[Deluge]

(12-15-2014 02:29 AM)britchard Wrote:  

A report I dread said they're not sure he's actually ISIS. The flag he held was just a shahada (religious message) that has been linked with al-Qaeda affiliates.

Yeah the flag he held wasn't an ISIS flag. Now he's demanding one. I can imagine it might've been difficult to procure the ISIS flag before the attack without setting off some alarm bells.

[Horus]

One of the escaped/freed hostages.

WB.

[Phoenix]

What are the odds they'll not use this as a reason for the government to become even more invasive and controlling?
Probably about 5%.

[speakeasy]

Damn, I hope these people don't get beheaded...I'm about to head off to sleep in my part of the world. I have the feeling when I wake up it's not going to be good.

[Horus]

(12-15-2014 03:34 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Damn, I hope these people don't get beheaded...I'm about to head off to sleep in my part of the world. I have the feeling when I wake up it's not going to be good.

Assuming that this guy's actions are motivated by ISIS, this is what the ISIS spokesman said:

Quote:

"Kill the disbeliever whether he is civilian or military, for they have the same ruling. Both of them are disbelievers. Both of them are considered to be waging war. Both of their blood and wealth is legal for you to destroy."

Wouldn't he have done it by now if this is the case? The fact that he's taking his time would suggest that he has other motives.

[sixsix]

How is linking this attack to multiculturalism controversial on this forum?

Almost everything we discuss is about culture, society and behavior. It's not about race.
You can chose and change your culture and religion, and are accountable for what you do.

This attack, like the many others, speaks against multiculturalism because it shows what happens when you allow the mass immigration of people that act according to very different beliefs and values, without assimilating. A country can be peaceful and multi-ethnic, but have multiple cultures in close proximity is bound to cause conflict.

Culture is about how to behave and how to communicate with each other. People from different countries with very dissimilar cultures will therefore experience interface problems. Borders help, and tourists know they have to adapt. Multiculturalism on the other hand is throwing oil and water together and being surprised they don't mix.

[Deluge]

He doesn't appear to have a sword.

He's let 5 hostages go and he's fed the rest, so things look promising.

[lskdfjldsf]

All they need (or want, rather) is one hostage to be beheaded and draped in an ISIS flag. They're going to let lots of them go but retain at least one for that purpose.

I hope the tipping point comes soon and we can begin weeding these people out of society like we should have done long ago. Getting tired of this shit.

[AnonymousBosch]

(12-15-2014 03:42 AM)Horus Wrote:  

Wouldn't he have done it by now if this is the case? The fact that he's taking his time would suggest that he has other motives.

It's possible he's just a distraction from the another terrorist operation going on elsewhere.

Guess we'll find out in time.

[Deluge]

(12-15-2014 03:52 AM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

(12-15-2014 03:42 AM)Horus Wrote:  

Wouldn't he have done it by now if this is the case? The fact that he's taking his time would suggest that he has other motives.

It's possible he's just a distraction from the another terrorist operation going on elsewhere.

Guess we'll find out in time.

They've deployed extra police at important locations all around the country, searching bags etc. If he was trying to create a distraction for another attack he's done a pretty shitty job of it.

[lskdfjldsf]

[Suits]

(12-15-2014 02:12 AM)The Reactionary Tree Wrote:  

To the guys trying to egg on the OP, cut it out. You know he's right. You are just being political correctness trolls trying to get him banned. I understand race and culture topics are controversial.

However, the OP is right. When we in western civilization open our borders to the entire world without discriminating against who we let in, then we shouldn't be surprised when we let in people who are hostile to our way of life. This is what multicultural immigration policies have done. They have turned our homelands into battle fields. 9/11? The London bombings? The London beheading? Rotherham? The Ottawa shootings? Fort hood? Literally dozens of incidents throughout all of Europe? Now this. We invited all those people to live in our societies with our multicultural immigration policies.

What isn't appreciated is his "drive-by trolling."

I thought his post was funny, but the way he refused to stick to his guns afterwards was just juvenile. He could have immediately offered to take it to PM or link to another thread where the issue is already being discussed ad nauseam, but instead he just said

Quote:

Not interested in discussing this, only the current situation.

If you aren't interested in discussing it, then don't stir the pot.

It's like slapping someone in the face and then telling them that they can't hit you back, because you aren't interested in violence.

Once again, I thought his original statement was funny, but his follow up was not appreciated by myself and clearly others as well.

