Quote: (10-20-2014 04:43 PM)Skips Steps Wrote:  

Quote: (10-20-2014 03:53 PM)MrXY Wrote:  

Why are you going on dates in Las Vegas?

Thousands of women come there every week to party and get laid.

Put a couple of hundred bucks cash in your pocket and hit the Strip.

Go from one hotel-casino to another hitting all the casinos and bars. Cold approach any girl who is bangable and approachable. Run standard cold approach game. You should get laid in three days max.

If you dont, study and practice more. You're blaming various external circumstances but the most likely problem is your game needs a lot of work.

A typical date would be a black tie charity event--where in vegas nobody knows that this requires a tux--

I really don't understand this comment and I'm considering going to some of that type
of events. Are you saying that those events require a tuxedo and the people who go there don't know that or are you saying that the people who don't go there don't know that?

Quote: (10-20-2014 04:56 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  

Quote: (10-20-2014 04:43 PM)Skips Steps Wrote:  

Quote: (10-20-2014 03:53 PM)MrXY Wrote:  

Why are you going on dates in Las Vegas?

Thousands of women come there every week to party and get laid.

Put a couple of hundred bucks cash in your pocket and hit the Strip.

Go from one hotel-casino to another hitting all the casinos and bars. Cold approach any girl who is bangable and approachable. Run standard cold approach game. You should get laid in three days max.

If you dont, study and practice more. You're blaming various external circumstances but the most likely problem is your game needs a lot of work.

A typical date would be a black tie charity event--where in vegas nobody knows that this requires a tux--

I really don't understand this comment and I'm considering going to some of that type
of events. Are you saying that those events require a tuxedo and the people who go there don't know that or are you saying that the people who don't go there don't know that?

I recently went to a 4square event in Vegas. It's a 100 bucks a ticket and all u can drink and eat. I took my date. I went to the same event in DC a few years back and people were in Tuxes. In Vegas people wore jeans. There were a few people in tuxes in vegas but not the majority. Same event in different locations had a markedly different crowd.

Black tie optional does not mean jeans.

I am not an expert at this troll thing. But Ivy League with all those years experience? Most of these guys are either C level executives pulling down a lot more or running their own startup with lots of funding. Especially if he is multilingual and black.

Something does not fit, $114K coming out of school maybe but not after 15 years. Another thing is he would have been heavily recruited by the corporate world graduating from an Ivy League and sitting pretty today. And networking with these Ivy League guys is an art form and insider's club like you would not believe.

Quote: (10-20-2014 05:00 PM)Skips Steps Wrote:  

Quote: (10-20-2014 04:56 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  

Quote: (10-20-2014 04:43 PM)Skips Steps Wrote:  

Quote: (10-20-2014 03:53 PM)MrXY Wrote:  

Why are you going on dates in Las Vegas?

Thousands of women come there every week to party and get laid.

Put a couple of hundred bucks cash in your pocket and hit the Strip.

Go from one hotel-casino to another hitting all the casinos and bars. Cold approach any girl who is bangable and approachable. Run standard cold approach game. You should get laid in three days max.

If you dont, study and practice more. You're blaming various external circumstances but the most likely problem is your game needs a lot of work.

A typical date would be a black tie charity event--where in vegas nobody knows that this requires a tux--

I really don't understand this comment and I'm considering going to some of that type
of events. Are you saying that those events require a tuxedo and the people who go there don't know that or are you saying that the people who don't go there don't know that?

I recently went to a 4square event in Vegas. It's a 100 bucks a ticket and all u can drink and eat. I took my date. I went to the same event in DC a few years back and people were in Tuxes. In Vegas people wore jeans. There were a few people in tuxes in vegas but not the majority. Same event in different locations had a markedly different crowd.

Black tie optional does not mean jeans.

Thanks. If I end up moving here (I'm in Las Vegas now, but am about to get on a plane), I plan to go to the charity events pretty often.

