[Troll King]

I'm surprised about the figures for cities. I would have assumed that cities would have more young women as they, in my experience, tend to move for college and work leaving men working in the factories in small town America.

[It_is_my_time]

These statistics really are eye opening. They hit me pretty hard in thinking about it yesterday. TBH, the only way to find happiness in the USA as a man is to be wealthy or to have serious tight game and then not have kids because game will not get out of jail for failure to pay child support.

Enough so I am tempted to quit my middle class job, focus on other ventures, knowing that my middle class job will get me no where. I will not do anything as drastic as just quitting my job, but it has pushed me further into knowing I must ditch it one day.

But what I have fully realized is fat acceptance is simply violence acceptance. Like it or not, young men will fight over women. Men don't find fat women attractive. They just don't and they NEVER will. So you have more men fighting over fewer women, because more women think being a lazy fatass is acceptable. And the end result is more violence and more death.

Fat women are truly making the USA more violent.

[Midlands Man]

The huge imbalance between males and females is a massive issue which has inflated the value of everywoman, whether she be fat, thin or average.

Simply put we have too much demand (men) chasing too little supply (women), hence we have a huge imbalance between sexual market values of each sex.

I don't see the media giving this issue much attention as the media is not really interested
in understanding why many men cannot get dates. It's far easier to say that women cannot find quality men

Out of all the male friends I know, quite a few of them are single, not by choice it's simply because they cannot find a woman. These men are good looking, have good jobs, but there are simply not enough dateable females.

In terms of my women friends I know of no single women. Even the fat / chubby women have boyfriends / husbands - why because they can as the supply is there.

Whenever a women says that "she has been single for 2 years" this actually means she's has had plenty of men and rode the cock carousel, but not found the special one yet that is 100% perfect.

Now when a man says "he's being single for 2 years", chances are he really has been on his own and found it difficult to get a date.

There's alot of criticism of men on this forum for being thirsty and chasing after chubby / average looking women. Well the reality is that there is not much choice. Game or no game the average guy has little chance of pulling high quality due to the insane amount of competition.

Assuming a man can actually find and date a reasonable attractive women, that's actually just the start of his problems. In my experience very few women are suitable for long term relationships in the Anglosphere.

Dating a foriegn women either at home or abroad, offers the best hope for many men if they want to find a reasonably attractive women that has not yet been totally ruined by the femminst cause.

These are indeed tough times for men in the Anglo sphere.

[It_is_my_time]

(01-09-2015 06:24 AM)Midlands Man Wrote:  

The huge imbalance between males and females is a massive issue which has inflated the value of everywoman, whether she be fat, thin or average.

Simply put we have too much demand (men) chasing too little supply (women), hence we have a huge imbalance between sexual market values of each sex.

I don't see the media giving this issue much attention as the media is not really interested
in understanding why many men cannot get dates. It's far easier to say that women cannot find quality men

Out of all the male friends I know, quite a few of them are single, not by choice it's simply because they cannot find a woman. These men are good looking, have good jobs, but there are simply not enough dateable females.

In terms of my women friends I know of no single women. Even the fat / chubby women have boyfriends / husbands - why because they can as the supply is there.

Whenever a women says that "she has been single for 2 years" this actually means she's has had plenty of men and rode the cock carousel, but not found the special one yet that is 100% perfect.

Now when a man says "he's being single for 2 years", chances are he really has been on his own and found it difficult to get a date.

There's alot of criticism of men on this forum for being thirsty and chasing after chubby / average looking women. Well the reality is that there is not much choice. Game or no game the average guy has little chance of pulling high quality due to the insane amount of competition.

Dating a foriegn women either at home or abroad, offers the best hope for many men if they want to find a reasonably attractive women that has not yet been totally ruined by the femminst cause.

These are indeed tough times for men in the Anglo sphere.

Agreed. In the USA I know plenty of tall good looking guys who religiously eat healthy and workout and at best they struggle to meet 5's. Now if you have money you can get quality women, but that is about the only way to get and keep a quality woman in the USA. And often that is not even enough.

Game can get you top notch women, but most likely you cannot keep them in the USA, as your woman then has friends who get tons of gifts and other freebies you can't afford. So to keep a woman, often even game itself isn't enough. Things are just that far off.

