[Dr. Howard]

Well, this is a new step in the over the top reaction and enforcement on domestic violence cases.

http://wate.com/2015/01/15/bill-would-re...use-cases/

Currently in Tennessee if someone is accused of domestic abuse can be held for 12 hours without charge at a judge's discretion...like if there is a risk that the person could just go back home and kill their spouse.

Apparently Judges shouldn't have this discretion anymore and it should be mandatory that anyone accused of domestic abuse will be detained for 12 hours.

I am sure you can see the potential problems here. Call the cops on your spouse and you've got and automatic 12 hours to drain the accounts, change the locks, drop his car keys into the sewer and throw his or her stuff out on the front lawn.

Looks like this will be the state where 'he who call first wins' will be the new domestic war strategy.

Oh and remember kids, domestic about isn't just slapping someone in the face, the department of justice says that can be: Physical, sexual, emotional, economic or psychological http://www.justice.gov/ovw/domestic-violence

I need to quote the Emotional Abuse definition because its so good.

Quote:

Emotional Abuse: Undermining an individual's sense of self-worth and/or self-esteem is abusive. This may include, but is not limited to constant criticism, diminishing one's abilities, name-calling, or damaging one's relationship with his or her children.

TL;DR in Tennessee a proposed law will have husband or boyfriend automatically spend 12 hours in detention if his spouse/girlfriend alleges that he undermined her self worth.

[Grange]

Make flyers and airdrop them over Tennessee: "Men, the state has declared it's a race, so don't lose. Call early, call often, call first."

[MattW]

This is a little like that one college that had the anonymous rape allegation form online. Tennessee men just need to start reporting everyone for emotional domestic violence to show how stupid this is.

[jimukr104]

It is similar in NYC where they arrest a guy accused of domestic abuse.

[Sonsowey]

Avoid crazy women.

...shit I think I just undermined the self-worth of crazy women...

[turkishcandy]

There is nothing new about detention for allegations of serious crimes. But security precautions (like arrest, detention) can never be mandatory in criminal procedure. It is against the essence of the very basic principles of criminal law, such as ''no punishment without conviction'' and ''innocent until proven guilty''. That's why arrest and detention are called security precautions, they are not meant to punish someone, but to secure the case. It's up to the judge to decide whether or not someone should be detained or arrested or get bailed out. The judge has to inspect the case and materials, and come to a just conclusion. When you make detention mandatory, you are taking the judge's jurisdiction into your own hands and punishing the suspects without due process, without conviction, without evidence, without shit. Not only does this stupid, fucktard, small-scoped, insanity of a law violate the basic principles of criminal law, it also violates the separation of powers. Basically, the legislative power is interfering with the judicial power. But fuck the separation of powers, we just gotta fight male privilege, right?

This is where this insanity going: In the future, for cases involving domestic violence, gender discrimination, sexual assault etc, there will be a representative from the ruling feminist party, whose job is to ''assist'' the judge to come to a ''better'' conclusion. When a judge or the jury decides to clear a man from the charges, the representative will have to confirm the decision. In some cases, the representative will directly intervene and ask the judge ''are you sure you don't wanna reconsider the decision?''. This is where we are headed. We're not that far from there anyway.

[YossariansRight]

Another blaring warning to:

1. NEVER live with a woman in the USA.
2. Run background checks on pretty much any woman you get involved with at any level. I'd include female coworkers as well.

[WestIndianArchie]

4th amendment violation.
Won't last

Unless of course Alito, Roberts, Thomas, Scalia get involved. They don't care much for women, but really seem to hate the accused.


WIA

[Merenguero]

It's called a cooling off period. They have something similar where I am, but it only applies to when a Protective Order or Peace Order has been issued and the person is charged with violating the Order. Bond is not supposed to be decided until the person goes before a judge which could be the next day, two days later, or on Monday, if the person is arrested on a weekend. Many times, people accidently get released immediately after they are arrested either on personal recognizance or on a nominal bond.

[Foolsgo1d]

(01-15-2015 02:18 PM)Sonsowey Wrote:  

Avoid crazy women.

...shit I think I just undermined the self-worth of crazy women...

But even balanced women are capable of getting your back up and then it comes down to a battle of voices. You flip shit, she flips shit but she has an ace over your loud voice and strength...

The State.

They will probably call it a cooldown period.

[Brodiaga]

Reason number 10000001 to not get married or even move in with a chick.

[TravelerKai]

You don't need to be married to a bitch to have her claim domestic abuse! You could catch that shit from being alone with any woman, anywhere! I do agree with never moving in with women or letting them move in with you, for too many reasons.

[Old Fritz]

(01-15-2015 07:48 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

You don't need to be married to a bitch to have her claim domestic abuse! You could catch that shit from being alone with any woman, anywhere! I do agree with never moving in with women or letting them move in with you, for too many reasons.

Your wife doesn't live with you?

[Dr. Howard]

(01-15-2015 07:48 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

You don't need to be married to a bitch to have her claim domestic abuse! You could catch that shit from being alone with any woman, anywhere! I do agree with never moving in with women or letting them move in with you, for too many reasons.

correct, this could be a girlfriend. This could even be a teenage daughter or step child having a temper tantrum....they cry abuse, you do 12 hours in jail.

