[Skip's Steps]

(10-20-2014 10:17 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

Well skips was kind enough to show me his Facebook page.

I will confirm he is who he says he is.

The girls pictured are attractive, I will say these girls are easier to get overseas.

I am making an observation, it could be just the pics you posted. You dress like an American, not like a European.

Lastly, the E350 coupe in one of the pics looks so much nicer than a Cayman. I am a Merc driver myself

I actually own an E350 and not a Proche They both cost the same amount although the Porsche has higher insurance. I didn't want to be too identifiable. I have nothing to hide. I do nothing wrong. I like money, girls, and serving my country.

[Skip's Steps]

(10-20-2014 10:17 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

Well skips was kind enough to show me his Facebook page.

I will confirm he is who he says he is.

The girls pictured are attractive, I will say these girls are easier to get overseas.

I am making an observation, it could be just the pics you posted. You dress like an American, not like a European.

Lastly, the E350 coupe in one of the pics looks so much nicer than a Cayman. I am a Merc driver myself

I am shocked at what American dudes do to date girls I would not even speak to. Fatties and average nellies. In Europe my game was simply showing up, in America they could care less...in fact, in Vegas they think i mm just another broke ass 3 baby having bartender black dude. It's demeaning. The same quality of women I had overseas are dating legit 7 figure guys here.

The expectations of some of these women are crazy....and you all can opine all you want about dating girls for 50 a date...they get it....maybe not everyday but they get it.

[Skip's Steps]

(10-20-2014 10:21 PM)Excalibur Wrote:  

Skip I feel you man.

I am Asian, went to an Ivy equivalent, make 6 figures. Back in Boston, just learned about game, was hitting my strides, dating cute/cool white girls. Then I moved to LA. Here girls don't give a rat's ass about you degree or you 6 figure salary. Unless you got a pad with a pool and a view on Hollywood hills, you ain't competing. Hollywood hotties are sniffing out the producers, directors, casting agents. I even got a used Porche convertible. Good for closing, but does nothing for the front game (obviously girls in the club don't see your car). Sure you don't need money if you got game, but then you are competing with wanna be actor Ryan Gosling look a likes who has zero fear of rejection and "acting skills".

I don't even know why a sophisticated guy like you want to date these girls in Vegas. I am not saying they are not worth dating. They may very well be a good girl friend for that Texas Hold'm poker champ, but you and her have nothing in common. If you just want to get laid, there are some fine ass semi-pros hangout outside of the clubs all the time. I never hooked up with them, but boy do it regret it. I call them semi pros cause they seek out decent looking guys with no game lol. They are young and not janky looking.

Either that or like other guys said, just spam approach the tourist. You probably won't get 8,9,10 though.

On the other note, WTF are you going to charity events making only 114K. I know brothers and Hispanics even Asian like you who did not come from money. Now that you got a bit of dough you think you gonna live like a millionaire. Downgrade that Caymen to an Audi. $100 for a simple dinner and a drink is still classy. Like LA, you don't have the bank roll to compete with the big playa.

The other route is to get into the night life industry, but why bother. Just to get laid with some hotties that you don't have a natural connection with. Invest 3 years in making contacts in the clubs etc. that may never yield any financial return. More likely the insiders will see that you have money and try to get you to invest in this and that and you'll end up like a retired NFL linebacker. Those guys always get the best tables in clubs costing like $10,000-$20,000.

You seem alright though. Might be fun to chill with you IRL and talk shop.

That's what i mean by the currency in each city is different. I hang with a coupla Harvard footballers and their game is literally I played football at Harvard ten years ago and they get laid from it on the EC.

I moved to Vegas because it was a fun place to hang out when on R&R. I now regret it. I am no nerd but I read the Economist and the Atlantic Monthly this am. In vegas they don;t even read Comso...they just look at the pictures.

I also moved here because I thought I could run for Lt. Governor or Congress and win....it an;t that easy. Nobody really cares about your resume here...just how much money you made serving 30 dollar bottles of greygoose for 600 at Hakasan.

A lot of shysters and hustlers here too. The first guy I met rented me a crib that he had not paid on for two years and after three months of being here the Sheriff comes and tells me I have 30 days to leave.