Also, Las Vegas was unbelievably bad the last few days, by far the worst I've ever seen it. I was also in about the worst mood/the most stressed I've been in decades. As soon as I get back, I have to write some pretty large checks to both the federal and state government. It never seems to end.

Quote: (10-20-2014 05:01 PM)reco2100 Wrote:  

I am not an expert at this troll thing. But Ivy League with all those years experience? Most of these guys are either C level executives pulling down a lot more or running their own startup with lots of funding. Especially if he is multilingual and black.

Something does not fit, $114K coming out of school maybe but not after 15 years. Another thing is he would have been heavily recruited by the corporate world graduating from an Ivy League and sitting pretty today. And networking with these Ivy League guys is an art form and insider's club like you would not believe.

Dude, not everyone with an Ivy league degree is corporate law, BIG 3 consulting, or working for Goldman.

Of my three closest classmates here is the run down--a high school civics teacher and football coach at an East Coast prep school, a trader at CreditSuissse (makes the big bucks but has been laid off twice), and a writer/editor for National Geographic (which is prestigious as fuck in the literary world although it does not pay squat).

The best receiver on my team...white boy...got a girl pregnant his junior year and dropped out and works for UPS a front line manager in some hole in Jersey where he was from.

Dude, even if I was full time at State, how much money do you think the head of the political office in Copenhagen makes? Diplomats dont get big salaries.

To help your inner game I suggest getting involved in a high-energy, physical hobby like MMA or BJJ, cycling, or training for triathlons. LV, from what I understand, is a good place for running or cycling training if you get out early enough in the morning to avoid the heat. There are tons of cycling, running, and triathlon races within a few hours drive of you throughout southern and central california. Triathlon is an expensive pasttime, because of the cost involved with purchasing high-end cycling equipment and paying for a gym membership that gives you access to a lap pool. But, it sounds like you have the salary to afford it.

Quote: (10-20-2014 02:17 PM)Skips Steps Wrote:  

Quote: (10-20-2014 02:14 PM)valmont Wrote:  

You should have leased a Porsche 911 or something flashier. A Cayman is for wealthy suburban soccer mom's.

I don't have unlimited income...do you really think a 911 matters that much?

I'm not sure how much more it costs to lease a 911, but I assume if you can afford to lease a Cayman you're probably within range.

A 911 isn't some magic wand, but I've rolled around in luxury cars quite a bit, and I can say beyond any doubt the 911 is a "chick magnet" close to the level of sport-car superexotics like Lamborghini or Ferrari while being much cheaper.

Quote: (10-20-2014 05:30 PM)valmont Wrote:  

Quote: (10-20-2014 02:17 PM)Skips Steps Wrote:  

Quote: (10-20-2014 02:14 PM)valmont Wrote:  

You should have leased a Porsche 911 or something flashier. A Cayman is for wealthy suburban soccer mom's.

I don't have unlimited income...do you really think a 911 matters that much?

I'm not sure how much more it costs to lease a 911, but I assume if you can afford to lease a Cayman you're probably within range.

A 911 isn't some magic wand, but I've rolled around in luxury cars quite a bit, and I can say beyond any doubt the 911 is a "chick magnet" close to the level of sport-car superexotics like Lamborghini or Ferrari while being much cheaper.

I dont think a car will help me out. The Cayman and insurance runs me 1125 per month. I dont wannt go any higher than that.

I actually like the Cayman better too.

The moment you focus your game on giving the girl money you are fucked.

A man with no game works at McDonalds and tells women he is a doctor. A man with game is a doctor who tells women he works at McDonalds.

Quote: (10-20-2014 06:11 PM)OnlyMarryInTajikistan Wrote:  

The moment you focus your game on giving the girl money you are fucked.

A man with no game works at McDonalds and tells women he is a doctor. A man with game is a doctor who tells women he works at McDonalds.

Gold! It reminds me of this video
http://youtu.be/RH09RUA7b3Q?t=2m3s

Saul Goodman: If you're committed enough, you can make any story work. I once told a woman I was Kevin Costner, and it worked because I believed it.