Which is why MGTOW is exploding in size and why as a man you really should learn to live without women and focus on personal growth/improvement.

[infowarrior1]

(01-09-2015 03:44 AM)Princeton Wrote:  

(01-09-2015 12:14 AM)MrLemon Wrote:  

Imbalances of this type have happened all through history. They are always resolved by war. Think: 50-100 million dead, plus famine.

Enjoy the decline.

As we enter into this (relatively) peaceful time in human history, I'm not sure that war will be the cure. I think we'll see more symbolic death among men like the "herbivores" in Japan. Instead of dying on the battlefield, legions of men will be self-medicated, masturbating and playing video games in their mothers' basements.

Except they can get to live their entire lifespan getting socially and politically active as well as making an impact through the internet.
some of them will be 8channers or 4channers.

[OkStudies]

Well another option (easier than getting rich) is become a bad boy. Get tattoos, pick up smoking and buy a harley to complete the look and
vibe. American girls love, love, love bad boys. In fact, they are the only guys they seem genuinely capable of showing love for. If you really want to gain deep insights into the modern female mind read the romance novels selling the most. Today it's usually some variation of bad boy and billionaire fantasy.

[BTman]

And why is everyone one on here so against homosexuality? Frankly the more gay guys the better for us straight guys. Based on casual observations it does seem like there are more gay guys than lesbians, which is probably Mother Nature doing it's work.

[Nolecbo]

(01-07-2015 11:32 PM)Vitriol Wrote:  

It is probably not as bad as this, the figures just do a sleight-of-hand.

1) The cited page doesn't even reference obesity by sex:
http://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html

2) Reported obesity by sex:
http://win.niddk.nih.gov/statistics/
   

Back to the original stats -
"Less: unsuitable obese women - 35%" check (should have been 36% but what are a few points between friends).

Male obesity at 15%? No, no, no. Also at 36%.

And this is where the slight-of-hand happened. Notice the label drops the word 'obese' and just says 'Less: Unsuitable men - 15%". This is where your brain automatically added the adjective from the above descriptor (or at least mine did). Even the number formatting changed for the 'unsuitable men' (dropped the commas).

If US men can be obese yet deemed 'suitable' by the study, I would be interested in a working definition of the phrase 'unsuitable men'.

[StrikeBack]

(01-09-2015 03:47 AM)Lucario Wrote:  

out of curiosity, does anyone have the male/female ratios for each state in Australia and the UK ?

You don't want to know, it will be very depressing...

Look at it this way, 1/3 Australian women are obese, and 2/3 are fat. Even if you take a 50:50 ratio to start with, you immediately have 3 men for every 1 woman who isn't fat. And that's not even taking into account age, availability and attractiveness.

See: http://www.nhpa.gov.au/internet/nhpa/pub...r_2013.pdf

[Hank]

(01-08-2015 10:49 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

http://jonathansoma.com/singles/#1/3/2/0

It's very bad...

It's even worse when you factor in that a lot of guys in their 30's+ go for girls in their 20's but not lot of guys in their 20's go for older chicks.

[El Chinito loco]

(01-08-2015 09:44 PM)unbowed Wrote:  

It does feel like the walls are closing in. The attitudes are getting more rotten. 3 years ago I was younger, stupider and less game-aware and I didn't feel it to be as bad as now. Girls just shove through, ignore people when they don't like what they hear and act like they dominate the place. I can also feel guys getting more aggressive. The thirst is manifesting in 24/7 Black Friday behavior.

For some of you younger guys let me give you an example as to how bad it has gone downhill. Back when I was in college during the late 90's-early 00's you could hit up girls and they would insta-date or even open you in class. Even my broke no game ass back then was able to get girls to give me rides to places and then back to my place for "study" sessions.

Some were as cunty then as they are now but there were a lot of girls who had workable attitudes and specific demographics (ie. asian and latina CA girls) were pretty good. I'd say back then it was as easy to cold approach a girl up as it is in most of SEA right now. Getting a number with no flake wasn't that hard.

This whole not talking to guys at all or giving a rude bitch answer right off the bat was pretty much unheard of.

