[Brian Shima]

Is the US or England easier for the average guy outside of London and major cities

[TripleG]

(11-20-2014 12:42 AM)Vitriol Wrote:  

Just a list to highlight a few points about American women that have already been covered on the forum:

1. Most American women in the big cities think every guy who isn't a pro-athlete or celebrity is a loser.

2. A lot of American women in small towns are going to be "people of Wal-Mart" landwhale/single mothers.

3. Because American women are so into shit like Netflix and their phones, nights out are likely to be sausage fests where the few girls out get huge egos because every guy aged 18-60 is trying to fuck them.

4. The northeast corridor / metropolis from D.C. to Boston (I guess you can include Toronto, but I've never been there) is where some of the best game writers came from because girls in that part of the country are total fucking bitches with huge attitudes.

5. Most American women have a problem with some combination of Adderall, happy pills, birth control, and the medical grade marijuana they're getting from their high school weed dealer who they're still fucking even though he's a loser... so they're not exactly mentally stable.

Perhaps I'm gonna be a bit repetitive with my "rant" but Vitriol is pretty accurate with his description of American/Canadian women. It is a tough dating world for an average guy who might not be "game-aware". I look at some of my friends and cringe because they have settled for western women several points lower than them and unfortunately still allow them to wear pants in their relationships. What is shocking is that these American friends (who consider a Cruise as an overseas trip) think that the behavior of their western wives and girlfriends is normal.

IMHO if Western society continues on its downward spiral, marginalizing men, from female friendly divorce laws to "equal opportunity" workplaces, to pro-gender laws (Title IX law has messed up amateur athletics completely), "rape laws", to women in the military(front lines), to the continuing rise of feminism the west will be a miserable place with major restrictions on men's freedoms and a so much worse place to game. As the power of western women grows in USA so does the competition as most large US cities have a gender imbalance with way more men in the <35 age groups (forget about the Census bureau stats, there are slightly more women in USA only due to the over 60 demographic, but for gaming that does not matter).

The guys I see persevering are either game-aware (bordering on full fledged PUA's) or some combination of Vitriol's first point (I will add good-looking and rich in that as well). Which brings me to Patrick Bateman character from American Psycho. While only a movie (based on best-seller book) I believe all of us can learn a bit from Patrick Bateman's character on how to be an alpha-male. While he bangs his fare share of hookers and average sluts, he nevertheless exudes many alpha-male qualities.

I would just like to comment (in red) on the first 2 minutes of the movie which speak volumes about today's environment:

"I live in the American Gardens building on west 81st street, on the 11th floor, my name is Patrick Bateman (description could be used for any Yuppie/WASP Alpha Male in DC, Toronto, Boston or most large East Coast US cities-NYC excluded). I'm 27 years old (if you're over 40 it's gonna be a near impossible mission in the future US for an average guy to land a stable HB)

I believe in taking care of myself and a balanced diet and a rigorous exercise routine, in the morning if my face is a little puffy, i'll put on an ice pack while doing my stomach crunches. I can do a 1,000 now (even if you're in OK shape girls don't notice it here, you have to be at one or another extreme, either a bodybuilder or shredded, for example daygaming on the beach).

After I remove the icepack I use a deep pore cleanser lotion, in the shower I use a water activated gel cleanser, then a honey almond body scrub, and on the face an exfoliating gel scrub. Then I apply an herbal facial mask, which I leave on for 10 minutes while I prepare the rest of my routine. I always use an aftershave lotion, with little or no alcohol because alcohol dry's your face out and makes you look older (note if over 40 jump off the bridge...just joking about the last comment BUT the competition to look young around here is crazy, see this article), then moisturizer, then an anti-aging eye balm, followed by a final moisturizing protective lotion.

(unfortunately in among American women too much emphasis placed on age and looks, they tend to have an obsession with the ideal Hollywood look for men)

There is an idea of a Patrick Bateman, some kind of abstraction but there is no real me, only an entity, something of looser y, and although I can hide my cold gaze and shake my hand and feel flesh gripping yours and maybe you can even sense our lifestyles are probably comprable, I simply am not there."
(While romance novels, school teachers, your friends/family/co-workers might tell you "to be yourself" as we all know that is simply not enough. In the West we swallow the red pill, and are almost forced to live a "lie", living a semi-fake lifestyle, has become a must if you wanna pull top notch quality.)