I dont really aim for a 9/10. I am not a 9/10. i just want a nice and respectable high maintenance 8. I also refuse to be with a fatty or flake.

What's your strategy in LA?

[Travesty]

^ Both of you sound like you belong in NYC, no idea why you are in LA and Vegas. Both of these are drinking, weed, glam, and looks over intellect, credentials, pedigree, blah blah.

Also in LA and Vegas it seems like unless you have real money aka the $3M pad, chicks (18-25) care more if you are ripped or in great shape and an artist, surfer, musician than they would if you made $150k a year and went Golden Diploma School X.

Work ethic means little in these places. All about the vibe brah.

[Merenguero]

Skip's Steps:
Although I have read part of the thread, I haven't taken the time to read all of it. While I was in the airport reading the thread, I saw a model, so I went off of the forum and approached her. I immediately said something that she liked, but it's really irrelevant at this point, because I'm back in the shithole and the only place where there are models here is on the internet.

If I lived in Las Vegas, my strategy would be as follows:
1. The gym every day. I guess that goes without saying.
2. One night per week, I would do either a Latin club, a non-Latin club, a strip club, or some combination of the three. Being in clubs too much generally means too much alcohol consumption, which can be counterproductive, and spending too much money. One night a week is enough.
3. One charity event per month. Going to every charity event is overkill. Once a month puts you in with some pretty high-powered people, which can be very helpful in building a social circle. It is also a bit of a private, closed environment so women's bitch shields should be down.
4. During all time spent not working, not sleeping, not in the gym, or not in a club, strip club, or charity event, I would be on the strip approaching. There are endless targets there, it never gets old, and it can only help your situation.
5. Constant online dating. I'm well aware that the top women generally don't do online dating, but the indirect effect of meeting friends of the women who are online can be really good. You can definitely meet the top talent indirectly. I speak from experience.
6. I wouldn't worry about the car. I honestly might not even have a car. I don't look, act, or dress like a guy who can't afford a car, so I seriously doubt any car situation would really hurt me.

[jariel]

This thread should be pinned on top of this board for the duration of its existence.

You have guys who supposedly have all the things that one may think would net them chicks lining up outside their cribs with their suitcases, and yet they're struggling like A-Rod post steroids.

At the end of the day, what you can take away from this shit is that all of the success that you choose to pursue in your life, do it for yourself, not for women, because all of these things don't equal success with women.

We have guys living at home with their parents who are doing better than these guys.

Two things that can be gleaned from men like this:

1. They think they're entitled to dimes.
2. Even though they're non-white, they believe they've accumulated all of this "currency" that is supposed to enable them to purchase and possess attractive white women.

Good luck.

You want to learn game?

Study what these guys do and make sure you do the complete opposite, these guys are simps, simps always take L's and they count being used along the way as W's, you want to win in life and with the people you choose to be a part of it.

I'm not trying to diss these guys, if anything, they've done this community a great service.

[Travesty]

I just see the conversation go back and forth between $100-200 dates?

I am just adding that money up as part of my investment portfolio and plane tickets.

You want to bang hot young girls? You can do it with 3 shots cheap of well vodka and a joint.

[Skip's Steps]

(10-21-2014 01:09 AM)jariel Wrote:  

This thread should be pinned on top of this board for the duration of its existence.

You have guys who supposedly have all the things that one may think would net them chicks lining up outside their cribs with their suitcases, and yet they're struggling like A-Rod post steroids.

At the end of the day, what you can take away from this shit is that all of the success that you choose to pursue in your life, do it for yourself, not for women, because all of these things don't equal success with women.

We have guys living at home with their parents who are doing better than these guys.

Two things that can be gleaned from men like this:

1. They think they're entitled to dimes.
2. Even though they're non-white, they believe they've accumulated all of this "currency" that is supposed to enable them to purchase and possess attractive white women.

Good luck.

You want to learn game?

Study what these guys do and make sure you do the complete opposite, these guys are simps, simps always take L's and they count being used along the way as W's, you want to win in life and with the people you choose to be a part of it.

I'm not trying to diss these guys, if anything, they've done this community a great service.

Is your post aimed at me?

I am not trying to date white women exclusively. I actually prefer mixed chicks like myself.

I have a different approach to women. I like a certain pedigree and I like exclusivity. Your L is my W and vice versa.

