[bojangles]

British women have had a reputation for over 200 years for being amongst the most beautiful on the planet its just like you say there are significantly less who fit that role now.

That's due to a cultural decline which isnt as evident amongst the upper middle class and rich families. Kate Moss was held up as the hottie of the masses but she wasnt hot..at all.

[Stud#15]

I'm an American and yes, the US has to be one of the worst places to look for women, unless you happen to a model and athlete with 50 million in the bank and have several residences in Beverly Hills.

I've given up on finding a woman here and have been focusing on other countries.

[POASTER]

I've posted before about how British girls, even the chavy ones, can actually be really sexy: http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-40274-...#pid828399

My experience is just from seeing them at foreign resorts though.

There are a few consensus opinions this forum has that I just don't agree with, one of them being the bashing of British women. Yes there are a good deal of bad ones, but the ones who take care of themselves can be outright stunning and flawless. No different from a really hot sorority girl in America for example.

But of course for wife-hunting that's a different story, both countries are bad.

"American women" are too broad to generalize. Different parts of America are like different countries. Heck in Southern California alone there are so many subcultures in a small area and the women vary wildly.

[jay_penetratem]

As a native briton I can say that british girls are sluts. But most are sluts in denial. Genuinely hot girls are rare and wont open the legs unless you have reputation/money/status so most of the time i just keep a rotation of 5 and 6s for constant play and the occasional 7. Im nicely locked down in a relationship with a child, so that gives me an ability to game with a more aggressive edge as i'm only looking for the fast close and not the number for continued contact. Also like POSTER said different areas have different women with different attitudes. So your experience will differ depending on where you go.

[chochemonger1]

(11-17-2014 10:21 PM)POASTER Wrote:  

I've posted before about how British girls, even the chavy ones, can actually be really sexy: http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-40274-...#pid828399

My experience is just from seeing them at foreign resorts though.

There are a few consensus opinions this forum has that I just don't agree with, one of them being the bashing of British women. Yes there are a good deal of bad ones, but the ones who take care of themselves can be outright stunning and flawless. No different from a really hot sorority girl in America for example.

But of course for wife-hunting that's a different story, both countries are bad.

"American women" are too broad to generalize. Different parts of America are like different countries. Heck in Southern California alone there are so many subcultures in a small area and the women vary wildly.

I understand your point and I also understand that quality women exist, in every country of the world. It is just that the percentage of quality women available, in Britain and America, is pretty low, compared to the many other countries, we all focus on here in the forum. And a whole lot more effort needs to be expended, to get the quality that is available.... and on top of that one has to deal with bad attitudes and lack of femininity.
Also, Game would not be so necessary if we all had easy access, to the sorority house or a Hollywood party.

[speeddemon]

(11-18-2014 10:05 AM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

(11-17-2014 10:21 PM)POASTER Wrote:  

I've posted before about how British girls, even the chavy ones, can actually be really sexy: http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-40274-...#pid828399

My experience is just from seeing them at foreign resorts though.

There are a few consensus opinions this forum has that I just don't agree with, one of them being the bashing of British women. Yes there are a good deal of bad ones, but the ones who take care of themselves can be outright stunning and flawless. No different from a really hot sorority girl in America for example.

But of course for wife-hunting that's a different story, both countries are bad.

"American women" are too broad to generalize. Different parts of America are like different countries. Heck in Southern California alone there are so many subcultures in a small area and the women vary wildly.

I understand your point and I also understand that quality women exist, in every country of the world. It is just that the percentage of quality women available, in Britain and America, is pretty low, compared to the many other countries, we all focus on here in the forum. And a whole lot more effort needs to be expended, to get the quality that is available.... and on top of that one has to deal with bad attitudes and lack of femininity.
Also, Game would not be so necessary if we all had easy access, to the sorority house or a Hollywood party.

chochemonger, how much harder do you think America is than other places in the world? Any quantifiable metrics would be useful.

[chochemonger1]

(11-18-2014 11:22 AM)speeddemon Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 10:05 AM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

(11-17-2014 10:21 PM)POASTER Wrote:  

I've posted before about how British girls, even the chavy ones, can actually be really sexy: http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-40274-...#pid828399

My experience is just from seeing them at foreign resorts though.

There are a few consensus opinions this forum has that I just don't agree with, one of them being the bashing of British women. Yes there are a good deal of bad ones, but the ones who take care of themselves can be outright stunning and flawless. No different from a really hot sorority girl in America for example.

But of course for wife-hunting that's a different story, both countries are bad.

"American women" are too broad to generalize. Different parts of America are like different countries. Heck in Southern California alone there are so many subcultures in a small area and the women vary wildly.

