[travolta]

(11-27-2014 12:50 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  

Maybe I build and sell a little startup and get 3-5 million in our pockets. I could do this, I know exactly how.

Not to sound like dick, but I think you're full of shit. You have no idea how to make 3-5 million from anything except winning the lottery...

I'm amazed at how many people liked the original post, give that the advice is to stay poor so you can keep 1 girl around. If you had 3-5 million you'd have access to way hotter pussy. As somebody said before me, you are actually letting your wife control you by limiting your potential to do something great and to possibly change the world (if you know how to create tech startups valued at 3-5 Million, as you claimed).

[travolta]

(11-27-2014 11:13 PM)kbell Wrote:  

Why make millions if you don't need too?

Because making a lot of money is core masculine shit, and you can better provide for your family by paying for high quality food, sending your kids to the best schools, etc.

[MrLemon]

(11-29-2014 01:58 AM)travolta Wrote:  

(11-27-2014 12:50 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  

Maybe I build and sell a little startup and get 3-5 million in our pockets. I could do this, I know exactly how.

Not to sound like dick, but I think you're full of shit. You have no idea how to make 3-5 million from anything except winning the lottery...

I'm amazed at how many people liked the original post, give that the advice is to stay poor so you can keep 1 girl around. If you had 3-5 million you'd have access to way hotter pussy. As somebody said before me, you are actually letting your wife control you by limiting your potential to do something great and to possibly change the world (if you know how to create tech startups valued at 3-5 Million, as you claimed).

No problem at all. You are entitled to your opinion.

The fact is, and yes I know you may find this hard to understand, I simply don't want "way hotter pussy". 15 years ago yes, but I'm just lost that interest as many guys at my age do. I married this woman because I wanted to start a family and have kids. I'm well over 50 now and have zero interest in chasing new pussy. That's not because I'm pussywhipped or wimpy or beta or any of that. It's because I'm the head of a family, my family, my kids, and I chose this role knowing that I wanted to do.

This is MY woman. She's not just "a girl". She bore my children, suckled them at her breast, carried them and fed them and protected them.

You guys talk about challenging yourself. You talk about "frame". Well, as any strong father can tell you, my family IS my challenge. Building and maintaining a "frame" for my family is my challenge. It's as big a challenge as exists and the rewards are greater than any challenge I gave myself as a single guy. I climbed mountains, dated many hot girls, lived a great bachelor life. Then I chose to raise a family. Maybe some of you guys some day will find that girl who you believe is worthy of your commitment (knowing, there are very few of them in today's world). That will be your choice.

I realize there's a lot of younger guys on this forum who have no interest in this path. But there are also a few older guys like me who have merged red-pill thinking into a traditional family structure.

[Samseau]

I think a lot of guys are confused - family is a form of wealth. We don't exist as individuals, we exist as families. Growing your family not only means you continue the name and bloodline, but also you have a retirement plan in the form of your kids.

[jimukr104]

(11-29-2014 01:58 AM)travolta Wrote:  

(11-27-2014 12:50 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  

Maybe I build and sell a little startup and get 3-5 million in our pockets. I could do this, I know exactly how.

Not to sound like dick, but I think you're full of shit. You have no idea how to make 3-5 million from anything except winning the lottery...

I'm amazed at how many people liked the original post, give that the advice is to stay poor so you can keep 1 girl around. If you had 3-5 million you'd have access to way hotter pussy. As somebody said before me, you are actually letting your wife control you by limiting your potential to do something great and to possibly change the world (if you know how to create tech startups valued at 3-5 Million, as you claimed).

Having 3 million isn't the lifestyle of the rich and famous.Even if he went to EE he not compete.

In Brooklyn..you can gt a decent home for under 700k. He really isn't giving up much.

[draketton]

The strategy of being rich but hiding the extent of it from your family needs elaboration.

What are scenarios where they'd find out the truth, and what are pre-emptive steps that you could take to prevent these scenarios from happening?

