[WestIndianArchie]

As usual I make a point, and cats just want to argue some bullshit.

I rest my case.

WIA

(01-10-2015 11:24 PM)Kingsley Davis Wrote:  

(01-10-2015 11:06 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(01-10-2015 09:17 PM)Kingsley Davis Wrote:  

When was the last time a NAACP office was bombed? You're a quality poster here but this victim shit is getting long in the tooth.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national...-1.2072798

Happened a few days ago in Jan 2015.
You think I just pulled that out of my Afro?

You do know that West Indian Archie is a minor character in the Autobiography of Malcolm X? This is not some game that I'm playing.

More importantly, I write a gang of shit that could be argued or refuted, but cats that don't know do the knowledge hone in on ONE DETAIL and try to disprove my entire argument.

And when that ONE DETAIL is RIGHT, you not gonna see an apology, much less a sincere attempt to rethink the bullshit.

No argument of mine is ever gonna make one of y'all pick up a book, or even look around your own world with new eyes. You just gonna repeat the party line, like everyone else does.

I see it in the race discussions, and I see it in the game discussions. Cats repeating the same shit they read someplace else, but never thinking about the shit deeper. Where are the soft spots in the theory? How does this work in the real world?

Again, RVF is not the appropriate venue to have this discussion.

WIA

We all are repeating shit we read somewhere else including yourself and RVF more than qualify as place for this discussion.

[enderilluminatus]

[Kingsley Davis]

(01-10-2015 11:54 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

As usual I make a point, and cats just want to argue some bullshit.

I rest my case.

WIA

(01-10-2015 11:24 PM)Kingsley Davis Wrote:  

(01-10-2015 11:06 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(01-10-2015 09:17 PM)Kingsley Davis Wrote:  

When was the last time a NAACP office was bombed? You're a quality poster here but this victim shit is getting long in the tooth.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national...-1.2072798

Happened a few days ago in Jan 2015.
You think I just pulled that out of my Afro?

You do know that West Indian Archie is a minor character in the Autobiography of Malcolm X? This is not some game that I'm playing.

More importantly, I write a gang of shit that could be argued or refuted, but cats that don't know do the knowledge hone in on ONE DETAIL and try to disprove my entire argument.

And when that ONE DETAIL is RIGHT, you not gonna see an apology, much less a sincere attempt to rethink the bullshit.

No argument of mine is ever gonna make one of y'all pick up a book, or even look around your own world with new eyes. You just gonna repeat the party line, like everyone else does.

I see it in the race discussions, and I see it in the game discussions. Cats repeating the same shit they read someplace else, but never thinking about the shit deeper. Where are the soft spots in the theory? How does this work in the real world?

Again, RVF is not the appropriate venue to have this discussion.

WIA

We all are repeating shit we read somewhere else including yourself and RVF more than qualify as place for this discussion.

You made "some point" on some shit that happened years before you, me and all RVF members were born. Please address why the forum is not the ideal venue for this discussion.

[Mufasa]

I find it interesting that The that people that have lived it ie: boosie and kendrick are the ones recieving backlash.

Real talk kendrick is right: black lives will not matter and people will continue to think the same while we're out hear in the streets robing and killing each other. As a man of honor and integrity one cannot demand that whites treat our lives like they matter when we treat our lives like they don't.
Mike Brown's death was wrong (at the point of getting shot he should have just been arrested) but his dumb ass shouldn't have put himself in a situation to get blasted.

You have to be congruent with your demands and actions. Perhaps he could and should have worded it a little better but I agree wholeheartedly.

[WestIndianArchie]

(01-11-2015 12:00 AM)Kingsley Davis Wrote:  

You made "some point" on some shit that happened years before you, me and all RVF members were born. Please address why the forum is not the ideal venue for this discussion.

NAACP was bombed last week, not years ago.

But you aren't intellectually honest, like a lot of the political types here.

So there's no point in talking about it.

WIA

[Kingsley Davis]

(01-11-2015 12:25 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(01-11-2015 12:00 AM)Kingsley Davis Wrote:  

You made "some point" on some shit that happened years before you, me and all RVF members were born. Please address why the forum is not the ideal venue for this discussion.

NAACP was bombed last week, not years ago.

But you aren't intellectually honest, like a lot of the political types here.

So there's no point in talking about it.

WIA

"Political types"?
Thanks for assuming i'm not intellectually honest because i fail to subscribe to your victim mind state.