I understand your point and I also understand that quality women exist, in every country of the world. It is just that the percentage of quality women available, in Britain and America, is pretty low, compared to the many other countries, we all focus on here in the forum. And a whole lot more effort needs to be expended, to get the quality that is available.... and on top of that one has to deal with bad attitudes and lack of femininity.
Also, Game would not be so necessary if we all had easy access, to the sorority house or a Hollywood party.

chochemonger, how much harder do you think America is than other places in the world? Any quantifiable metrics would be useful.

It is hard for me to be completely, unbiased because my Spanish and Portuguese are fluent... so I do very well in Colombia and Brazil. And I am in my mid 30s, and that is a great age in Latin America.
SE Asia is good for everyone, at all ages, give or take a couple of notches a month and +1 in the quality and youth you are getting, depending on the age and looks of the man.
The only way I can relate America fairly is comparing it to Eastern Europe (not FSU). Past 35, both are hard. The 70 percent that are fat in America is quantifiably equivalent to the 70 percent in E. Europe....those who don't want a foreigner or who don't speak English well. The young fit girls you do pull in the US, will go to bed fast while in E. Europe it averages 3 dates. Mind you I gave up night game everywhere years ago.
But in the end, Eastern Europe still has that sweet spot. With hard work you will pull something damn good, most probably 24 or 25. And, it will be somewhat pleasurable going through the process. In the US there is no such thing.

[Chengiz88]

Maybe i'm crazy, why all this hatred for women from US/UK?? I have been to CEE (Poland, Latvia, Estonia, Czech Rep) and believe me its not the Victoria's secret catwalk show.
Of course there are good looking women there but then the same can be said for the UK/US. Game is the same wherever you go, have a strong frame, project confidence, dress smart and most of the time you will find girls will be attracted to you, whether your in London or Lublin.

[L M McCoy]

(11-18-2014 03:34 PM)Chengiz88 Wrote:  

Maybe i'm crazy, why all this hatred for women from US/UK?? I have been to CEE (Poland, Latvia, Estonia, Czech Rep) and believe me its not the Victoria's secret catwalk show.
Of course there are good looking women there but then the same can be said for the UK/US. Game is the same wherever you go, have a strong frame, project confidence, dress smart and most of the time you will find girls will be attracted to you, whether your in London or Lublin.

You aren't factoring in feminine traits, thinness, and how having a conversation with women from CEE is actually fun and interesting.

Game is not the same wherever you go, if you read Roosh's books you will know and understand why.

[BagelConsultant]

If you're disappointed in American women, try again in New York City. The M/F ratio is better and women generally take care of themselves better here. Plus, it's a major fashion center, not just for design but for education so it attracts lots of "designer chicks"

[Chengiz88]

@LM Mcoy unless you can speak the local lingo in CEE/EE conversation with the women there (even the ones that speak english) is stunted and humour usually gets lost in translation. Don't get me wrong I'm not hating on anyone who loves EE women, I have met and dated EE girls in London. I just would not generalise and state that women from that part of the world are better than what we have in the UK.

[L M McCoy]

(11-18-2014 04:12 PM)Chengiz88 Wrote:  

@LM Mcoy unless you can speak the local lingo in CEE/EE conversation with the women there (even the ones that speak english) is stunted and humour usually gets lost in translation. Don't get me wrong I'm not hating on anyone who loves EE women, I have met and dated EE girls in London. I just would not generalise and state that women from that part of the world are better than what we have in the UK.

The few girls from EE I've met have understood my humor just fine. You're the only English fellow on this forum that I've read who has defended the women of the UK. I would like to know why, is there something I have missed?

[Sidney Crosby]

The English girls I've met traveling have been some of the fattest, ugliest creatures I've ever seen. I'd gladly take an average American or Canadian girl over those beasts.

[El Chinito loco]

If you want to see an interesting disconnect between the unapologetic truth of this forum and non-red pill travel sites you should read some of the comments blue pill guys have of British women.

They are still stereotyped as being proper English princesses with sexy accents. You'll read some shit that will make you laugh your off ass in Lonelyplanet forums or where various other hardcore western beta travellers congregate.

[Chengiz88]

@LM Mcoy I just find this blanket generalisation of all the women in a country strange. Yea there are obese and nasty looking english women, no doubt...but so are they in every country.

[Travesty]

^ We wish you the best in England, you'll need it.

I've only banged one English London native. A defining moment was when there was a fat chick on a skateboard cruising by with good form I must say.

I said: "Wow that girl can move for her size."

Her (studying abroad in U.S. here): "What!? She is totally normal weight there is nothing wrong with her! In England she's thin!"

Girl on the board was 5'3" pushing 160lbs.

[CimbomluBkk]

(11-18-2014 11:03 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

If you want to see an interesting disconnect between the unapologetic truth of this forum and non-red pill travel sites you should read some of the comments blue pill guys have of British women.

They are still stereotyped as being proper English princesses with sexy accents. You'll read some shit that will make you laugh your off ass in Lonelyplanet forums or where various other hardcore western beta travellers congregate.