Quote: (10-20-2014 05:01 PM)reco2100 Wrote:  

I am not an expert at this troll thing. But Ivy League with all those years experience? Most of these guys are either C level executives pulling down a lot more or running their own startup with lots of funding. Especially if he is multilingual and black.

The highlighted bold above is where people can stop reading your post.

It's ridiculous to think that going to a target/Ivy school = majority will be executives in the future. Just run the stats on that for a second.

Even worse, "startup with lots of funding"??

Do you know how many people get degrees from prestigious schools who are actually risk averse, and would never bother with a start up?

And even if we accepted your premise, "lots of funding" is a silly thing to tack on, since many start ups fail and their founders end up doing something else.

It's called Survivorship Bias, you think success is much more common than it is in reality, since people or the media generally only focus on the winners.

Man o man we got some serious haters on this forum.

I think you have set up shop in the wrong town, I have never been to Vegas and to be honest I have no desire to go. I can only assume you are dealing with girls that are use to dudes wasting money on them, that game you will always lose.

Having spent time in Europe, I know nothing will feel the void in North America. They maybe a select few cities but outside of Montreal and maybe NYC I can't think of any.

I say do the graduate degree in Budapest and get the F out of dodge.

Oh you can send me the Facebook page, I would be happy to verify your details. Lol

Quote: (10-20-2014 03:53 PM)jariel Wrote:  

Quote: (10-20-2014 02:03 PM)Skips Steps Wrote:  

Admittedly, I have limited game.

Black men can't afford to have limited game.

Quote: (10-20-2014 04:43 PM)Skips Steps Wrote:  

A typical date would be a black tie charity event--where in vegas nobody knows that this requires a tux-- or dinner at STK at the Cosmo. Followed by drinks and then a comped bottle at XS, Marquee, or whatever other industry night is poppin.
I also take chicks zip lining, go carting, ferrishweel riding (the linq) and to shows like Blue Man or Cirque du Solei.

Dude, quit being so try hard. We can smell your "top that motherfucka" attitude from a mile away, and it's an epic fail.

Why do you need to take them to a black tie event? Why do you need to take them to thailand? Why do you need to pay an MBA?

What ROI did you get from the Moldovian broad? Seems like you have an inferiority/insecurity issue.

What does the black tie event get you?

You complain about farangs "exploiting" third world women who are 1/3 their age. Guess what? You're doing the same, just change 1/3 age to X times their income.

Dude, I've fucked bankers, staties, military contractors, consultants, and the like too. No date has ever gone above $55 bucks, and that includes the tip. Most of the time they pay. Go on a date and take a 50 with you, nothing else...your brain is wired to think "if I show them what I got, they will come".

No, they will come when they know you're having a good time and not trying too hard to get poosy.

Edit: Girls will take what you give them, but don't expect them to give you what you want as they never entered into a contract with you. How the saying goes: Just because you didn't eat the lion it does not mean the lion won't eat you.

Quote: (10-20-2014 03:53 PM)jariel Wrote:  

Quote: (10-20-2014 02:03 PM)Skips Steps Wrote:  

Admittedly, I have limited game.

Black men can't afford to have limited game.

"Peep the jewels black man, it's even better than gold."

Skip's Steps

I'll be back at the end of the month.

You are experiencing what many guys in Vegas that are higher value do. Access to the hottest ass requires a good social circle which will take time to build.

You will always see the sexiest bottle service girls with their bus boys. It's just what happens.

You've only got part of the equation down, now you have to know people that KNOW you have your shit together, go to house parties and "outings" and let the proximity do it's work.

Don't get too frustrated.

Quote: (10-20-2014 04:38 PM)Skips Steps Wrote:  

Quote: (10-20-2014 04:00 PM)Mujeriego Wrote:  

I'm calling troll. Dude is ivy league educated, yet claims he is leveraged to the hilt and hard up for snatch. No one with with that kind of smarts is going to make such poor financial decisions. With a place on the strip he should be rolling in pussy from tourists, but we get a sob story about dropping 3.5 bills per date for a shot at banging.

