[Bobco]

The demographics indicate to me that a major war is not far off

[civpro]

This is why the 80/20 rule is fast becoming the all-encompassing governing rule of the Anglo sexual marketplace. You are either part of that upper tier or you are sexually invisible. Genetics permitting, your singular mission is to elevate yourself to that level, otherwise forget about it, you're not gonna be picking up cute girls on the regular and any player life is not for you. Your options are: 1) become an orbiter, 2) join RSD, 3) pay for it, 4) go to an easier location.

[Sonsowey]

(01-08-2015 02:50 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 10:26 AM)Sonsowey Wrote:  

While the U.S. is certainly worse than most destinations people here frequent, at least in NYC there is still unlimited choice amongst a lot of guys who are clueless.

http://jonathansoma.com/singles/

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Way back in 2006, NYC had 200,000 more single women than single men. By 2011, that'd shrunk down to 150,000.

What you just showed was single people age 18-65.

Look at 18-29, or any range of younger people. Men outnumber women in NYC. All the same there are plenty of available girls all the time. Competition at the very top is fierce of course, but there are plenty of pretty girls who aren't in elite social-circles who are more than available to the "average" guy with his shit together.

[MrXY]

(01-08-2015 03:48 PM)civpro Wrote:  

This is why the 80/20 rule is fast becoming the all-encompassing governing rule of the Anglo sexual marketplace. You are either part of that upper tier or you are sexually invisible. Genetics permitting, your singular mission is to elevate yourself to that level, otherwise forget about it, you're not gonna be picking up cute girls on the regular and any player life is not for you. Your options are: 1) become an orbiter, 2) join RSD, 3) pay for it, 4) go to an easier location.

The 80/20 rule occured to me as well, although I think it' more like 85/15 at this point and may worsen to 90/10 for girls 7.5 and above.

Rapidly growing economic and social inequality in the US, plus obesity plus feminism is creating a situation in which the top tier men and scooping up almost all the quality women, whether for fucking or wife material. The top men are going to end up with small harems, whether soft or hard, while the bottom 50% will be either sexless or stuck will wildebeests, and the rest of guys with average to mediocre women they struggle to hang onto.

One clear sign of this is how many women have told me over the last few years that they have friends who have sugardaddies. I never used to hear this and now it's beciming a common practice.

[Samseau]

These charts explain why Bar game is a waste of time though. Just about any other way to meet girls is better, street, subway, coffee shops, dance places, book clubs, even tinder, anything really. You gotta think outside the box nowadays or waste massive amounts of time. The return on investment is becoming very fucking low for bar game. Most of the time girls go out is just to talk with their friends, there's so much dick in their lives they do not need to go out to get laid anymore.

[civpro]

In an ideal dating system, men are able to find and date their equals with relative quickness and ease. Instead we are moving toward a more constrained set of dating "classes".

Top-Tier: Genetic Beast/Put-Together Guy "Game". Do well through whatever channel. Monopolize casual sex with girls in the 4-7/10 range. Old, ethnic, short, bald, ugly, out of shape are excluded from this largely by default.

Low-Tier or "The Rest"-Tier: Fringe Game, for genetically middling/below average guys. Commit to mass approaching for hardly more than a 1% success rate with middling/below average girls.

"Catch All Basin": Jim Halpert Game, open for guys of all levels, but the only truly practical way for average guys. Invest months to YEARS into a circle or a hobby. Behave. Bide your time. Hopefully one girl will decide to open herself up to your tempered advances. Lock her down quickly; fend off others.

So you have to either be gifted, patient, or work like a dog. If you're a newly single 5/10 and you want to go out, put a little bit of work in, talk to a few dozen girls, and find an available equal (5/10) and start dating her - guess what, it's not gonna happen like that. There is no "logic" to the system anymore. You have to approach it through these very skewed categories. You have to ask yourself, which one do I fall into? Personally I fall in Fringe Game, as do all the well meaning but unsuccessful community guys I've met in my city. It's a lost cause for us nowadays. Outside of that I know about 5 guys who fall into Top-Tier: young, handsome, good job, tall, in shape, white or near-white. They're 8/10s and they have it good. Meanwhile I know a few 6/10 guys who were semi-players in the mid-'00s but who now can't cut it in the '10s and just play video games, watch sports, and fap.

[Foolsgo1d]

The current outlets of death for men are not enough. I'm sure mother nature and human nature has ways of culling it drastically somehow. Checks and balances are required to control a population less it runs rampant and consumes itself out of existence.

It happens to all animal societies and insect life.