You are somewhat correct about currency being non transferable...but a 5% can do pretty well.

You are correct though, I thought it woudl be easier.

[Saladin]

(10-20-2014 02:03 PM)Skips Steps Wrote:  

From 2003 to 2013 I was abroad working for the USG in a variety of capacities—everything from contract diplomat, to managing 100s of Linguists for DOD in the Balkans, to running anti-trafficking programs in Moldova. Most of the 10 years was spent in war zones but about two years was spent in Romania, Tashkent, Jordan, and the UAE. My salary ranged from 84k a year to upwards of 240K. I went to an Ivy League school and played football for three years but wasn’t a starter or anything.

I like to travel and I like foreign girls but after 10 years of being abroad I came home last year and set up shop in Vegas. I now am profoundly unhappy, jaded, intellectually blighted, and disillusioned. I own some duplexes which net me about 5000 a month after all the hassle and have a boring ass contract gig which grosses me about another 4500 a month. The contract gig is not in my wheelhouse but I leveraged my security clearance and IT background and get task orders from a prime contractor.

I went all out when I got home. I read the books and felt that the key to women are cars, nice pads, and flashy shit so I leased a Porsche Cayman, got a swanky high rise on the strip for 1600 a month, and joined the country club. I thought I would have 8s throwing themselves at me left and right and I would be the man. I am not. I am leveraged to the max, normally dateless, and pissed off.
I would think that a 33 year old good looking black guy that is well educated and legit would get tons of babes but I was wrong. I feel intellectually and culturally disconnected here. Vegas is an immoral blue collar service based economy where education and worldliness are not valued.

In LA being a Talent Acquisition Specialist for Sony is more important than being a Special Assistant at the World Bank. In DC it is reversed. In New York it’s all about high finance—Ibankers and traders. In Vegas, it’s about…being a host at a club or being a good gambler. I have nothing of value—or no social currency-- to offer the women here.

In DC I always had dates with attractive foreign women and cute State Dept maidens; in Vegas the strippers have stood me up more times than I can count. I still get 9s 2x ayear—check out my FB if you want bonafides—but they are $350 a date girls and I am literally spending all my cash each month. Not hookers, but dinner on the strip with wine is 225 and the shows are about 120 for two tickets. Stupid.
Admittedly, I have limited game. I am sociable but sterile and at times my arrogance is palpable. My game was based upon my status that was discernable from my speech, clothes, and mannerisms. In Vegas they don’t respect a straight arrow like me. I thought that rolling around in Porsche would get me laid but it doesn’t.

In Europe and in the UAE I had model quality (and decent) women coming out of my ears. In Vegas I am getting fatties, flakes, and women who want a man to pay their rent.

Any advice.

Don't get offended, but it sounds like your game sucks and you need to work on your swag. You live in Vegas of all places, from what I've heard its far easier than most places. I would say stay in Vegas and learn to game there, because its a perfect spot to improve your game.

You're 33. Invest your time into learning game. You're in the prime of your life, and right now you should put in some time going out a few nights a week and approaching women. Stop spending 350$ on a date that's absurd and retarded. In fact it would probably be best for you if you went on cheap dates because you need to stop relying on your money and things to meet women.

As for strippers, spending a lot of money on them is weak as fuck. They deal with big ballers all day at their work, if you're spending big money on them they see you as a mark plain and simple.

" I am sociable but sterile and at times my arrogance is palpable"

^That sentence says a lot. It says you're very logical, and you think you should automatically get girls without putting in any work, or without catering to their emotional needs(I.e girls should like me the way I am, I shouldn't have to work to improve my personality).

Sorry if I'm being harsh, but that's the truth. However you are in a very solid position, you being 33 and with a steady and solid income.

PM me if you want with your Facebook and I can make some recommendations.

[Travesty]

(10-21-2014 01:24 AM)Skips Steps Wrote:  

Is your post aimed at me?

I am not trying to date white women exclusively. I actually prefer mixed chicks like myself.

I have a different approach to women. I like a certain pedigree and I like exclusivity. Your L is my W and vice versa.

You are somewhat correct about currency being non transferable...but a 5% can do pretty well.

You are correct though, I thought it woudl be easier.