[Brian Shima]

Some of you guys are exaggerating if you look decent and take care of yourself and know how to talk to girls, you'll do fine with women. You probably won't be getting with models but you can drain your balls just fine

[Brian Shima]

See my Small town girl game, I am by no means a very handsome guy. I am just an introvert who likes getting new women in bed!

[TripleG]

(11-24-2014 10:01 PM)Brian Shima Wrote:  

See my Small town girl game, I am by no means a very handsome guy. I am just an introvert who likes getting new women in bed!

Brian, small town girl game is not feasible for many Roosh members. Just to drive 2 hours south of Washington, DC (where I currently live) and do day-game at some redneck diner or gas-station is a crap-shoot. Sure, you might come across a good-looking girl but the chances are small and you certainly won't come across any "club-sluts" all decked out for a night out on the town.

My statements are meant for guys who live in large US Cities and who work all day long. The few hours we have in the evenings to game we have to run A game to succeed and even then it is with mediocre girls.

[Lothario]

So we are all agreeing that bigger cities are a tough grind even with Air tight Game and some of us are coming out on the other side as winners. for example Giovonny at 38 beds college girls but it ain't easy for him either. dude works works then any body, commits more time then any body I Know.

So what do we do, we adapt. change our locations ? not all of us can pack and GTFO of USA. We can put in that much amount of time and or have time to visit 2nd tier cities for Gaming purposes only, How about pipelining 2-3 girls from a nearby small town and making a day trip on a weekend and then Inviting them to see the lights and experience your fun big city.

I will highly recommend and second Gaming Girls in 2nd Tier cities, Last weekend I drove over 80 miles to meet a 19 y/o cosmetologist from a small town and she was blown away using standard humble Game. She drove to me yesterday and I banged her every which way and she is already talking about my schedule for next week.

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Vitriol Wrote:
Just a list to highlight a few points about American women that have already been covered on the forum:

1. Most American women in the big cities think every guy who isn't a pro-athlete or celebrity is a loser.

2. A lot of American women in small towns are going to be "people of Wal-Mart" landwhale/single mothers.

Vitriol I agree with your 2nd point but will add that the Young Girls 18-21 are bored out of their minds and sick of guys with no game,who are not going any where in their life and when one of us shows up it's a breath of Fresh Air for them.

I feel like giving away my trade secret but it truely is like finding a Dimaond in the rough, finding young, sweet, feminine and non bitchy girls from small town USA.

Happy Hunting fellas.

[TripleG]

@Lothario, point well taken but for me I just don't understand the idea of traveling for hours to meet a girl who is probably half your age just for a ONS. I can't even mentally relate to college-aged Americans just because they seem so immature and lacking for life experiences.

Right now I am batting low (I attribute it primarily due to big city syndrome , my small social circle, and the awful weather here which makes tough for day-gaming) but the ultimate solution still lies in "GTFO of USA" as you so eloquently put it

For now I am looking for overseas opportunities and applying for jobs in EE (kind of hard to replace the 6 figure US salary). There's many other positives about relocating to eastern europe besides the women, such as the tax situation and the cheap real-estate but that is for another thread.

[Que enspastic]

India ? Saudi Arabia ? Western Samoa ?

[rudebwoy]

Everytime I have been to the USA there has been opportunities to game decent girls. Whether it be a business trip to Tampa or a walking around uptown Manhattan with my 70 year old father on a sunday afternoon, there has always been some girls looking to be opened.
England may not have world class talent, few places do. Despite that I am more than willing to move back to London from Canada to have a better social life. When I lived briefly in London, it seemed natural to meet women. I banged a co-worker on a night out, who I never spoke to before at work. She had the sense to keep her distance at work and come back for more. In Canada, I would be terrified to do that, although I am presented with opportunities.
For the record, I have partied outside of London. Brighton wasn't a bad scene, Birmingham had decent talent although I would never live there. I have mates in their 40s who still bang decent talent all over England, in fact some of you would be shocked if you saw what some of these cats look like.

I believe these two countries are a good indicator of where you are at in terms of game and looks.

[ManAbout]

(11-29-2014 01:58 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

I have mates in their 40s who still bang decent talent all over England, in fact some of you would be shocked if you saw what some of these cats look like.

British women are definitely under appreciated on this board. As a whole, I find that they are much more forgiving than N American women, when it comes to various things like a guy's physical appearance, race, age etc.

