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Venue Change Effect Proven by Study
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Venue Change Effect Proven by Study

I hope this wasn't covered at the time (I searched) back in 2011 when the study was done:

This Notre Dame University study is summarised here: Study

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The French poet Paul Valéry once said, “The purpose of psychology is to give us a completely different idea of the things we know best.” In that spirit, consider a situation many of us will find we know too well: You're sitting at your desk in your office at home. Digging for something under a stack of papers, you find a dirty coffee mug that’s been there so long it’s eligible for carbon dating. Better wash it. You pick up the mug, walk out the door of your office, and head toward the kitchen. By the time you get to the kitchen, though, you've forgotten why you stood up in the first place, and you wander back to your office, feeling a little confused—until you look down and see the cup.

So there's the thing we know best: The common and annoying experience of arriving somewhere only to realize you've forgotten what you went there to do. We all know why such forgetting happens: we didn’t pay enough attention, or too much time passed, or it just wasn’t important enough. But a “completely different” idea comes from a team of researchers at the University of Notre Dame. The first part of their paper’s title sums it up: “Walking through doorways causes forgetting.”

Gabriel Radvansky, Sabine Krawietz and Andrea Tamplin seated participants in front of a computer screen running a video game in which they could move around using the arrow keys. In the game, they would walk up to a table with a colored geometric solid sitting on it. Their task was to pick up the object and take it to another table, where they would put the object down and pick up a new one. Whichever object they were currently carrying was invisible to them, as if it were in a virtual backpack.

Sometimes, to get to the next object the participant simply walked across the room. Other times, they had to walk the same distance, but through a door into a new room. From time to time, the researchers gave them a pop quiz, asking which object was currently in their backpack. The quiz was timed so that when they walked through a doorway, they were tested right afterwards. As the title said, walking through doorways caused forgetting: Their responses were both slower and less accurate when they'd walked through a doorway into a new room than when they'd walked the same distance within the same room.

This “doorway effect” appears to be quite general. It doesn't seem to matter, for instance, whether the virtual environments are displayed on a 66” flat screen or a 17” CRT. In one study, Radvansky and his colleagues tested the doorway effect in real rooms in their lab. Participants traversed a real-world environment, carrying physical objects and setting them down on actual tables. The objects were carried in shoeboxes to keep participants from peeking during the quizzes, but otherwise the procedure was more or less the same as in virtual reality. Sure enough, the doorway effect revealed itself: Memory was worse after passing through a doorway than after walking the same distance within a single room.

Is it walking through the doorway that causes the forgetting, or is it that remembering is easier in the room in which you originally took in the information? Psychologists have known for a while that memory works best when the context during testing matches the context during learning; this is an example of what is called the encoding specificity principle. But the third experiment of the Notre Dame study shows that it's not just the mismatching context driving the doorway effect. In this experiment (run in VR), participants sometimes picked up an object, walked through a door, and then walked through a second door that brought them either to a new room or back to the first room. If matching the context is what counts, then walking back to the old room should boost recall. It did not.

The doorway effect suggests that there's more to the remembering than just what you paid attention to, when it happened, and how hard you tried. Instead, some forms of memory seem to be optimized to keep information ready-to-hand until its shelf life expires, and then purge that information in favor of new stuff. Radvansky and colleagues call this sort of memory representation an “event model,” and propose that walking through a doorway is a good time to purge your event models because whatever happened in the old room is likely to become less relevant now that you have changed venues. That thing in the box? Oh, that's from what I was doing before I got here; we can forget all about that. Other changes may induce a purge as well: A friend knocks on the door, you finish the task you were working on, or your computer battery runs down and you have to plug in to recharge.

Why would we have a memory system set up to forget things as soon as we finish one thing and move on to another? Because we can’t keep everything ready-to-hand, and most of the time the system functions beautifully. It’s the failures of the system—and data from the lab—that give us a completely new idea of how the system works.