It's standard behavior for many American girls now.

[It_is_my_time]

(01-09-2015 09:45 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 09:44 PM)unbowed Wrote:  

It does feel like the walls are closing in. The attitudes are getting more rotten. 3 years ago I was younger, stupider and less game-aware and I didn't feel it to be as bad as now. Girls just shove through, ignore people when they don't like what they hear and act like they dominate the place. I can also feel guys getting more aggressive. The thirst is manifesting in 24/7 Black Friday behavior.

For some of you younger guys let me give you an example as to how bad it has gone downhill. Back when I was in college during the late 90's-early 00's you could hit up girls and they would insta-date or even open you in class. Even my broke no game ass back then was able to get girls to give me rides to places and then back to my place for "study" sessions.

Some were as cunty then as they are now but there were a lot of girls who had workable attitudes and specific demographics (ie. asian and latina CA girls) were pretty good. I'd say back then it was as easy to cold approach a girl up as it is in most of SEA right now. Getting a number with no flake wasn't that hard.

This whole not talking to guys at all or giving a rude bitch answer right off the bat was pretty much unheard of.

It's standard behavior for many American girls now.

I can verify this. I went to college in the late 1990's. There was no such thing as PUA back then, or at least I never heard about it. I was CLUELESS as to what women wanted.

I joined a Fraternity, and the older guys there sort of showed me how to get girls. Basically..

Dress some what preppy, a $40 button down shirt was enough and a pair of Doc Martins (that was the style in 1997) that lasted like three years.

Drink a few drinks.

Then make eye contact and say "hi".

That was about all it took. I remember walking across campus just to say "hi" to random girls. I didn't even have to get their number. I would say "hi" maybe stop and talk for a few minutes. If I saw them out that weekend some where, she would likely seek me out. It was very easy back then, as it should be.

There were no false rape claims. There wasn't all this nonsense young guys have to deal with today. I truly feel bad for the guys who didn't get to experience this life.

[eljeffster]

I think there is an unstated assumption for ratio purposes of 1:1 but we all know that isn't true. Most girls (7+) are never truly "single." They always have an ex, FB, or orbiter around. Players are running multiple girls at one time but where those girls are still meeting other guys and so its like a giant share culture- lot's of guys get a ride. Then there are those who get left out. Many men, due to mostly to changeable circumstances (game, wealth, fitness etc.) and some women due to simple bad luck genetics.

So I don't think a straight ratio of men to women is indicative of either 1. finding pussy for the night or 2. finding a girl suitable for an LTR, because to many other factors come into play.

[rudebwoy]

This unbalance has been going on for some time. I hear people talk about there being so many single women and it makes me cringe.

North American women are in no hurry to settle down, the marketplace is simply too good for them. Meeting women in their 20s that are date-able on a consistent basis is next to impossible where I live, I imagine its the same in most places.

I wish people would get rid of this mindset that the government is going to do something, they don't give a crap about the situation. All they care about is having more men to do the work and pay taxes in the long run. The government is importing people that generally have more children, Asians in Canada and Mexicans in America.

Russia has an imbalance of 80 men to 100 women, that number varies from different sources. I always marvel when travelling in Europe, you will see loads of young girls out and about in the streets. Some places I have been it was even hard to meet women over 26 years of age.

[jimukr104]

(01-09-2015 05:13 AM)Troll King Wrote:  

I'm surprised about the figures for cities. I would have assumed that cities would have more young women as they, in my experience, tend to move for college and work leaving men working in the factories in small town America.

Not true..men are more likely to move for work while women do it mainly for education. Women also after divorce stay in the home in the suburbs while men move back to the cities.

But tbh if you look you will see it is mainly in Northeast, Texas, Florida and Southwest. This is due to the high % of immigrants. But they aren't usually competition for Americans.

Not insulting our Mexican members, or Pakistani ones but you really think the average American chick is dating these guys?

The mexicans even have girls back home. These immigrants don't change anything. Most of the Arab guys also are chasing guys due to having a girl back home.

Big cities always tend to have more men than women...this goes back to the frontier days. Solution.. live in a small town lol.