[scheme00]

I am a 30 year old male who grew up in Southern California. I have lived in Los angeles for the last 10 years. If you aren't rich or famous or a baller or promoter, good luck out here unless your looks are 12/10. The bitch shield here is sky high. I always think "#### the U.S. girls" and then am blown away when I visit somewhere else like Florida or Arizona. Big city girls are a JOKE. The U.S. is great if you don't visit a large city. A small fun town like Austin or Tampa can blow your mind. I'm trying to get the hell out of here.

[bacardi123]

Apparently this thread won't fade away soon . Well thanks for all the input guys...

A few more things: My original intention was to say that the local women on average aren't anything special and not the polish immigrants in london or all the world-visitors in California. So you get it...obviously the places are cosmopolitan/mixed if you compare them to eastern europe - however i think the thrushold of male-hate is set too high in those places, can't put up with the bullshit there that women say about men...not to mention the obesity rates...

[malakaix]

(11-23-2014 07:51 AM)Constitution45 Wrote:  

Just expand this for the rest of society, competition is pretty fierce for attractive women in the U.K. Yes there are sanctuaries and these little hobbit enclosed areas in the home counties, were beautiful babes are frolicking in the hills waiting for a creature with at least an ounce more testosterone that hurray henry who wants to move to London to become a socialist transsexual. But for the majority of people in the country, if you want to have a woman who is attractive, you need to play the game.

LOL.

It's also similar in Australia, the competition for attractive women is ridiculous.. at least in the UK your not competing with a cashed up body-building obsessed culture that is widely out of control.. after living in EE for over a year.. it's put much into perspective for me regarding the ratio of quality women here..

(11-23-2014 07:51 AM)Constitution45 Wrote:  

When I return back to the U.K, I just knuckle down on my business, work and studies.

This is essentially what i'm using my time for while im back in Australia. I realized the women here are not really worth investing my time and resources into and i'd rather apply them towards future business and investment prospects overseas.

[SuperTwin22]

(11-10-2014 02:06 PM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  

(11-08-2014 10:48 PM)mirv Wrote:  

I can't wait to get back to the DC area. Just one more year and I'm out of this dump.

Man, forget DC. The real poosy paradise is in Toronto! That's where you need to be for the very best, most feminine and sweetest women in the entire universe! And once you've been there, please do share with us your amazing experiences there!

[Gopnik]

I was about to post this in the "unpopular opinions" thread, here in northern England, the talent is surprisingly good... slightly lower than in Poland but honestly not by that much. In terms of looks, I can't quite see the reason behind the bad rep of english girls. Also obesity seems to be a problem only for middle aged women, not so much for the students.

[bacardi123]

(12-13-2014 02:23 AM)Luisaceo Wrote:  

I was about to post this in the "unpopular opinions" thread, here in northern England, the talent is surprisingly good... slightly lower than in Poland but honestly not by that much. In terms of looks, I can't quite see the reason behind the bad rep of english girls. Also obesity seems to be a problem only for middle aged women, not so much for the students.

can you say Nottingham is part of northern England??

because there was this girl once (a bit young - 18) but met her 2 years ago while in greece, she was from Nottingham and was 9.5/10 or so. Still can't forget her look ...man (I also got her fb but sorry not posting pics if someone's curious...not cool without permission I guess).

[Gopnik]

^^ Some people say Nottingham is already northern England but others say it's not. I'm currently in Sheffield, there's student girls from all over the country and honestly, they look way better than I'd expected. It's not like in EE but the difference is not that huge.

[Constitution45]

Haha this is a perfect time for me to come across this thread.

I have to empathise, of course there are going to be good looking women in the U.K. The point is there really isn't that many, thus making the dynamics very skewered. If most guys want to get laid or meet a woman, they will have to rely on their 28 year old semi attractive married colleague who has a scorpion tattoo from Thailand, Or go to nightclubs and we know what that is like. Britain is still conservative in some ways, some will disagree with me, but approaching people randomly for conversations on the street, may work in London; but elsewhere it would be frowned upon. Unless you are on a night out, but then that leads on to another point I will make later

Yes there are Eastern European women along with the other joys of diversity, but most attractive EE women will have high bitch shields or be very clicky. Take in mind a lot of EE in the U.K work a lot, usually in the jobs that are undesirable, so they are not going to be stunners nor will they be too approachable. Also the diversity in the U.K works against itself, cancelling out any benefits when it comes to the dating market.