[Prophylaxis]

It's already mission accomplished for the gunman.

Australian media reassuring us that we have our best negotiators in contact with him. But how on earth do you 'negotiate' with someone who has nothing to lose?

Don't think this is going to end well, but I hope I'm wrong.

[AnonymousBosch]

(12-15-2014 03:58 AM)Deluge Wrote:  

They've deployed extra police at important locations all around the country, searching bags etc. If he was trying to create a distraction for another attack he's done a pretty shitty job of it.

It's not easy to predict what is an important target, if the point is shock and awe.

They don't need to blow up the Opera House or Parliament House if the point is demoralisation. What's to stop them planting bombs in a bunch of schools?

Note: the SJW's already have a anti-islamophobia slacktivism hashtag going about riding on the bus with them.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

Given that it has been such a long time (13 hours now?) since the crisis started, the gunman is alone and some of the hostages have even escaped by themselves, this hopefully means that everything is nearly over and no one will be harmed.

[Tengen]

(12-15-2014 03:13 AM)Horus Wrote:  

One of the escaped/freed hostages.

WB.

Better image



The cynical part of me is just thinking how much she'll milk this for attention, book deals, etc... TRP has made me cold-hearted

[Deluge]

I texted that bomb threat pic to my family that live near a few of Sydney's major landmarks. Shortly after my phone's mobile data and Wi-Fi both got knocked offline, had to restart it. Coincidence?

[Prophylaxis]

(12-15-2014 05:19 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

Given that it has been such a long time (13 hours now?) since the crisis started, the gunman is alone and some of the hostages have even escaped by themselves, this hopefully means that everything is nearly over and no one will be harmed.

It's unconfirmed whether these were released or escaped. If it was the later, I would be even more worried about the remaining hostages.

[malakaix]

Some sources are suggesting they escaped: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...ydney.html

Daily Mail Wrote:

It is understood the hostages escaped from the cafe, rather than being released by their captor. One former male hostage has been taken to nearby St Vincent's Hospital, in Sydney's inner suburbs, and is being treated for a pre-existing condition.
The gunman flew into a rage when he realised some of his captives had escaped.

'The gunman could be seen from here getting extremely agitated, shouting at remaining hostages,' tweeted journalist Chris Reason, who has a direct line of sight into the cafe from the Seven Network newsroom directly opposite and inside the police cordon.
The light inside the building has gone off tonight, Mr Reason said, but police would not reveal whether it was a law enforcement or hostage-taker tactic.

[Bazzwaldo]

Poor buggers

[bojangles]

Poor people, imagine seeing your relative post that on facebook.

On another note, it seems more and more likely that he's part of one of the Syrian rebel groups(flag + actions) that the US has been so fond of supplying with weapons.

[lskdfjldsf]

Did anyone notice this? Unless she was forced to post it, that's some hardcore attention whoring.

[Deluge]

(12-15-2014 08:09 AM)Blick Mang Wrote:  



Did anyone notice this? Unless she was forced to post it, that's some hardcore attention whoring.

She was forced to post it. The gunman was refusing to communicate with the police directly, only through the hostages. He only started talking to the Police after those hostages escaped. He posted on their Facebook account's so his demands could get out to the public. Number 3 is still underwraps, the media refuses to report on the bomb threat "under Police advice".

[Dr. Howard]

(12-15-2014 06:07 AM)malakaix Wrote:  

Some sources are suggesting they escaped: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...ydney.html

Daily Mail Wrote:

It is understood the hostages escaped from the cafe, rather than being released by their captor. One former male hostage has been taken to nearby St Vincent's Hospital, in Sydney's inner suburbs, and is being treated for a pre-existing condition.
The gunman flew into a rage when he realised some of his captives had escaped.

'The gunman could be seen from here getting extremely agitated, shouting at remaining hostages,' tweeted journalist Chris Reason, who has a direct line of sight into the cafe from the Seven Network newsroom directly opposite and inside the police cordon.
The light inside the building has gone off tonight, Mr Reason said, but police would not reveal whether it was a law enforcement or hostage-taker tactic.

Wait wait wait...there is a direct line of sight into the cafe where they can see the lone hostage taker? Why has a sniper not just dropped this guy? Maybe I've seen too many movies....

[slubu]

I thought of that too. But if he has a bomb then maybe sniping him may trigger it to explode somehow? I also have watched a lot of 24 and Homeland.