[OGNorCal707]

(01-09-2015 09:52 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

I can verify this. I went to college in the late 1990's. There was no such thing as PUA back then, or at least I never heard about it. I was CLUELESS as to what women wanted.

I joined a Fraternity, and the older guys there sort of showed me how to get girls. Basically..

Dress some what preppy, a $40 button down shirt was enough and a pair of Doc Martins (that was the style in 1997) that lasted like three years.

Drink a few drinks.

Then make eye contact and say "hi".

That was about all it took. I remember walking across campus just to say "hi" to random girls. I didn't even have to get their number. I would say "hi" maybe stop and talk for a few minutes. If I saw them out that weekend some where, she would likely seek me out. It was very easy back then, as it should be.

There were no false rape claims. There wasn't all this nonsense young guys have to deal with today. I truly feel bad for the guys who didn't get to experience this life.

Ahh the late 90's, the bit about the Doc Martins cracked me up, I remember my older brother rocking those back in the day. Oh how times have changed.

[OGNorCal707]

(01-09-2015 10:11 AM)eljeffster Wrote:  

I think there is an unstated assumption for ratio purposes of 1:1 but we all know that isn't true. Most girls (7+) are never truly "single." They always have an ex, FB, or orbiter around. Players are running multiple girls at one time but where those girls are still meeting other guys and so its like a giant share culture- lot's of guys get a ride.

+1 on this right here, I think that's an excellent point, any 7+ American female is getting constant dick from somewhere, whether that be a boyfriend, fuck buddy, "friend with benefits", ONS, or all of the above. These women just have too many options for cock nowadays and believe that they are exhausting all of these options. Even if you get a girlfriend it's just a matter of time before she meets another dude and fucks around on you, or pulls a hypergamy maneuver once she meets a guy she likes better. Unless you are some super-alpha... good luck with that.

[It_is_my_time]

(01-09-2015 12:48 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

(01-09-2015 09:52 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

I can verify this. I went to college in the late 1990's. There was no such thing as PUA back then, or at least I never heard about it. I was CLUELESS as to what women wanted.

I joined a Fraternity, and the older guys there sort of showed me how to get girls. Basically..

Dress some what preppy, a $40 button down shirt was enough and a pair of Doc Martins (that was the style in 1997) that lasted like three years.

Drink a few drinks.

Then make eye contact and say "hi".

That was about all it took. I remember walking across campus just to say "hi" to random girls. I didn't even have to get their number. I would say "hi" maybe stop and talk for a few minutes. If I saw them out that weekend some where, she would likely seek me out. It was very easy back then, as it should be.

There were no false rape claims. There wasn't all this nonsense young guys have to deal with today. I truly feel bad for the guys who didn't get to experience this life.

Ahh the late 90's, the bit about the Doc Martins cracked me up, I remember my older brother rocking those back in the day. Oh how times have changed.

LOL!

Yea, they were like $125 but you could wear them every day for two years straight and they didn't look any different.

Things were damn good back then, I took it for granted, but at least I got to experience.

[Travesty]

(01-09-2015 03:41 AM)Princeton Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 09:44 PM)unbowed Wrote:  

Generally I find seduction in Europe feels like a dance whereas in America it feels like a fight.

It's hilarious, yet sad. Before every first date in America I visualize in my head the same way I would before tip off when I played ball in high school. I get ready like it's a competition or an upcoming struggle.

Was This Beta?

[Disco_Volante]

I see a lot of tall, good looking guys with fat girls.

This isn't theoretical or some type of bias, I see old friends and acquaintances who are tall and decent looking with ugly fat girls.

It's the only way they can get a girl to be loyal to them is when she's getting a significantly better deal.
If you aren't clearly above her level an American girl isn't going to be in a relationship with you.
I feel bad for the normal, honest guys who are just doing what their mothers and society tells them and yet they get fucked over at every turn. Their grandpa's advice of 'youre young, go out and talk to girls!' doesn't work anymore.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(01-09-2015 09:52 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

...

I can verify this. I went to college in the late 1990's. There was no such thing as PUA back then, or at least I never heard about it. I was CLUELESS as to what women wanted.

I joined a Fraternity, and the older guys there sort of showed me how to get girls. Basically..