[GeroMeroHero]

Since I know a white guy's opinion matters so much...

the NAACP bombing is looking like a hoax
http://gotnews.com/breaking-confirmed-co...rackering/

So much so that MSNBC had to use a kebab shop in France
http://media.tumblr.com/7fb583d50b7d30eb...r7h0b1.jpg

Part of why people don't argue back that much is the rules around being a race troll can be tricky from my understanding.
Your points were also vague I found and some of them rather silly. I should think it is common knowledge that diversity quotas help blacks.
Moreover, many of those injustices were a long time ago. And what I think the rappers in this thread are saying is this, "how can we blame the white man for what he did in the past if we don't look after ourselves now. Otherwise we are expecting him to pay for his ancestors without taking responsibility for our children."

[speakeasy]

(01-10-2015 10:12 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

On point as always Archie, some people cannot handle the truth and the facts.

You also forgot the part about when they burnt black churches with little girls in them.

NAACP was useless from the get go.

Kendrick Lamar like all rappers are entertainers, again he has to tow the company line so he doesn't get the Cosby treatment.

Oh really? I guess Kanye West was towing the line when he said "Bush doesn't care about black people after Katrina". Yeah that really hurt his career didn't it.

Couldn't be that Kendrick was simply expressing a genuine opinion. An opinion which seemed pretty sanguine to me.

(01-10-2015 11:17 PM)Goldin Boy Wrote:  

If I could wave a wand and stop Black from wearing saggy pants, selling drugs, and using slang...guess what? The unemployment rate will stay relatively the same. Why?

The people levying those criticisms use those observations to rationalize their pre-existing dislike of Blacks

Don't totally agree with this premise. Racism is always a factor to some degree, but there's also an education and skills gap, and many more coming from difficult backgrounds such as parents who weren't strict on education, not to mention many black men in certain demographics are simply unemployable due to having rap sheets.

I generally don't hear these types of concerns coming from African educated immigrants who seem to do well in America.

[enderilluminatus]

Had to do it.

[GeroMeroHero]

Cosby treatment? As I recall, Cosby fell out of favor because he said thug culture was a betrayal of black children.
Sounds like what Lamar said

[Eldon]

Bill Cosby made his famous Poundcake speech in 2004. Yet the evil media waited till 2014 to bring him down with 24+ and counting women (most of whom can't benefit financially) who all say he drugged them. I'm sure the canceled shows will put a dent in his ~500 million net worth.

[speakeasy]

(01-11-2015 02:26 AM)enderilluminatus Wrote:  

Had to do it.

Lol, that white dude had no idea how the fuck to react to Kanye. He was trying to hold it together.

[Geomann180]

(01-11-2015 02:26 AM)enderilluminatus Wrote:  

Had to do it.

That reporter looks like Mike Meyers. I kept expecting him to break out the
"Fat Bastard" brand of Scottish accent.

G

[enderilluminatus]

It is Mike Meyers.

http://www.gq.com/entertainment/celebrit...rentPage=3

It's weird to think that for a certain generation the moment they may most readily associate you with in recent years is when Kanye West said "George Bush doesn't care about black people" on the Katrina telethon while you were standing next to him looking a little...well, I don't know how to describe you.
Surprised.

And a bit uncomfortable, maybe?
Yes.

Do you remember what you were thinking as he said it?
I don't do many things. And I remember watching the television and seeing, because I'm a citizen now, my fellow citizens on the roofs of buildings dying. And I turned into my father, where my dad would shout at the TV. My dad hated injustice. I've been called for many, many telethons, hither and yon, and I remember just being so upset and feeling, ironically, that if this was white people on roofs, the army would be there in five seconds. And these are my fellow citizens, who just happen to be people of color, sitting on roofs for multiple days. So when they called me I said, "Yeah, I'll do it." I went there specifically because I wanted to help the Red Cross. I was supposed to be by myself, and I was, like, "fine", then they said "Do you mind doing it with somebody else?" And I always remembered that Live Aid thing of "leave your egos at the door", so I said, "Sure, of course." And they said, "Would you do it with Kanye West?" and I said, "Uh, sure." I actually wasn't familiar with his work. And then he said he was going to take some liberties with the thing.

So he gave you kind of a warning.
Yes, but I didn't know that the liberty would be calling out the president.

