[Tuthmosis]

(04-22-2011 04:26 PM)ManAbout Wrote:  

(04-22-2011 10:29 AM)Gringo Wrote:  

Your PM didn't warrant a reply. If you're OK with fucking children (which is what I see girls at the age of 14/15 as) then fine but I think it's very strange. Let's not derail the thread though and leave it at that.

Way over the line. Making such accusations on the board should be a bannable offence.

Agreed: this crosses the line big-time. No one came close to advocating--or even implying--that they intended or wanted to do anything illegal. Plus, he's exaggerating the numbers to make his already inaccurate accusation sound even worse. Totally low, dangerous behavior.

Instead, guys were talking about legally adjusting the laws (in only certain states--with higher-than-average ages of consent--mind you) to correspond with modern realities. More than anything, we were being critical of the silliness behind some of these out-dated laws.

I know I said I was done with this topic, but it's difficult to let go when someone hurls out language of this magnitude publicly, and then refuses to clear things up privately.

[hydrogonian]

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@Hydrogonian- First I wanted to thank you for all the insults yesterday. Id like to address a few of them for you. Lets start with the "lower socio-economic backround (lower middle class)" thats in play here as you said.I was born and raised in Fairfield Connecticut. Im sure you are from alot better socio-economic climate. You asked me "how long has your family been here?"Well,Only about 300 years in New England but before that Quebec.Pre 1610 (Acaidian).Also Im not spanish. I was chatting online with girls in SA the day I found Roosh and was learning spanish that day. Thats how el mechanico came about.

I doubt that you are from here because you cant even follow my syntax. I didn't insult you, unless you take my suspicion of your citizenship as an insult. I don't know why you would. If you are from somewhere else, then you should be proud.

I never said that you were of lower socio-economic background. I said that I was from a lower-middle class background. I never made a presupposition as to your socio-economic status, only your race / citizenship based on your username and responses. And in that context, I only conceded that we may have some cultural differences that keep us from understanding one another.

It seems that you have a problem comprehending the English language.

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Lets talk about friendship.I felt bad for one of my friends a few weeks back because his boat motor had low compression. Hes struggling with a new buisness.I had my guys pull it out and I rebuilt it for him,free.Do you do that kinda shit for your friends?The same guy would f**k my girlfriend in one second if she showed up at his place buzzed and horny.We are all in agreement on this issue.

You really want to measure dicks as to who does more for their friends? That's very meaningful. But lets do it. First, I do a lot for my friends at the cost of my own time, convenience, and money. However, my largest value to them is that they can trust me with 1) secrets 2) their wives and 3) their financial interests whenever there is an issue of trust and money. If any one of these pillars were to fall, they all would.

Second, you can rebuild all the motors that you want. If I thought that you would fuck my wife if given the opportunity, I would keep you at arms length and think of you as a scumbag no matter what you might do for me. How do I know that your good will wouldn't be doing that "nice thing" to work and angle with me like getting money or my girl? A self interested scumbag is a self interested scumbag.

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Bottom line: KEEP YOUR BITCH IN CHECK! After reading your posts here it is very obvious to me that you have had alot of problems doing that!

Right. Nice shot. That hurts a lot. Maybe stick around here and offer just a little bit of credible insight on women and you can insult me. Your proclamation of your willingness to be a opportunistic under-sexed bitch and fuck the gf's and wives of your friends doesn't quite cut it.

I didn't say anything that indicated that i had issue "keeping my bitch in check" (you talk like a 15 year old, btw). this entire conversation has been about principles and pillars of friendship. You have to do better than twisting the conversation to make a point with me.

[hydrogonian]

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Also, Hydro, I am not sure why you listed that talk about how deep your U.S roots go. You seem very touchy. Are you a former U.S marine or perhaps a retired UFC/MMA fighter?
Let me know so I know how to tread.

What fisto said.

But I'm flattered that my words hit you so hard that you immediately see me as some sort of physically threatening guy, even though that's not my intention. I guess my words are effective.

If you cant argue without accusing me of being 'touchy, then don't argue. If you engage me in an argument, then lets argue about it. But you can't put some type of monitor on my responses that only agrees with your vision of how I should respond. I'm not cursing, I'm mostly not using exclamation points. I'm using calm logic. So, whats the issue?

If you can't argue without trying to gauge the other guy's 'touchiness' as part of your defense, then you really don't want an argument. You want an agreement with your perspective. I don't agree, and have already attempted to end this 'conversation'. Apparently, you can't let it die as you keep responding. With what pretty much amounts to "I disagree" mixed in with all sort of personal colouring of my character (I'm emotional, Im touchy, Im too attached to women, Im a former MMA fighter, balh, blah, blah..) What? lol..You too much Moma. Although i did previously call you a douche for trying to colour my personality before. I stand by that, as ad hominem attacks are weak and they waste the time of everyone.

That's fine though, because I wont accuse you of being touchy my friend. Come at me all that you want. I'll just argue my points, even though I don't think that I have much left to say on the subject. Its all pretty much out there, and logical to everyone but you and some random new guy who fucks his friends wives.

I just somehow keep feeling compelled to respond when you make your arguments personal instead of arguing the logic of your perspective.

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Hydro, if your wife/girlfriend showed up at my doorstep horny, I wouldn't fcuk her.
Why? Because it's not worth the drama, simple.