Dress some what preppy, a $40 button down shirt was enough and a pair of Doc Martins (that was the style in 1997) that lasted like three years.

Drink a few drinks.

Then make eye contact and say "hi".

That was about all it took. I remember walking across campus just to say "hi" to random girls. I didn't even have to get their number. I would say "hi" maybe stop and talk for a few minutes. If I saw them out that weekend some where, she would likely seek me out. It was very easy back then, as it should be.

There were no false rape claims. There wasn't all this nonsense young guys have to deal with today. I truly feel bad for the guys who didn't get to experience this life.

What you are describing here is what still works in EE if you are a student who runs that kind of Game on campus. Young guys who are not fat or stupendously ugly just need to approach, say hi and ask her out. Tinder and online dating has been making inroads here, but since the demographic factors are fine that kind of 90s Game is sufficient here - for the young buck of course. If you are 40 and try to bang 7-8s it's different, but still easier than anywhere else in the West.

Quote:

I see a lot of tall, good looking guys with fat girls.

This isn't theoretical or some type of bias, I see old friends and acquaintances who are tall and decent looking with ugly fat girls.

Yeah - that is a strong sign that demographics are shit. Roosh described a positive factor about a country as something like the BUSTED-DUDE-RATIO - if you see some busted dudes with hotties, then that place is fine. You see plenty of busted dudes here in EE with hot young girls - sometimes even overweight & ugly but dominant men walking with their hot young girlfriends. Then you know that the place is favorable to men.

[SlickyBoy]

(01-08-2015 10:49 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

http://jonathansoma.com/singles/#1/3/2/0

It's very bad...

Wow - even adjusting that graph to the 25-34 year age range doesn't help the picture - still mostly guys. The ratio of males to females doesn't start to balance out until you move it to the 35-44 range. But who the hell wants to risk having kids with Down syndrome?

I'd like to see one with sexual orientation thrown into the mix, but that's a tough one since the data is almost always estimated, not undisputed through birth records, etc.

[SlickyBoy]

(01-09-2015 09:52 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

Some were as cunty then as they are now but there were a lot of girls who had workable attitudes...

This whole not talking to guys at all or giving a rude bitch answer right off the bat was pretty much unheard of.

It's standard behavior for many American girls now.

Totally true. In the 1990s I never recalled the shit-testing, smart alecky attitudes back then like what is standard procedure for American women now. They think talking and acting with "bro-like" behavior makes them attractive and it definitely doesn't. I started to notice it more with 'sports chicks' but by now it's permeated most of the population. They have zero idea how to act like ladies, no modicum of common courtesy and are actually proud of this development. Same type of women in the UK from what I observed, only with shittier teeth.

[JustlookingForAGoodTime]

(01-09-2015 04:04 PM)SlickyBoy Wrote:  

(01-09-2015 09:52 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

Some were as cunty then as they are now but there were a lot of girls who had workable attitudes...

This whole not talking to guys at all or giving a rude bitch answer right off the bat was pretty much unheard of.

It's standard behavior for many American girls now.

now it's permeated most of the population. They have zero idea how to act like ladies, no modicum of common courtesy and are actually proud of this development.

OMG This! ^

Spent the most of last year working amongst a pack of them and the way the acted was comparable to the drunken frat boys they have the nerve to complain about. Was absolutely sickening.

[Lucario]

(01-09-2015 07:10 AM)BTman Wrote:  

And why is everyone one on here so against homosexuality? Frankly the more gay guys the better for us straight guys. Based on casual observations it does seem like there are more gay guys than lesbians, which is probably Mother Nature doing it's work.

highly doubt it. There are far more lesbians due to society celebrating and making it trendy for straight girls to go lesbian/bi , and men have the FFM threesome fantasy. On the flip side women and society view bi/gay men as less masculine and straight en hate and shame gay men.

The lesbian trend is also a very real trend reducing the pool of datable cute women since if a girl dates another women..that is 2 women out of the dating pool...that is two more guys who missed out on sex.

These threads show how real the problem of girls going bi/gay is and how easily butch women can take a straight girl off the dating market:

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-35139.html
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-40940.html
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-41865.html
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-33624....ht=lesbian
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-19461....ht=lesbian
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-1883.h...ht=lesbian