As all RVFers know, venue changing never fails to work in increasing comfort levels. We have speculate on the reasons why but this study confirms and explains the reasons:

Crossing a threshold makes us create an "event boundary" in our heads, separating episodes of activity and what happened before is filed away.

In our minds, like in the movies, threshold-crossing signals the end of a scene.

“Recalling the decision or activity that was made in a different room is difficult because it has been compartmentalised”.


So there we have it!
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Venue Change Effect Proven by Study

Quote: (01-17-2015 07:52 AM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

As all RVFers know, venue changing never fails to work in increasing comfort levels. We have speculate on the reasons why but this study confirms and explains the reasons:

Crossing a threshold makes us create an "event boundary" in our heads, separating episodes of activity and what happened before is filed away.

In our minds, like in the movies, threshold-crossing signals the end of a scene.

“Recalling the decision or activity that was made in a different room is difficult because it has been compartmentalised”.


So there we have it!

The Hamster thinks it went on 3 dates instead of one.
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Venue Change Effect Proven by Study

Quote: (01-17-2015 08:38 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

Quote: (01-17-2015 07:52 AM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

As all RVFers know, venue changing never fails to work in increasing comfort levels. We have speculate on the reasons why but this study confirms and explains the reasons:

Crossing a threshold makes us create an "event boundary" in our heads, separating episodes of activity and what happened before is filed away.

In our minds, like in the movies, threshold-crossing signals the end of a scene.

“Recalling the decision or activity that was made in a different room is difficult because it has been compartmentalised”.


So there we have it!

The Hamster thinks it went on 3 dates instead of one.

Exactly.
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Venue Change Effect Proven by Study

I have always been doubtful about venue changing but I may have to rethink that based on this study.
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Venue Change Effect Proven by Study

Quote: (01-19-2015 12:50 AM)Roardog Wrote:  

I have always been doubtful about venue changing but I may have to rethink that based on this study.

One of the things I love most about this Forum is the open mindedness of its members.

There are few places I have known to have people willing to change their minds about things, oft things they have believed all their life, when the evidence is overwhelmingly in favour of another perspective.
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Venue Change Effect Proven by Study

absolutely, i love venue changes.
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Venue Change Effect Proven by Study

Interesting, if that's the case you can really maximize that potential or milk one venue. Some place's have an indoor and an outdoor area, 20 mins inside and 20 mins outside and then complete venue change. I'll definitely keep this in mind, next time I'm out on a date, its like a combo attack.
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Venue Change Effect Proven by Study

Asking a girl to move to another location = rape.

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Venue Change Effect Proven by Study

I wondered if I was the only one who tracked sub-venue bouncing, like living room to kitchen. Definitely helps build comfort and compresses the amount of actual time required in my experience.

I have found that the way to do a venue change is to create some emotionally-salient experience for her after making a minor switch in place. It's the difference between "Bar" and "House" being two venues, and "Bar, sidewalk, taxi, porch, foyer, living room" being six venues. The 'venue flip' happens in the mind and can have very little to do with actual distance traveled. Big venue bounces (out of the bar into the apartment) create that emotionally-salient shift, but you can also get something out of 'minor switch paired with speech/kino'.

tldr: venue bouncing is good, room to room moves are underrated.
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Venue Change Effect Proven by Study

It would make sense, that when I next upgrade my apartment (something I will be doing a year from now), I should get a place that has plenty of doorways and offers the option of distinct venue areas.

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Venue Change Effect Proven by Study

This was the first piece of game I learned. Perfect for NY when you can hit 3 bars on the same block.
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Venue Change Effect Proven by Study

What if you put in extra doors down a hallway leading to the bathroom. Like 4 feet apart (that should be enough to clear each door). Then it would seem like 8 venue changes just going to the bathroom. Paint one each a bright different color. She'd be dtf in 5 mins lol.

She's asks where's the bathroom and you answer with a small grin and say it's down that hallway.

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