[germanico]

(11-29-2014 01:57 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

also you have a retirement plan in the form of your kids.

I think its lame, mediocre at best to think of kids as "retirement plan"

Daddy, why was I born?

To pay for my retirement home you ungrateful ass.

[jimukr104]

^^Agreed and kids today will NOT help out parent..much less they will take care of them.

[Geomann180]

(11-29-2014 08:20 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

^^Agreed and kids today will NOT help out parent..much less they will take care of them.

I think you misunderstand.

I don't think either Samseau or Mr.Lemon think "This kid will pay off my student loans once he gets a job". It is not as mercenary as that.

I think it's a little more nuanced. That is to say, Mr. Lemon and Samseau would invest much time, energy, and money into their families; wife, children, all of it. They would be the best fathers they could be, best husbands they could be, and the best patriach they could be. Directing their family away from the clutches of moral corruption and from the clutches of penury. Passing away life lessons so that the children do not needlessly relearn old lessons through admission to the school of hard knocks. Yet, not being a helicopter parent that the child learns about action and consequence at an early age, while the price of learning is so low! And finally loving the children as a father, which so many don't get in today's day and age.

Out of respect and love, the progeny of these men would seek to keep in touch with and check on their parents. To be a part of their lives until the end, for better or worse. Were I an old man, I'd take my grown up children's time and love over money for a retirement home or paying off a debt of some kind any day of the week.

Is that about right, Samseau or Mr.Lemon?

G

[berserk]

(11-29-2014 08:20 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

^^Agreed and kids today will NOT help out parent..much less they will take care of them.

Sure they will, if you treat them right.

A lot of old people now are lonely as hell and the boomers are going to be the loneliest old people in the history of mankind.

Why, because they behaved like children, did not provide enough attention, support, teachings, morality, a home, a car, a dowry.

The very basics you give your children:

A safe stable home with two parents.
Unconditional love and attention (mothers role)
Someone to always be there with realistic advice and inspiration (father)
Help to make it into adult life - car, home, education (can take different forms)
Help raise and babysit grandchildren

Many boomer parents have done none of those, preferring to spend their savings on wine trips to Tuscany than give to their kids and grandkids.

And as a last goodbye, the boomers are going to milk the welfare system for all its worth as they go into retirement homes, leaving a broken, bankrupt (on all levels), world to inherit. The first generation in about 150 years where the next generation in the West can not expect a better quality of life than their parents.

[jimukr104]

(11-30-2014 07:22 PM)berserk Wrote:  

(11-29-2014 08:20 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

^^Agreed and kids today will NOT help out parent..much less they will take care of them.

Sure they will, if you treat them right.

A lot of old people now are lonely as hell and the boomers are going to be the loneliest old people in the history of mankind.

Why, because they behaved like children, did not provide enough attention, support, teachings, morality, a home, a car, a dowry.

The very basics you give your children:

A safe stable home with two parents.
Unconditional love and attention (mothers role)
Someone to always be there with realistic advice and inspiration (father)
Help to make it into adult life - car, home, education (can take different forms)
Help raise and babysit grandchildren

Many boomer parents have done none of those, preferring to spend their savings on wine trips to Tuscany than give to their kids and grandkids.

And as a last goodbye, the boomers are going to milk the welfare system for all its worth as they go into retirement homes, leaving a broken, bankrupt (on all levels), world to inherit. The first generation in about 150 years where the next generation in the West can not expect a better quality of life than their parents.

Norway maybe

[rpg]

I gave my wife my business to run and I went and got another job to make more money, health insurance and pension. She STILL bitches about having to work. Women are fucking lazy and need a kick in the ass to go out and make something of themselves. Facebook updates is not a damn career ladies.

[solo]

This is one one the best posts I've read actually - together with the likes of Almost All Men Should Eventually Marry And Have Kids by the Lizard of Oz.

Wealth corrupts.