That's not quite the same as being principled enough not to fuck your friends wife. But whatever keeps you from doing so, I guess.

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I didn't make a move because I generally operate from a standpoint of honour.
As I go through life however, I am realising that this honour standpoint that I abide by is not always necessarily the best thing. I am learning as I move along to be smart and to watch how people behave.

Either you have principles with your close friends or you do not. My principles do not extend to men that are not my friends. The bolded part means that you are learning to leverage situations, apparently even with you friends, for maximum gain and minimum penalty. ie: you are becoming an opportunistic mercenary.

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So as much as I see why you passionately disprove of friends fcuking each other's wives, one must sit back and observe what drives a man and a woman.

This is a little cryptic.

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There are women out there that are capable of fidelity and with proper moral values. Leveraging your friends sexual capacity as a litmus test is used widely by both men and women.

If that's your litmus test, its the worst one that I ever heard of. There are a lot of more efficient and less potentially messy ways to go about testing your woman. A lot more. There are so many pitfalls and drawbacks with this "method", even when she passes, so as to make claiming that its a good litmus test ridiculous.

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Hydro:
You said you flirt with your friend's wives? Flirting is the premise of cheating, it is the act of piquing the target's sexual interest. So how much does your friend's wife's sexual interest have to be escalated before he says "Hey Hydro, back off dude?"

In some cultures, a woman will grind on another guy's groin area in an act of flirting. The drive behind it is piquing sexual interest.
Smart women know exactly what it is and won't even go there.

Other women who are in denial or who like to constantly see what the 'market' is like, will flirt and will play down these actions by saying
"Oh baby, relax, I'm just playing"

What Fisto said.

Attempting to extrapolate out my words to mean all sorts of sexual behavior, in an attempt to trap me in flawed logic, isn't worth responding to in great detail.

Light flirtatious / charming behavior. No more and no less. Nothing directly sexual about me and her, the only thing coming close to sexual conversation being when are on the subject of sex. That subject comes up frequently with one of my friends wives, much of the time with her husband also in on the conversation. But its always talking about sex as subject matter, and not me making sexual advances on her.

[Gmac]

You guys are like petty women... now I just want to punch someone.

[Gringo]

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and then refuses to clear things up privately.

There's nothing to clear up. *yawn*

[Moma]

@hydro:

Don't gass yourself bro, if you feel you have touched me emotionally, you have failed. I just wanted to make sure both sides of the coin are touched.

It's good to be objective in these discussions as I like to learn from a viewpoint that I don't share.

I won't debate on this issue further because I sense some strong emotions being released and I truly don't want to offend people purposely.

I do like you, hydro, you have some nice wordplay. So, I hope you don't shy away from speaking your mind whenever necessary.
You called me a douche, yes I noticed, but I didn't respond because I didn't want to upset you.
Let us go forth..with love and happiness,

[hydrogonian]

(04-22-2011 07:28 PM)Moma Wrote:  

@hydro:

Don't gass yourself bro, if you feel you have touched me emotionally, you have failed. I just wanted to make sure both sides of the coin are touched.

It's good to be objective in these discussions as I like to learn from a viewpoint that I don't share.

I won't debate on this issue further because I sense some strong emotions being released and I truly don't want to offend people purposely.

I do like you, hydro, you have some nice wordplay. So, I hope you don't shy away from speaking your mind whenever necessary.
You called me a douche, yes I noticed, but I didn't respond because I didn't want to upset you.
Let us go forth..with love and happiness,

ayeayeaye... Again, the comebacks that amount to trying to summarize my state. Emotion this and emotion that... emotion that doesn't exist toward you. But, yeah, that's a common argument tactic. Pretend that the other guy is emotional and your cool. No problem, Moma. I'll let you play out your frame. Or is this too emotional of a response? Im I giving you more ammo to frame it as such? Wow, I'm so confused now.

The only emotion that you might correctly feel is slight frustration at the insistence of attacks on my emotional state / character. Its a bit juvenile.

I generally wouldn't shy away, Moma. You should know that by now.

But your also giving yourself too much credit your power to upset me. If your going to take every argument that I have with you as upsetting me, and your responses are going to amount to pointing out such, then yes, I will avoid you. Whats the point? If you ever want to come back to reality and have debates based on the merits of your perspectives, then I'll be happy to engage you with no remaining animosity. Otherwise, I'll regard you as a curiosity.

[Giovonny]

I think these kinds of heated exchanges are good for the Forum.

First of all, they are very entertaining. Second, they give guys a chance to really express how they feel. There is nothing wrong with challenging someone if you think they are full of shit. When you are free to speak your mind I think it helps all of us. If we hold back our true feelings I think it hurts the Forum. I don't want everyone to agree with me. I want guys to challenge me and force me to think a little deeper.

We are all not gonna agree on everything. So what if we have arguments and disputes. It you are free to express how you really feel, arguments are gonna happen. I don't see it as a bad thing.

I see it kind of like a "Fight Club". You can challenge anyone at anytime. But, if you challenge someone, you better come strong. If your argument is weak, you could get embarrassed and put in your place.

Reputations are on the line.

Sometimes guys do say some stupid shit. I would like to see people call them on it and challenge them man to man. Just don't fight like little girls and call each other names.

Battle like a man and let the chips fall where they will.