social guy who throws decently large parties a few times a year and live by the beach. I would expect your average return to be lower.

[glugger]

A question to suits: do you supply all the alcohol and food? In the situation I'm in right now, people usually byo for parties, what would you recommend to do in this circumstance?

[Mercenary]

(07-29-2016 11:41 AM)glugger Wrote:  

A question to suits: do you supply all the alcohol and food? In the situation I'm in right now, people usually byo for parties, what would you recommend to do in this circumstance?

The men you are inviting should be vetted and trusted by you, and should definitely be bringing their contributions either in terms of girls or alcohol.

When I went to my first official Suits party I brought both.

[Mercenary]

Also I would recommend that girls who don't bring any food or drink, or don't act social during the party (bringing down the overall mood) are immediately put on kitchen duty under orders of the head chef. Meaning you. That way, if you have a totally sour faced girl messing round with her smartphone...you can fix that by making her feel useful with clear working instructions. Chop this, wash that, boil this, fry that, clean this...and so on.


Suits always has a very well trained team running his kitchen during parties:

[Arado]

Quote:

The problem if you want to call it that, is that I have a pretty large social circle from theater and yoga, but no idea how many people will show up if I invite 1000 friends, will 20 or 30 show? If it is mostly women that I have not banged yet, or banged a couple of times but would gladly bang again, is it bad if there are too many many girls that I want to bang that show up? I can't give all of them my attention.

This is a great question and my answer is a bit in the weeds but I think guestlist planning is super critical and it has to be done with care for social circle parties. What I did was first look at my entire friend and social circle and divide people into roughly three groups - guy, female friends, and prospects.

Then for each group I would take my top 10-15 priority invites from each group and send the invites out to them about 2 weeks before. Then once the confirms start coming in I'll have an idea of how many people are tentatively coming and then invite the second priority list of people, pause to check for confirms, then you just keep inviting enough people from each of those three lists to maintain a good ratio. When people confirm usually depending on the language they use when they confirm (and whether they've been flaky before) I assign a probability to the chance of them coming and how many friends I expect them to bring.

You don't want too many of your top hook up prospects to come. And of course you have to maintain the golden 1:2 guy to girl ratio. That's why I don't send a blanket invite out to all my friends at once. I cultivate the ratio and enough prospects for me but not too many that all my prospects end up integrated in my social circle and possibly cancel each other out.

Some things to watch out for - figure out what your policy is on bringing friends and other guys. This is something I'm still struggling with - some of friends will be cool with you not wanting their guy friends, others will rebel.

I would have banged girls at my party if not for some idiot who mass recruited people to go to a club after. Still following up with prospects though.

This is just my personal view. Social circle parties are a different beast in terms of guest list planning than online prospect harvesting parties. And of course you have to pay attention to potential issues if someone finds out they weren't invited or two people who have previous drama are at the same party.

[Suits]

(07-29-2016 11:41 AM)glugger Wrote:  

A question to suits: do you supply all the alcohol and food? In the situation I'm in right now, people usually byo for parties, what would you recommend to do in this circumstance?

I have an assortment of mixers available. Low end vodka, tequila, whiskey and the like. I don't leave anything I would mix out where someone might drink it. I keep the beer fridge stocked with enough quality craft brews for the men and soft drinks and fruit juices. None of this is terrible expensive.

However, most of the ladies just drink the sangria that we mix. It's incredibly inexpensive to put together a batch and because there is a good volume of alcohol in it, no one is drinking it like lemon-aid.

40% Sprite or soda water
40% cheap wine
15% cut fruit and fruit juices
5% rum or vodka

It tasks great, looks great both in the pitcher and a glass and it's even cheaper than serving your guests the cheapest wine a man can buy.

You need about one 2-3L pitcher per 5 female guests.

[Arado]

(02-22-2015 10:42 AM)Suits Wrote:  

(02-17-2015 03:14 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  

6. Music - Oh wait, music wasn't included. This is a glaring omission. Music is HUGE for setting the vibe of the party and keeping people upbeat/happy. If you throw more of a wild party, the right music will create a dance floor. You should have a quality sound system with a real subwoofer that is either hooked up to a computer you can start a playlist or DJ from (or better yet hand off the DJ duties to someone whose strength this is). Alternately, at minimum having an audio jack that people can plug into their phones can be a surprisingly good solution. Myself I have every single charger for cell phones available right by the audio jack so I can play music from someone's phone AND charge it.

I haven't extensively field tested music yet, so I didn't discuss it. My experience so far, however, has been that music is not always a good thing.

First of all, don't let any female decide on the playlist or DJ herself. You can let a male buddy DJ, but don't let girls turn the party into their personal playground. You should be center stage. If the ladies don't like this, they can get the hell out.

Let the music be a reflection of who you are (while avoiding music that girls uniformly don't like). Don't just play the latest garbage pop tunes.

However, I went without music for the last several parties to keep the noise down for the neighbours and while there were a few Westerners who thought that the only way to have a party was to blast loud music, the attractive women and high value males were too busy socializing and having genuine conversations to even notice the lack of background music. Those who wanted a loud party with music served no value in getting me laid.

Just to follow up, does anyone have good song recommendations to set the right vibe? I used to focus on loud club music/top 40, but then I got in trouble with the neighbors and people ended up going to clubs after my party, making it harder for me to get one girl to stay behind and "help me clean up." People enjoyed the music though.

I'm still not 100% sure if I should be focusing on pulling that night vs. using the party as a DHV to follow up on chicks afterwards. If I focus too much on same night then I may end up ignoring other long term opportunities that are also at the party. Then again, better a guaranteed 6 then an unknown 7 or 8?

Thinking back to my previous parties, I got a good chunk of hookups out of one that I hosted earlier this year. A recent one I had in the beginning of the summer didn't yield as much value. One reason because I was too busy over the summer so didn't have time to capitalize. Other reason is that girls who were strongly interested after my party turned out to be not that attractive and I lost interest.

Lesson learned - don't invite girls just for the sake of it - focus on quality.