Humans are not suited to live in wealth. At least not women. Throughout most of our evolution we lived in poverty. Poverty should not be glorified. But personally I would be more than happy to live a simple life where I mostly spend my money on family, health and traveling.

Not expensive cars, houses, clothes, electronic devices etc.

Then again maybe this is partly a rationalization because I don't make a lot of money as it is.

[rudebwoy]

(11-30-2014 07:22 PM)berserk Wrote:  

(11-29-2014 08:20 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

^^Agreed and kids today will NOT help out parent..much less they will take care of them.

Sure they will, if you treat them right.

A lot of old people now are lonely as hell and the boomers are going to be the loneliest old people in the history of mankind.

Why, because they behaved like children, did not provide enough attention, support, teachings, morality, a home, a car, a dowry.

The very basics you give your children:

A safe stable home with two parents.
Unconditional love and attention (mothers role)
Someone to always be there with realistic advice and inspiration (father)
Help to make it into adult life - car, home, education (can take different forms)
Help raise and babysit grandchildren

Many boomer parents have done none of those, preferring to spend their savings on wine trips to Tuscany than give to their kids and grandkids.

And as a last goodbye, the boomers are going to milk the welfare system for all its worth as they go into retirement homes, leaving a broken, bankrupt (on all levels), world to inherit. The first generation in about 150 years where the next generation in the West can not expect a better quality of life than their parents.

I like your post but the highlighted part is BS.
I know many Boomers who have passed on a lot of money to their kids to buy property. I think your attitude sounds like you expect things from your parents.
I know my folks have worked their asses of since they were 20, so if they want to enjoy a wine trip to Tuscany - that is their reward.

[Slam]

Just bumping this thread as it has a good bit of wisdom from some older cats here, and a really unique post by the OP... And it's relevant to me as I consider LTR / marriage-material girls.

I do think there's something about seeing a certain dollar figure that makes a woman's brain synapses go nuts...

Chris Rock somewhere has a bit where he says in sex, men can't back up once they reach a certain point, and women are the same except they can't back up when it comes to LIFESTYLE. Once they reach a certain level of lifestyle, they literally cannot go backwards psychologically.

To women, money means LIFESTYLE. And if she sees a certain dollar figure, her instinct for LIFESTYLE LEVEL will start spinning and she will NOT forget it. She'll latch onto it, and the instinct will fester and grow in her brain. She will quickly start believing she should be able to buy certain things given the dollar figure she saw.

And worse, if you don't let her buy the lifestyle she thinks she can get, she may start to resent you.

That's why the OP's strategy seems to me like a good one in the context of a marriage and kids. Have money to support a good life, but not a lavish one...

And if you end up with more, be wary about giving the devil an opportunity.

[N°6]

I found this on twitter. Any comments?

[rotekz]

I see no reason to doubt it as a a very rough average but who did it sample? Surely the female plot line varies a fair amount depending on how hot they think they are?

The male line could be bunk. Do guys really care about female income?

[eradicator]

(07-14-2016 01:03 AM)N°6 Wrote:  

I found this on twitter. Any comments?

No this is nonsense. If you are a janitor making minimum wage but fuck like a champion and have the rest of your life together, fitness, logistics, and all that, you can still date hot women and have sex with them and they will want more.of your cock. If you have a good job but zero social skills but make a lot of money, you will have trouble getting women into bed and banging them much less repeat bangs.

Sure, some women are legitimately husband hunting and looking at how much a guy is making but those women seem to be few and far between. Most women, at least in the city that I seem to encounter are riding the carousel.

[HectorLavoe]

[Brown Pride]

Im not married so Im not sure if im right here but I want my future wife to look good. So if she is going to spend money on clothes then so be it. I want my woman to dress sexy as hell wherever she goes be it with me or not.

[General Stalin]

Retarded. Limiting your own potential to try and keep your girl in check? Talk about "ball-and-chain." Sounds more like male hamsterization for why you can't make as much money as you'd like to.

She doesn't need to know how much money you have - just that you have "enough." She will live the lifestyle that you allow her to live.