[TravelerKai]

(01-15-2015 08:07 PM)Old Fritz Wrote:  

(01-15-2015 07:48 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

You don't need to be married to a bitch to have her claim domestic abuse! You could catch that shit from being alone with any woman, anywhere! I do agree with never moving in with women or letting them move in with you, for too many reasons.

Your wife doesn't live with you?

Before we got married hell no.

[Brodiaga]

(01-15-2015 08:07 PM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  

(01-15-2015 07:48 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

You don't need to be married to a bitch to have her claim domestic abuse! You could catch that shit from being alone with any woman, anywhere! I do agree with never moving in with women or letting them move in with you, for too many reasons.

correct, this could be a girlfriend. This could even be a teenage daughter or step child having a temper tantrum....they cry abuse, you do 12 hours in jail.

With your girlfriend, if anything negative comes up that could potentially escalate to a domestic abuse claim, just dump her right there and then on the spot. Politely tell her that you are tired and would rather spend some time alone. Never call after that or answer her calls.

As for a crazy teenage daughter, another reason to wrap it up or get a vasectomy.

[TravelerKai]

Wrong again. The correct solution is to avoid crazy bitches. If that even means no American women then so be it. Deal with women you can handle. If not go abroad. Shunning all basic human interaction is defeatist talk and giving up on life itself.

The goal here is to live better not give up like an mgtow.

[Suits]

^I call it a 12 hour jail sentence.

It's not like it isn't jail if the time is minimal. Just because you aren't transferred to a prison, doesn't mean that it isn't punishing.

Anytime my freedom is restricted, I consider it a punishment.

When my dad was in college, one of his friends couldn't afford to pay a speeding ticket (or some moving violation), so the judge let him do 10 hours in jail instead.

It wasn't a 10 hour "cooling off" period, it was a punishment for driving like an idiot.




Now, sometimes, quite logically, a person's freedom does need to be restricted. If there is evidence that a person has committed a crime, it's logical to hold them in custody until I can be determined that they won't just run off to try to avoid the charges. Even if charges aren't pressed immediately, the police can hold you as they gather evidence.

However, not only is the time period that they have to work with limited, but if they royally screw up, you can sue them (sometimes successfully) for taking away your freedom without due cause.

Sure, they tend to be given a wide breadth by judges, but the expectation is that they can justify taking away a man's freedom.



With this proposal, a man can now be held based on nothing more than an accusation. There is no expectation that taking away that man's freedom must ever be justified before a judge. Suing would be pointless, because the police, in this case, would be "just following procedure/the law."

Sure, there's a slight chance that the accuser could be charged with making a false police report, but when does that ever happen to an American woman?

[Suits]

(01-15-2015 08:16 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  

As for a crazy teenage daughter, another reason to wrap it up or get a vasectomy.

Whoa, man. You shouldn't be doing that with your teenage daughter, whether you wrap it or not.

[Merenguero]

(01-15-2015 08:42 PM)Suits Wrote:  

Sure, there's a slight chance that the accuser could be charged with making a false police report, but when does that ever happen to an American woman?

Very rarely. In fact, I never see it. The main problem is that in most cases, the alleged victim/police and the Defendant are the only ones who really know what happened and in the absence of a video, it is really difficult to prove that th a person made a false report.

[Alpharius]

(01-15-2015 08:50 PM)Suits Wrote:  

(01-15-2015 08:16 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  

As for a crazy teenage daughter, another reason to wrap it up or get a vasectomy.

Whoa, man. You shouldn't be doing that with your teenage daughter, whether you wrap it or not.

Especially if she's crazy.

[Ensam]

Already the policy in San Francisco. I know women who've ended up being the ones arrested - so at least they're somewhat fair about it.

[Alpharius]

For the record: They pioneered this in MN long ago. Here's how I've seen it played out both in and out of uniform:

Fight happens at a home.
Someone calls 911.
Cops show up.
Cops remove whoever isn't in control of themselves.

While it had the intention of saving women who were being assaulted by out of control dudes, it usually ends up with the woman being taken away because she's the one in hysterics by the time the cops show up.

[Merenguero]

(01-15-2015 09:31 PM)Osiris Wrote:  

For the record: They pioneered this in MN long ago. Here's how I've seen it played out both in and out of uniform:

Fight happens at a home.
Someone calls 911.
Cops show up.
Cops remove whoever isn't in control of themselves.

While it had the intention of saving women who were being assaulted by out of control dudes, it usually ends up with the woman being taken away because she's the one in hysterics by the time the cops show up.

In 90% of cases, either the guy gets taken away or they both get taken away. I've done several hundred domestic violence cases and several hundred domestic related criminal cases over the past twelve plus years.

[Ingocnito]

Yep, right in line with the NJ fraud rape law.

The state I live in they usually cart all involved parties off to the clink, even if you called and seem to have no part in it. Either gender.

Cops and the judicial wing don't give a shit, they want money. They want to "force" you to do business with them. As I've stated

before, they care about two tax payers damaging each other's ability to pay money into the system, NOT whether two people hurt each other, live or die.

By calling the cops you're telling the judicial system "I want to do business with you." Not; "I want the protection my tax dollars provide me."

If it's a situation where violence has not occurred yet, it is definitely wise to be the first to call however. My new initiative called "Out
Bitch the Bitch," is based on any time a girl threatens to call the cops or involve the law, right then and there I call them providing I'm not intoxicated.

Most components of law still have a logical basis, and when you appeal to a cop's logic first, you typically set the stage.