Financial acumen and book smarts are not always correlated. In fact, it's about 50/50. I like nice things...what's credit vard debt when I can take a gig in Kabul for three months and come back with 60k)

I also only date high maintenance polished women. The kind of girls I like are quasi in the game and are used to interacting with men of gravitas. The game you speak of does not really work since both Floyd and Julio Iglasiacs are texting mutiple times a day.

I think my probelem is that I am purising women out of my financial league.

No, you're trying to BUY women out of your financial league. If you don't have the money (if you aren't the rich American in Bucharest) this is a strategy that's bound to fail. Or at the very least, be an economic suicide mission.

On the bright side, American women are irrational, and date complete losers all the time. Being in a wealthy society gives them that luxury. Next time you see some hot girl dating a complete loser, instead of feeling smug and superior to him, say to yourself "How do I become that complete LOSER!"

Also, you're an international guy with an elite pad in a great location in a top city, I recommend you read the Roosh couchsurfing thread, that game seems made to order for you.

Quote: (10-20-2014 06:26 PM)LeBeau Wrote:  

Quote: (10-20-2014 05:01 PM)reco2100 Wrote:  

I am not an expert at this troll thing. But Ivy League with all those years experience? Most of these guys are either C level executives pulling down a lot more or running their own startup with lots of funding. Especially if he is multilingual and black.

The highlighted bold above is where people can stop reading your post.

It's ridiculous to think that going to a target/Ivy school = majority will be executives in the future. Just run the stats on that for a second.

Even worse, "startup with lots of funding"??

Do you know how many people get degrees from prestigious schools who are actually risk averse, and would never bother with a start up?

And even if we accepted your premise, "lots of funding" is a silly thing to tack on, since many start ups fail and their founders end up doing something else.

It's called Survivorship Bias, you think success is much more common than it is in reality, since people or the media generally only focus on the winners.

The story seems believable.

There's about 15K ivy league graduates every year.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivy_League

There's about 5K publicly listed companies in the us.
http://online.wsj.com/articles/SB1000142...2107177430

Quote: (10-20-2014 04:38 PM)Skips Steps Wrote:  

I also only date high maintenance polished women. The kind of girls I like are quasi in the game and are used to interacting with men of gravitas. The game you speak of does not really work since both Floyd and Julio Iglasiacs are texting mutiple times a day.

edit: Nevermind, going to withhold comments for the time being.

Well skips was kind enough to show me his Facebook page.

I will confirm he is who he says he is.

The girls pictured are attractive, I will say these girls are easier to get overseas.

I am making an observation, it could be just the pics you posted. You dress like an American, not like a European.

Lastly, the E350 coupe in one of the pics looks so much nicer than a Cayman. I am a Merc driver myself

Skip I feel you man.

I am Asian, went to an Ivy equivalent, make 6 figures. Back in Boston, just learned about game, was hitting my strides, dating cute/cool white girls. Then I moved to LA. Here girls don't give a rat's ass about you degree or you 6 figure salary. Unless you got a pad with a pool and a view on Hollywood hills, you ain't competing. Hollywood hotties are sniffing out the producers, directors, casting agents. I even got a used Porche convertible. Good for closing, but does nothing for the front game (obviously girls in the club don't see your car). Sure you don't need money if you got game, but then you are competing with wanna be actor Ryan Gosling look a likes who has zero fear of rejection and "acting skills".

I don't even know why a sophisticated guy like you want to date these girls in Vegas. I am not saying they are not worth dating. They may very well be a good girl friend for that Texas Hold'm poker champ, but you and her have nothing in common. If you just want to get laid, there are some fine ass semi-pros hangout outside of the clubs all the time. I never hooked up with them, but boy do it regret it. I call them semi pros cause they seek out decent looking guys with no game lol. They are young and not janky looking.

Either that or like other guys said, just spam approach the tourist. You probably won't get 8,9,10 though.