If you watch the footage, I don't think he knew.
I don't think so either. But the question itself is a little beside the point of what actually went down in New Orleans. For me it isn't about the look of embarrassment on my face, it is truly about the injustice that was happening in New Orleans. I don't mind answering the question but the emphasis of it being that I'm the guy next to the guy who spoke a truth. I assume that George Bush does care about black people—I mean I don't know him, I'm going to make that assumption—but I can definitively say that it appeared to me watching television that had that been white people, the government would have been there faster. And so to me that's really the point—the look on my face is, to me, almost insulting to the true essence of what went down in New Orleans. You know, there's a great line by the great Northern English poet Elvis Costello, as sung by Nick Lowe: "What's so funny 'bout peace love and understanding?" [Myers seems both dubious and slightly irked when I tell him that it was the other way round—the song was written by Nick Lowe but made famous by Costello.] The point being that. What is so funny about peace, love, and understanding? To have the emphasis on the look on my face versus the fact that somebody spoke truth to power at a time when somebody needed to speak? I'm very proud to have been next to him. Do you know what I mean?

Of course.
I'm, like, super proud to have been next to him. The look on my face is...to be honest with you, I thought I handled it well. I was like "This is what's happening..." Because live TV is my milieu, and improv is my training, you know. It has been painful that the culture has at times meditated on my surprise, when it's really the message, dude. The message, the message, the message, you know. There's a world of fail culture, and it's hardly a fail on my part to be next to the guy that spoke truth to power at a time when horrific injustices... [he trails off, point made]

I was watching it live in a hotel lobby in Northern California, and I can still remember it exactly.
I'm not downplaying its remarkableness. I mean it is what it is, dude. You know, I'm having a remarkable experience on this planet, a truly extraordinary experience. Given where I'm from, I am so grateful for the extraordinariness of it. I'm having an extraordinary experience on the planet.

[TravelerKai]

I'm not going to get into a debate over the NAACP, but lets not pretend they are not very different today than they were back in the 1960s. That said, they still help to serve some useful functions especially the kind that relate to basic civil rights, which is important for everyone.

Kendrick was on point. He did not have his facts wrong at all. Look at it this way. This is the planet Earth. When in the history of man, has any ethnic group of people gotten respect, reparations, etc. from other ethnic groups without doing anything for themselves first? When someone can show me an example in history of this happening I will admit that I am wrong.

The old folks used to say that, if you treat your own family like trash, others will too. What makes our reality living in America worthy of anything better when we still treat each other like trash? Because the Constitution says so? Like Bush said, The Constitution is just a god damned piece of paper. Human nature is still human nature. People treat others according to the values others perceive them to have. Is that right or wrong is debatable. Is it fair? No, but it's reality. Adapt or die. There are many ways to create value and we are improving but its slow progress.

Look at the Jews, the Italians, the Irish, the Germans, the Polish, in America. They took care of themselves well enough that it either pissed off other whites, established enough community/security to insulate to protect their interests, or both. Italians have been a pain in the ass of others whites well before Prohibition. I'm not glorifying their criminal stuff, but the rest.

Athlone/Excelsior pointed out stone cold facts either in our PM convos or somewhere else I forgot, that the people of Ferguson never bothered to vote, had a white mayor, despite having a heavy black majority constituency. With their numbers there was no reason at all they had to have elected white leadership. What's their excuse? Super low turn outs show a lack of concern for one another. Giving their city to the hands of people that do not give a fuck about them, is akin to giving your enemy the rope to hang you with.

Black Americans have had a raw deal. No one should dispute that. The American family is under attack on all race and socioeconomic levels. Just when we are in a position to turn the corner hard, the rest of America develops the same curses that held us down for so long. So what's the solution? Take more responsibility and make significant efforts to change the course. Dropping the victim mentality would catapult Blacks into prosperity. Many other groups have dropped their faith in God, but most of us have not, that can help give us an advantage as well.

Flogging whites and others won't work. It worked when we were in chains and when they treated us worst than animals. There is always a diminishing return on anything in the world. When you have tried all this stupid protesting and supporting criminals, and it fails, what more do you want to do? The same things? That shit doesnt work! At some point, blacks have to drop the victim mentality and strive higher and collaborate. I think this must come from the men. The women have to be born in the right families to be worth adding to the community. Men have to drive this. We know what happpens when black women drive shit.