I don't want to turn this into a race thread, but muslim and african men are more overt and aggressive with their approaching. They also seem to have a white fetish, to the point where an overweight english woman with an extremely bad attitude, will always have a large swathe of foreign men to fall back on. In cities like I am living in, women are not receptive or open to having conversation with men on the middle of the street, partly because of this; but don't get me wrong, there are a lot of other reasons as well.

English women, okay, well let me explain a few things that can be fairly used to generalise the population. Take in mind that I lived the most part of my life in the U.K and have a substantial amount of experience working in bars, universities, London. Most have this attitude of "being one of the lads" but it just doesn't work and becomes obnoxious, also your average "lad" doesn't usually have 4 or 5 males orbiting them, jumping through their hoops, plus its usually a type of humour that involves massive ungodly shit tests.

[Gopnik]

(12-13-2014 06:57 AM)Constitution45 Wrote:  

approaching people randomly for conversations on the street, may work in London; but elsewhere it would be frowned upon. Unless you are on a night out, but then that leads on to another point I will make later

Interesting. From what I've been told, it's more like the opposite. According to my friends here, it's common in the north to start conversations with strangers and people have a reputation for being more friendly than down south.

Overall, I do see the sexual market being highly in favour of women here of course. The nightlife is a massive sausagefest and the few girls are often in large, mixed groups and are very unapproachable but the talent is decent. By 3:00 a.m everyone is leaving and girls are too busy ordering a burger and chips to be interested in hooking up with a stranger (I've never seen so many junk food establishments as in England, for every fast food place in Spain or Poland, there's probably 10 of them in here, this is like the European mecca of junk food.)

[Saweeep]

(12-13-2014 09:43 AM)Luisaceo Wrote:  

(12-13-2014 06:57 AM)Constitution45 Wrote:  

approaching people randomly for conversations on the street, may work in London; but elsewhere it would be frowned upon. Unless you are on a night out, but then that leads on to another point I will make later

Interesting. From what I've been told, it's more like the opposite. According to my friends here, it's common in the north to start conversations with strangers and people have a reputation for being more friendly than down south.

You are right; strangers are definitely more friendly to one another the further away from London one goes. Noticeably more.

Non urban/rural England couldn't be a more delightful place, frankly.

Also, Nottingham is slam bang in the middle of the country and is part of the East Midlands and therefore Midlands.

[TheDealCloser]

I'm a guy that can't wait to get back stateside. Many people are talk about how American women aren't feminine and I can see that. What I would like to know is why complain about it if all you want to do it "hit it" and she is willing. Food for thought.

On another note, I gotta go with EE for feminine beautiful women that know their place. If you are looking for a life long mate, go fishing in EE and you will find what you want.

[Kieran]

I have to say nightlife is great in the UK at the moment. Christmas parties going on all over the place, everybody is in a good mood etc. No better time for pulling.

[192]

From the UK, lived I Australia for 8 years, I'd say London has better possibilities for Europeans etc, in Australia you've got some Asian and middle eastern hotties around. As previously said though Australia is the home of the 69, plus the Aussie bros are aggressive and have no standards, not sure which county is worse actually.

[Aaron-]

UK and US girls, especially in big cities, tend to place a greater emphasis on money and status. I would not immediately say that these places are therefore the 'worst' for meeting girls. It just depends where you stand on this ladder.

[RestinPeace]

(12-13-2014 09:43 AM)Luisaceo Wrote:  

(12-13-2014 06:57 AM)Constitution45 Wrote:  

approaching people randomly for conversations on the street, may work in London; but elsewhere it would be frowned upon. Unless you are on a night out, but then that leads on to another point I will make later

Interesting. From what I've been told, it's more like the opposite. According to my friends here, it's common in the north to start conversations with strangers and people have a reputation for being more friendly than down south.

Overall, I do see the sexual market being highly in favour of women here of course. The nightlife is a massive sausagefest and the few girls are often in large, mixed groups and are very unapproachable but the talent is decent. By 3:00 a.m everyone is leaving and girls are too busy ordering a burger and chips to be interested in hooking up with a stranger (I've never seen so many junk food establishments as in England, for every fast food place in Spain or Poland, there's probably 10 of them in here, this is like the European mecca of junk food.)

Thats because the UK is actually more like the US, Canada or Australia culturally wise than Its like mainland Europe, so no wonder fast food chains are much more popular over there.