At first OP I thought you may be a troll. I like your responses though, they are tempered and it seems like you took the time to learn a bit about the culture of the forum.

You come off as opened minded and I think you will do extremely well and be a valuable member to the forum with all of your experiences.

You have great building blocks. A bit of a mind shift and finding your personal playground will make everything right in a hurry. You need to learn to show your value without arrogance and find the girls you actually like gaming, mix that in with some sexual aggression and it's game over.

Good luck.

[Sourcecode]

I agree with most everything that's been posted.
Skip. It seems like you mistook your status for game.
And have a inflated confidence after keeping up with the Jones's for so long.
But the Jones's are superficial..you've been worrying the facade for to long

instead of using your money to leverage other people ..start using to leverage yourself.

Someone said above. Couch surfing.

I had a thread and a blog post on surfing.. you could probably kill two stones meeting people and smashing girls on the side.

The book recommendations here are good also.
Read up inoosh game.. considering you have lots of stories and experiences. It could work for you

Christian McQueen has also made post oonVegas. on this forum,a long with his personal blog.

Don't forget g manifesto.
If you're in Vegas and looking to lock down some clubs and use your money the right way.he has some great info

[ball dont lie]

(10-21-2014 01:09 AM)jariel Wrote:  

This thread should be pinned on top of this board for the duration of its existence.

You have guys who supposedly have all the things that one may think would net them chicks lining up outside their cribs with their suitcases, and yet they're struggling like A-Rod post steroids.

At the end of the day, what you can take away from this shit is that all of the success that you choose to pursue in your life, do it for yourself, not for women, because all of these things don't equal success with women.

We have guys living at home with their parents who are doing better than these guys.

Two things that can be gleaned from men like this:

1. They think they're entitled to dimes.
2. Even though they're non-white, they believe they've accumulated all of this "currency" that is supposed to enable them to purchase and possess attractive white women.

Good luck.

You want to learn game?

Study what these guys do and make sure you do the complete opposite, these guys are simps, simps always take L's and they count being used along the way as W's, you want to win in life and with the people you choose to be a part of it.

I'm not trying to diss these guys, if anything, they've done this community a great service.

I'm just a beginner but I was thinking the same thing the whole way reading down to page 4. Why the hell didn't anyone say this before?


TO OP:

Fuck those women's ideas. Don't be in their frame. YOU are the man. Fuck them. You want (?) a "high maintenance" ie flakey, wants money, not game, woman?

I don't understand what you are doing here. Many people, myself including, wouldn't buy some damn onion rings. You are essentially whining on a game board why you can't buy 350 dollars dinners and get laid?

You take what you want. That's what needs to change. Your mindset.

[worldwidetraveler]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and add you to the Pro Appetizer team.

[Sebastian]

Salt Lake City is 6 hours from Vegas. Why don't you try? Definitely bring your Cayman. Girls will appreciate if you take them to $15
per person restaurant. Oh Did I say they are more 'authentic' looking white girls?

[The Beast1]

I'm still impressed that you haven't been banned yet Skip.

However, the last thing we need is another Elliot Rodgers. So here's another pointer,

I know some really really smart guys. They program flight controls for UAVs. These guys went to MIT and Carnegie Mellon. Super super smart, incredibly respectful, and you can have some incredibly deep conversations on esoteric topics. They're paid well, dress ok, not the fittest, but are easily pleased and relatively simple to interact with. They're all devote Christians.

These guys do NOT do well with most women. They make all of the classic mistakes. However the one thing they don't make is assumptions about the type of woman they deserve. They look inward at the things they lack and work on them. They all eventually landed good looking girls (all 7s) from the church. Those girls may be 7s but they have the most feminine personalities you'll ever see. Talking to them is soothing to a battered soul.

Not everyone is cut out for the G Manifesto, Christian McQueen club alpha machine. Mad respect to those two gents for being able to do what they do.
It sounds like that is you. Instead, why don't you change your venues. Stop focusing on clubs and bars. Find a good church, swallow the Christian pill (with the red pill knowledge you gain here), and then mack on some Christian chicks with your provider game.

They'll eat it up. If you work out, you'll do even better. If church isn't your game, then find some other venue.

And finally, you deserve NO woman in the same way a woman doesn't deserve a man. Knock that toxic thinking out of your head and work on your sour interpersonal communication skills.