What happens if we fail to do this? Continuing decline into degeneracy, the split of Black America into the rich and the poor blacks, the continuing decline in family, and continuation of liberal feminist centric behavior. We will become another kind of Brazil, Egypt, or Nigeria. Or worst, we fall into the trash can with everyone else in a massive decline, creating the largest Brazil in history. If you think Favelas are bad now, wait until you see an American version complete with stronger weaponry than a mere pistol pulled out of some dusty shorts.

Is it too late to salvage this? Anyone's guess is as good as another's. Getting more to the redpill is better that's for sure. The more that stay stuck in the lies of social liberal ideas, the worst their lives will become.

And RVF is a good place to discuss these things. You cannot do anywhere else that has moderators. You cannot approach Black think tanks with papers written with redpill ideology. Perhaps someday if enough black posters want to create a large side project to make a black man's redpill forum, that's fine, but right now there are not enough of us to bother with that right now. Not in my opinion at least, but I could be very wrong about that. I think ALL men need to band together and collaborate and drop all the ethnic and race shit. Radical Islam and the Manosphere isnt compatible, and we are separating ourselves from WN and BN elements well enough, so everything else should be able to work together. So far so good.

[speakeasy]

^^^ Good post.

Ultimately respect comes from power. That's the bottom line. People with power never need to complain. That is the territory of the powerless. Powerless people complain for example about not getting enough serious roles in Hollywood and beg for the status quo to reconsider for our sake out of compassion. Powerful people start their own production companies and make their own movies in whatever likeness they choose. The white/Jewish entertainment industry really owes us nothing and any of our demands they meet are just throwing us a crumb or two for PR.

Black people worldwide will be truly respected when we have serious social/political/financial power and the teeth to back it up. We've never had that in our entire history in this continent or in Africa. Otherwise, we are basically begging for others to respect us out of mercy and justice, not fear that we will seriously fuck their shit up if they do us wrong. The latter is what you want. If we had that, slavery would never even have happened.

[TravelerKai]

(01-11-2015 02:16 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

^^^ Good post.

Ultimately respect comes from power. That's the bottom line. People with power never need to complain. That is the territory of the powerless. Powerless people complain for example about not getting enough serious roles in Hollywood and beg for the status quo to reconsider for our sake out of compassion. Powerful people start their own production companies and make their own movies in whatever likeness they choose. The white/Jewish entertainment industry really owes us nothing and any of our demands they meet are just throwing us a crumb or two for PR.

Black people worldwide will be truly respected when we have serious social/political/financial power and the teeth to back it up. We've never had that in our entire history in this continent or in Africa. Otherwise, we are basically begging for others to respect us out of mercy and justice, not fear that we will seriously fuck their shit up if they do us wrong. The latter is what you want. If we had that, slavery would never even have happened.

I agree with you except for the part about slavery.

Slavery happened for lots of reasons and respect had nothing to do with it. West African slave traders sold their own people out for the almighty dollar or whatever currency they took. White slavers while just as responsible for capture, could not have done it without other blacks willing to go into tribal areas and remote areas and take men, women, and children.

Also, the US conducted slavery in times when other European countries stopped doing it. The French were the first to stop doing it. The US was last because the South was trying to compete economically with the North as well as the economic benefit England gained from cheap Southern cotton helping to fuel their Industrial Revolution, something that depended upon the South's raw materials to help achieve.

The South also benefited from slavery by not having to retool technology wise because of nearly free labor essentially. It was an efficiency issue.

Slaves revolted time after time, but it was never enough for what should be obvious reasons. I have an ancestor that allegedy led a revolt that killed many whites, as did Nat Turner. They did not have the numbers and strategic support to overthrow.

Asymmetric warfare was not as sophisticated back then as it is now. If it was, France and England probably would have found ways to arm free blacks, train them, and help them conduct clandestine operations to subvert Southern power over blacks in the region. Asymmetric Warfare did not take off until after WW2, although it existed before then such as the American Revolution, when the French assisted the Americans against Britain.

Blacks were essentially outnumbered, outclassed, and outpowered back then all the way up to now actually.....Now all we have left is assimilation, regardless of how useless it looks on the surface.

[godfather dust]

Words of wisdom from Kendrick. I fail to see anything objectionable, or possible to object to, in that snippet. But shit, guess bitches gotta bitch.

[R Smoov]

I don't give a shit about the political views on this shit.

Azalea Banks has Lil Kim Syndrome where she talks shit about other rappers in order to get shine. Didn't go so well for Kim either.