British women within the normal BMI range is usually bangable, you can't deny it. As for them being princesses, NO WAY! LOL

[El Chinito loco]

(11-19-2014 05:54 PM)CimbomluBkk Wrote:  

British women within the normal BMI range is usually bangable, you can't deny it. As for them being princesses, NO WAY! LOL

The problem is finding one within normal BMI range that doesn't have a fucked up face with clown make up on. British women tend to have a more masculine jawline. Also when they are skinny they can look a bit disproportionate or gangly almost ladyboy-ish.

Most of my opinion of British women comes from seeing them in other places though.

[Lemmo]

I'd say American women are underrated provided you're young (under 27-28) and living in a smaller college town. The large cities, however, are sexual wastelands.

[Travesty]

^ I'll agree with college towns being good, except if you aren't in school and in social circles with social proof, you need tighter to much tighter game than you would abroad. U.S. college chicks also get much less attached so getting a solid harem (6.5+ 18-22) going isn't easy in my experience.

[Papi Rico]

(11-18-2014 12:14 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

And I am in my mid 30s, and that is a great age in Latin America.
SE Asia is good for everyone, at all ages...

I'd love to have a productive discussion on these points.

In Lat Am my most memorable nights have been all-nighters: salsa dancing in Colombia, drinking caipirinhas in Rio, chasing broads all over Santo Domingo. It seems that I would need to expend a lot of physical effort per lay. I would do all that thinking, 'thank god I have the energy'...

Conversely, my most memorable nights out, all across SEA, have involved comparatively less alcohol consumption, virtually no dancing, and getting to business before 2 or 3 am. As well, I would routinely get rejected by average girls in Saigon and Bangkok for being too young, on the assumption that I would not act as their long-term provider.

If you could do it all over again, where would you have spent your 20's?

[speeddemon]

Honestly the big problem with almost all of the better nations for girls is how much harder it is to make money.

[beta_plus]

(11-08-2014 10:58 PM)mirv Wrote:  

For the life of me, I could NEVER understand why Washington DC gets such a bad rap around here. Considering the quality, quantity, and ease of pull of the local talent.

Just do yourself a favor and don't go to Toronto and/or Copenhagen.

DC is a weird place. If you want a cute LTR, it is very doable. If you want to be a true alpha w/a soft harem, it's very hard. Women are bizarrely arrogant in DC. They feel that they can demand the best but the supply just isn't there for their demand.

TO & CPH are just a nightmare. Women there are just spoiled. They demand the best and can get the best even if they are 4+ points lower than the guy (recent articles of ROK indicate that Melbourne & Sydney are like this as well if not worse).

SW Germany struck me as on a different axis. The girls are not arrogant but they kind of understand that they should not be. I will admit that if it wasn't for the relatively warm reception that I got I would have found the talent in and around Frankfurt was underwhelming (though confirmed by other posts on this forum).

[Vitriol]

Just a list to highlight a few points about American women that have already been covered on the forum:

1. Most American women in the big cities think every guy who isn't a pro-athlete or celebrity is a loser.

2. A lot of American women in small towns are going to be "people of Wal-Mart" landwhale/single mothers.

3. Because American women are so into shit like Netflix and their phones, nights out are likely to be sausage fests where the few girls out get huge egos because every guy aged 18-60 is trying to fuck them.

4. The northeast corridor / metropolis from D.C. to Boston (I guess you can include Toronto, but I've never been there) is where some of the best game writers came from because girls in that part of the country are total fucking bitches with huge attitudes.

5. Most American women have a problem with some combination of Adderall, happy pills, birth control, and the medical grade marijuana they're getting from their high school weed dealer who they're still fucking even though he's a loser... so they're not exactly mentally stable.

[N°6]

(11-18-2014 03:34 PM)Chengiz88 Wrote:  

Maybe i'm crazy, why all this hatred for women from US/UK?? I have been to CEE (Poland, Latvia, Estonia, Czech Rep) and believe me its not the Victoria's secret catwalk show.
Of course there are good looking women there but then the same can be said for the UK/US. Game is the same wherever you go, have a strong frame, project confidence, dress smart and most of the time you will find girls will be attracted to you, whether your in London or Lublin.

You make valid points and many people here think the grass is greener elsewhere.

However, the dating markets in the Anglosphere are significantly biased towards women. Online, this bias becomes even more pronounced to the point where women think they are a different class to most men.

I speculate that this is because women are officially counted as being equal in the professional and political spheres but they have retained their special status in the social/ dating sphere. Taking all spheres, women in the Anglosphere are more equal than men but they retain the entitlement of weaker vessels which is politically translated to victimhood.

When a man from the UK goes to Europe, he quickly finds that his dating value is much higher than it is back home and that in most cases, the European dating market mostly favours men because women there marry younger.

"A prophet is not without honour save in his homeland."