[Gringuito]

Skip,

Speaking from experience, using provider game on girls in the US does not work very well. (with notable exceptions) You need to be careful that you're relying too much on your money or ivy league background. This will come off as bragging/try-hard to the girls. You want to become the fun-guy that just happens to have money. You need to learn game and don't be an open book.

You were taught that if you worked hard, made money, stayed fit, then you would get the girl of your dreams. The reality is that US based girls want a guy that games them well and gives them tingles. They want the fun guy that puts them on the emotional roller coaster. They will accept a filthy rich guy for a while, but their heart won't be in it.

Your choice is whether you change yourself to better fit what the women like in Vegas or move somewhere else where the women value you as you are now.

[Skip's Steps]

(10-21-2014 09:01 AM)Gringuito Wrote:  

Skip,

Speaking from experience, using provider game on girls in the US does not work very well. (with notable exceptions) You need to be careful that you're relying too much on your money or ivy league background. This will come off as bragging/try-hard to the girls. You want to become the fun-guy that just happens to have money. You need to learn game and don't be an open book.

You were taught that if you worked hard, made money, stayed fit, then you would get the girl of your dreams. The reality is that US based girls want a guy that games them well and gives them tingles. They want the fun guy that puts them on the emotional roller coaster. They will accept a filthy rich guy for a while, but their heart won't be in it.

Your choice is whether you change yourself to better fit what the women like in Vegas or move somewhere else where the women value you as you are now.

I think you are right. 200k a year puts one in the top 7% of all US families but in places like LA, MIAMI, NYC that's not enough bread to live the life these girls see on tv and want to emulate.

I prolly picked the worse place to drop anchor at because not only am I not valued for my achievements. I don;t have the bread to compete with the high rollers for the women here.

That being said, nobody really has any money in vegas. It's all out of towners...the jobs here are service orientated so very few men earn 6 figures with a 9 to 5 and being a 35 year old man who fetches cars and drinks is very emasculating.

I think being raised by an EE woman and living so much time abroad has screwed me to to the point of incompatibility to the American game.

My best hope is to go abroad and import a 9 as my wife. I refuse to sing and dance for a woman. Just not my character.

[getdownonit]

(10-21-2014 09:18 AM)Skips Steps Wrote:  

I think being raised by an EE woman and living so much time abroad has screwed me to to the point of incompatibility to the American game.

This is in no way a bad thing. American women, especially those in Vegas, have vastly different priorities in men and for the most part can't hold a candle to the feminine, attractive, and down to earth European lizards.

[Gringuito]

(10-21-2014 09:18 AM)Skips Steps Wrote:  

I think being raised by an EE woman and living so much time abroad has screwed me to to the point of incompatibility to the American game.

My best hope is to go abroad and import a 9 as my wife. I refuse to sing and dance for a woman. Just not my character.

As the commenter above noted you should view yourself as lucky. Your background should make finding someone abroad much easier. Just be careful when you bring her back as to what kind of friends she makes. American women understand all to well that a feminine foreign girl makes them look bad. They will work tirelessly to change her.

[el mechanico]

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Forgive me. I'm reading the tread slowly.

[jariel]

(10-21-2014 09:18 AM)Skips Steps Wrote:  

My best hope is to go abroad and import a 9 as my wife.

[Virtus]

What an excellent troll job

[Merenguero]

O.P.:
For a change of scenery, I would also make fairly frequent trips to Southern California and basically alternate among places like Long Beach, Santa Monica, Huntington Beach, Santa Barbara, and San Diego. I'm well aware of the fact that Southern California is more difficult than Las Vegas, but it's good to cover all your bases.

[el mechanico]

(10-21-2014 01:34 PM)calihunter Wrote:  

What an excellent troll job

He sounds like ex Forum member Divorco who was banned for feminist trolling who also is a smart guy that can't pull in Vegas.

Maybe not a troll.

[Merenguero]

(10-21-2014 01:38 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(10-21-2014 01:34 PM)calihunter Wrote:  

What an excellent troll job

He sounds like ex Forum member Divorco who was banned for feminist trolling who also is a smart guy that can't pull in Vegas.

Maybe not a troll.

How did Divorco like Pinellas County when you met up with him?