Kendrick Lamar is cool. And I dont remember a time when I pregamed to Azalea Banks music.

Shut up Azalea Banks.

[godfather dust]

(01-11-2015 07:35 PM)R Smoov Wrote:  

Shut up Azalea Banks.

Bitch talks way too much. I don't listen to female rappers anyway though.

[rudebwoy]

(01-10-2015 09:06 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(01-10-2015 03:55 PM)Kingsley Davis Wrote:  

What facts did Kendrick get wrong?

"But when we don't have respect for ourselves, how do we expect them to respect us? It starts from within,"

That's some bullshit.
That's some grade A bullshit.

That's some "blame the victim" bullshit.

Personally, I don't find RVF to be conducive to discussing black politics, but this idea that if we just act right, then they'll just treat us right.

We have centuries of acting right and being BRUTALIZED for it. And that's just life and limb as well as liberty.

Let's just talk about the past 50-60 years.

When black people tried to go to good schools, they would go after children.
When that didn't stop, they moved en masse so that we couldn't go to their schools.
Those of us that make it to school, have a tough time, typically because of poor schools in the first place.

You make it through school, probably don't get the internship, because you never "fit the culture"

Send out resumes, get chunked if you have the wrong first name, if it sounds too black.

I could go on and on, but i'm talking about people that are actively trying to do it right, play by the rules.

Can't get anywhere. I could go on about health care, job and educational opportunities, as consumers, so on and so forth.

Black Americans in general respect themselves and play by the rules.
It's the norm.

Meanwhile NAACP offices, a now useless organization gets bombed and doesn't get any coverage.

So for Kendrick to say that if black people respected themselves then they'd treat us with respect.

Folks who agree with Kendrick just don't do the knowledge.

They see some young dudes with their boxer showing and be like "yo them niggas deserve to get shot, to get followed around by cops, etc"

Lot of them folks still don't think that we're human.

I'd tie this in to Cosby, but already my perspective is already odd man out.

WIA

Lets argue these facts instead of what Kendrick stated.

Sorry Kai, but a black mayor would not have helped the situation in Ferguson. We have a black president and these stories seem to be more regular as of late, the latest one being a 14 year old boy.

I know people love to point to other groups, but the Irish were given jobs in the police force when they came to America. The Italians were given jobs in construction and in turn established unions. Many incentives were given to certain groups to come to America.
Blacks were not even given an acre and a mule. When blacks talk about reparations people go quiet. Did you know Johnnie Cochrane was working on this before he became ill and passed away.

I am no means playing the victim, the same issues Archie pointed out apply in Canada and England.

[JohnyBoi95]

I knew this was gonna become a race thread when I saw it but anyway I agree with everything WIA said.

People here seem to assume that the hardworking bootstrap type of african american is the outlier.

Respectability politics can only get you so far so when everything is stacked against you and every other race has a low opinion of you essentially putting you at the botttom of the totem pole. It's funny a comment like that came from kendrick. The same guy from a couple years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xRerLLcJvY

[Intro]
Everybody put three fingers in the air
The sky is falling, the wind is calling
Stand for something or die in the morning
Section 80, HiiiPower

[Verse 1]
Visions of Martin Luther staring at me
Malcolm X put a hex on my future, someone catch me
I'm falling victim to a revolutionary song, the Serengeti's clone
Back to put you backstabbers back on your spinal bone
You slipped your disc when I slid you my disc
You wanted to diss but jumped on my dick
Grown men never should bite their tongue
Unless you eating pussy that smell like it's a stale plum
I got my finger on the mothafuckin' pistol
Aiming it at a pig, Charlotte's web is going to miss you
My issue isn't televised, and you ain't gotta tell the wise
How to stay on beat, because our life's an instrumental
This is physical and mental, I won't sugar coat it
You'd die from diabetes if these other niggas wrote it
And everything on TV just a figment of imagination
I don't want plastic nation, dread that like a Haitian
While you mothafuckas waiting, I be off the slave ship
Building pyramids, writing my own hieroglyphs

[Hook]
Just call the shit HiiiPower
Nigga nothing less than HiiiPower
Five-star dishes, food for thought bitches
I mean the shit is, Huey Newton going stupid
You can't resist his HiiiPower
Throw your hands up for HiiiPower