On the other note, WTF are you going to charity events making only 114K. I know brothers and Hispanics even Asian like you who did not come from money. Now that you got a bit of dough you think you gonna live like a millionaire. Downgrade that Caymen to an Audi. $100 for a simple dinner and a drink is still classy. Like LA, you don't have the bank roll to compete with the big playa.

The other route is to get into the night life industry, but why bother. Just to get laid with some hotties that you don't have a natural connection with. Invest 3 years in making contacts in the clubs etc. that may never yield any financial return. More likely the insiders will see that you have money and try to get you to invest in this and that and you'll end up like a retired NFL linebacker. Those guys always get the best tables in clubs costing like $10,000-$20,000.

You seem alright though. Might be fun to chill with you IRL and talk shop.

Quote: (10-20-2014 07:56 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

Dude, I've fucked bankers, staties, military contractors, consultants, and the like too. No date has ever gone above $55 bucks, and that includes the tip. Most of the time they pay. Go on a date and take a 50 with you, nothing else...your brain is wired to think "if I show them what I got, they will come".

That is true. Good game is when a girl who could have any man she wanted is content just having a cheap beer with you. The beer is irrelevant, the prize is having this amazing man in front of her. If you have really good game, you can often get her to pay for the entire date, for the privilege of your company.

The key to getting 9s is not buying them. All those supermodels married to beta millionaires once had alpha dirtbag boyfriends they now pine over in silence. Be THAT guy, the one that catches them young and vulnerable, adds their soul to his collection, not the bastard that has to pay for a woman's attention.

Look...you are an educated, intelligent high-class roller (from what I read), and you are terrible with women. First off, get in line, you're like the 23432432th guy to suffer from this.

Realize that you are at step 1. You will need to go through the steps to get what you want. There is no "oh that's easy, just do this" speech coming anytime soon.

Honestly man, you are going to have to want it. It's going to have to fucking eat at you to the point where you start to do something about it. Notice I said "start" (the whole step 1 thing).

This forum is filled with a ridiculous amount of information. Start small. Start picking up some basic books to get you started.

You need to start to slowly internalize everything you are learning. You live in Vegas, this is the fucking big leagues when it comes to women and high-rollers. I'm saying, you have a the perfect battlefield to start on.

The point: You will not be great with women tomorrow. You will not be great with women next week (although depending on how you bad you get after it, maybe you will be). You are going to slowly get better with women day after day, approach after approach, rejection after rejection. But think of this.....If you are still trying to better yourself everyday, and you quit spending your time and money on lizards and tramps that use you, not only will you be financially richer, but you will be mentally richer, and overall fulfilled. This will do wonders for mandatory concepts like Frame control, abundance mentality, confidence etc. As far as practice goes? Last I heard half the human population was female

Happy hunting man.

Also, I recommend you start reading, alot....
Below are books you pick up asap, in no particular order...

The Rationale Male - Rollo Tomassi
Bang - Roosh (any single one of Roosh's books for that matter)
The Mystery Method - Mystery
Make her chase you - Herbal/Tynan (don't know his real name)
What everybody is saying - Joe Navvaro
The 48 Laws of Power - Robert Greene
The art of Seduction - Robert Greene
The 50th Law - Robert Greene
Rule of the Game - Neil Strauss
No more mister nice guy - Robert A. Glover
The way of Men - Jack Donnovan

LA isn't as much about bankroll as it's made out to be. New York is. It's more about having some sort of "appeal" and looks. Whether is rocker, euro soccer player, or even a glamorized hipster (there's a specific type of hipster that only LA has). Here is the thing, the town has arguably the highest concentration of 9/10's in the world. Those women are reserved for Hollywood guys, Cristiano Ronaldo, or celebrities (whether they be rappers, producers, movie execs...you name it).

There's lots of 6/7/8s in LA that would be 9's in their respective hometowns. You need to have an edge in LA. It's not like most towns where being a regular guy with decent income is enough. An edgy pizza delivery guy in great shape can essentially re-invent himself at night, where in other cities, it would be more difficult. The city itself is built on the premise of a smokescreen.

The guys with the most cash are usually from foreign countries and don't even have a grasp of basic American humor.