[civpro]

(01-08-2015 04:36 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

These charts explain why Bar game is a waste of time though. Just about any other way to meet girls is better... even tinder, anything really.

That's particular bit is actually not true at all. If you're a 4/10 guy you'll get a 0% success rate online. If you're a 4/10 guy who can approach you'll get a 0.5% success rate at night.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(01-08-2015 04:36 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

These charts explain why Bar game is a waste of time though. Just about any other way to meet girls is better, street, subway, coffee shops, dance places, book clubs, even tinder, anything really. You gotta think outside the box nowadays or waste massive amounts of time. The return on investment is becoming very fucking low for bar game. Most of the time girls go out is just to talk with their friends, there's so much dick in their lives they do not need to go out to get laid anymore.

The funny thing is that feminists recommend only night clubs or bars to meet women - there they have the upper hand in all encounters. If they were in some remote town in the Ukraine with 70-30 ratios against them, then the bitches would not be so uppity.

They resent all other forms of real-life Game, because then they risk getting approached by one of the 80% undeserving men who are out there. Online dating is fine again, because getting 100 messages daily is a bummer, but at least it feeds the hamster and they can always filter the top 5% in looks, Game or fame to fuck. There the world is perfect as well - any place where women have an overwhelming power and massive choice - the world is in order.

[rhr]

(01-08-2015 10:49 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

http://jonathansoma.com/singles/#1/3/2/0

It's very bad...

Again, just looking at this pic, one thing is obvious:

The pension system is going to collapse. After that, 3rd world style poverty is waiting for that country.

The future is amazingly easy to predict if you just understand a few basic principles of how the world works...

[Kingsley Davis]

(01-08-2015 08:04 PM)rhr Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 10:49 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

http://jonathansoma.com/singles/#1/3/2/0

It's very bad...

Again, just looking at this pic, one thing is obvious:

The pension system is going to collapse. After that, 3rd world style poverty is waiting for that country.

The future is amazingly easy to predict if you just understand a few basic principles of how the world works...

How so with all those men contributing?

[El Chinito loco]

(01-08-2015 08:04 PM)rhr Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 10:49 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

http://jonathansoma.com/singles/#1/3/2/0

It's very bad...

Again, just looking at this pic, one thing is obvious:

The pension system is going to collapse. After that, 3rd world style poverty is waiting for that country.

The future is amazingly easy to predict if you just understand a few basic principles of how the world works...

It certainly does not look good at all. Young men also have high (and rising) unemployment.

Most cities in the U.S. are a sausage fest of young men. It doesn't take a genius to put two and two together on how this is a bad thing. FBI stats have indicated lowered crime rate but I wonder if this is due in part to increased police state type enforcement. Another question to ponder is whether the increase in the police state infrastructure is due in part to government anticipation of these future social issues.

It sounds conspiratorial but it does some sense. Instead of addressing the broader social issues you just increase the police presence and social restrictions instead. This is how mainland China deals with things too..

[berserk]

How many of those men in surplus are effectively taken out due to very low IQ, autism, homosexuality, mental illness, deformity and such?

[Travesty]

(01-08-2015 08:40 PM)berserk Wrote:  

How many of those men in surplus are effectively taken out due to very low IQ, autism, homosexuality, mental illness, deformity and such?

Almost zero compared to fat chicks.

[El Chinito loco]

(01-08-2015 08:43 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 08:40 PM)berserk Wrote:  

How many of those men in surplus are effectively taken out due to very low IQ, autism, homosexuality, mental illness, deformity and such?

Almost zero compared to fat chicks.

This is another problem. Degeneracy is easily matched if not surpassed by the women. For every ladyboy mincing around town with lipstick in a sunday dress you'll have two short hairs with double chins and septum piercings.

[unbowed]

(01-08-2015 08:40 PM)berserk Wrote:  

How many of those men in surplus are effectively taken out due to very low IQ, autism, homosexuality, mental illness, deformity and such?

You mean factored in? American girls don't really care for intellect. Homosexuality doesn't stop fag hags from hooking up with gay guys. And the more dark triad you exhibit, the more favorably a typical American girl will respond.

Also to compound this I don't think so many guys are as clueless as is hoped. It's not hard to google/youtube "how to meet girls in the night/day/online/overseas" and stumble onto game material. If guys can search for porn, they can search for game.

Maybe not all of them have read extensively and adopted the right mindsets and tactics, but these guys don't have to be casanovas to poison the well. RSD spambots, tinder autoswipes, triple street stops, opinion openers down the bar line, these all snowball.

Hell guys don't need anything but a desire for sex. And if they're not reading about game then they're being bombarded with sex through media.