[Verse 2]
Visions of Martin Luther staring at me
If I see it how he seen it, that would make my parents happy
Sorry mama, I can't turn the other cheek
They wanna knock me off the edge like a fucking widow's peak, uhh
And she always told me pray for the weak, uhh
Them demons got me, I ain't prayed in some weeks, uhh
Dear Lord come save me, the devil's working hard
He probly clocking double shifts on all of his jobs
Frightening, so fucking frightening
Enough to drive a man insane, I need a license to kill
I'm standing on the field full of land mines
Doing the moonwalk, hoping I blow up in time
Cause 2012 might not be a fucking legend
Tryna be a fucking legend, the man of mankind
Who said a black man in the Illuminati?
Last time I checked, that was the biggest racist party
So get up off that slave ship
Build your own pyramids, write your own hieroglyphs

[Hook]
Just call the shit HiiiPower
Nigga nothing less than HiiiPower
Five-star dishes, food for thought bitches
I mean the shit is, Bobby Seale making meals
You can't resist his HiiiPower
Throw your hands up for HiiiPower

[Bridge: Alori Joh]
Every day we fight the system just to make our way
We been down for too long, but that's alright
We was built to be strong, cause it's our life, na-na-na
Every day we fight the system, we fight the system
We fight the system (Never like the system)
We been down for too long but that's alright, na-na-na

[Verse 3]
Who said a black man in the Illuminati?
Last time I checked, that was the biggest racist party
Last time I checked, we was racing with Marcus Garvey
On the freeway to Africa 'til I wreck my Audi
And I want everybody to view my autopsy
So you can see exactly where the government had shot me
No conspiracy, my fate is inevitable
They play musical chairs once I'm on that pedestal
Frightening, so fucking frightening
Enough to drive a man insane, a woman insane
The reason Lauryn Hill don't sing, or Kurt Cobain
Loaded that clip and then said bang, the drama it bring is crazy
Product of the late 80's
Tryna stay above water, that's why we shun the navy
Pull your guns and play me, let's set it off
Cause a riot, throw a Molotov, somebody told me them pirates had got lost
Cause we been off them slave ships
Got our own pyramids, write our own hieroglyphs

[Hook]
Just call the shit HiiiPower
Yeah nothing less than HiiiPower
Five-star dishes, food for thought bitches
I mean the shit is, Fred Hampton on your campus
You can't resist his HiiiPower
Throw your hands up for HiiiPower

[enderilluminatus]

(01-11-2015 09:57 PM)JohnyBoi95 Wrote:  

Who said a black man in the Illuminati?
Last time I checked, that was the biggest racist party
So get up off that slave ship
Build your own pyramids, write your own hieroglyphs

Amen.

[Clemmo]

(01-11-2015 07:35 PM)R Smoov Wrote:  

I don't give a shit about the political views on this shit.

Azalea Banks has Lil Kim Syndrome where she talks shit about other rappers in order to get shine. Didn't go so well for Kim either.

Kendrick Lamar is cool. And I dont remember a time when I pregamed to Azalea Banks music.

Shut up Azalea Banks.

This is the same women who said White Boys Do Eat Pussy Better

Quote:

"I’d like to move to London, but I’d have to find a British man first," she told us. "Stiff upper lip? Yeah, and you know what that’s good for, right?"

"White boys do eat pussy better than everyone else, though, I will say that. Maybe it’s those thin white-boy lips!"

She's the last person to be taken seriously about racial matters

[Fortis]

(01-10-2015 11:53 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(01-10-2015 11:10 PM)Fortis Wrote:  

(01-10-2015 09:06 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

I'd tie this in to Cosby, but already my perspective is already odd man out.

WIA

Can you tie this back to Cosby? I'd actually like to see what you think on this, given that I can tell we both think a bit differently.

1) In my unlearned opinion Cosby has a kink. And now he's paying for it. Some of them broads are lying, but some of them ain't

2) Cosby and Kendrick are dissenters

But taking it all the way back, Cosby and his show were "respectability politics" in TV form.
To see the paragon of respectability brought low....

WIA

I feel you there, but does the fact that Cosby and Lamar are dissenters mean they're necessarily wrong? Don't get me wrong, Cosby's invective against the black community at large was unnecessary. Sure, we have some stinkers in our community, but the average black person really is just trying keep afloat in this fucked up economy.

When white America has a cold, black america has a flu.

But I think Lamar is definitely onto something. Brown shouldn't have been shot down in the streets, but he didn't exactly make a compelling case for himself by being a robber. Hopefully I'm making sense?