It does feel like the walls are closing in. The attitudes are getting more rotten. 3 years ago I was younger, stupider and less game-aware and I didn't feel it to be as bad as now. Girls just shove through, ignore people when they don't like what they hear and act like they dominate the place. I can also feel guys getting more aggressive. The thirst is manifesting in 24/7 Black Friday behavior.

Generally I find seduction in Europe feels like a dance whereas in America it feels like a fight.

The most pleasant American girls I've met have been from the deep south. Take a Polish attitude, belle accent sans vocal fry/"um like you know" and you get the picture. Usually on the thin side, though I may have been lucky in my sampling.

Come to think of it, the ones who were in town to visit their ex-southern friends were more pleasant than their friends living in NYC. Made me curious about traveling through the south and parts of the Midwest.

Unless a girl really catches my attention (usually foreign-radar) I'm trading in my gatling for a scope, which in itself is not very effective in the US. Either way, 5 new Russian words, 20 minutes worth of developing a new skillset, a good night's sleep, all these things are worth 10 American approaches for me.

Counting down for another trip.

[MrLemon]

Imbalances of this type have happened all through history. They are always resolved by war. Think: 50-100 million dead, plus famine.

Enjoy the decline.

[Kizman]

Does anyone know any countries out there with more favorable M/F ratios? Seems like all the western countries are massive sausage fests.

[eljeffster]

(01-08-2015 12:18 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

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Many people who immigrate have family already or will marry into the existing ethnic community pool they arrive in. Also, a large proportion of professional h1b visa types or longer term immigrants are male. It's because it's mostly men who possess the skills necessary to even immigrate to the U.S. to begin with.

So we need a hot girl visa.

[rhr]

(01-09-2015 01:03 AM)Kizman Wrote:  

Does anyone know any countries out there with more favorable M/F ratios? Seems like all the western countries are massive sausage fests.

Do not exist.

A quick google reveals: there are ~60mil more males than females, even considering that females live on average 7 years longer. This is mostly thanks to China and India.

These are the 3rd and 4th sons who have no more place in society.

A quote from the article:

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Throughout human history, young men have been responsible for the vast preponderance of crime and violence—especially single men in countries where status and social acceptance depend on being married and having children, as it does in China and India. A rising population of frustrated single men spells trouble.
The crime rate has almost doubled in China during the past 20 years of rising sex ratios

[Capitán Peligroso]

(01-09-2015 01:03 AM)Kizman Wrote:  

Does anyone know any countries out there with more favorable M/F ratios? Seems like all the western countries are massive sausage fests.

Best Ratios of men/women by country age 15-49:

El Salvador 85/100, Armenia 89/100, Morocco, Guatemala 91/100, Jamaica, Georgia 93/100, Myanmar, Lesotho, Nicaragua 96/100, Moldova, Tajikistan, Mexico 96/100, Russia 97/100 all are under 1 man for every woman. Brazil 99/100, Colombia 98/100, and Ukraine 99/100 are close to 1 to 1. Thailand is also 98/100, Phillippines is 102/100. Macao 85/100, Hong Kong 87/100

Source here.

All of these ratios became much worse if broken down into a 15-24 age group. Learn game.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(01-09-2015 01:03 AM)Kizman Wrote:  

Does anyone know any countries out there with more favorable M/F ratios? Seems like all the western countries are massive sausage fests.

Yes - it's balanced in most EE countries and you have even highly favorable ratios in FSU countries (Belarus having sometimes 20% surplus of women in the age group of 18-28) - especially in the cities, since the girls usually are leaving small villages and towns and flock to big city lights like moths to the light.

Ukraine is also favorable for all the places we would visit - more than 99 to 100, because what the statistics don't show is that more men stay behind in the villages and young women outnumber young men in practically all large cities.

[Princeton]

(01-08-2015 09:44 PM)unbowed Wrote:  

Generally I find seduction in Europe feels like a dance whereas in America it feels like a fight.

[Princeton]

(01-09-2015 12:14 AM)MrLemon Wrote:  

Imbalances of this type have happened all through history. They are always resolved by war. Think: 50-100 million dead, plus famine.

Enjoy the decline.

As we enter into this (relatively) peaceful time in human history, I'm not sure that war will be the cure. I think we'll see more symbolic death among men like the "herbivores" in Japan. Instead of dying on the battlefield, legions of men will be self-medicated, masturbating and playing video games in their mothers' basements.

[Lucario]

out of curiosity, does anyone have the male/female ratios for each state in Australia and the UK ?