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Author and lawyer John Grisham attacked by SJWs
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Author and lawyer John Grisham attacked by SJWs

All right, this one is a bit of a doozy.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-29654291

He came out and, in my judgment, made very reasonable remarks.

The comments that came under fire:

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"We have prisons now filled with guys my age. Sixty-year-old white men in prison who've never harmed anybody, would never touch a child, but they got online one night and started surfing around, probably had too much to drink or whatever, and pushed the wrong buttons, went too far and got into child porn."

US judges had "gone crazy" during the last 30 years, he added.

"I have no sympathy for real pedophiles. God, please lock those people up. But so many of these guys do not deserve harsh prison sentences, and that's what they're getting."

The immediate uncritical response:

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"Mr Grisham's comments send a dangerous message that 'just looking' at images online causes no harm," Jon Brown from the children's charity NSPCC told BBC News online.

"In fact, every image is a real child who has suffered and every time these images are clicked on or downloaded it creates demand that ultimately fuels more child abuse."

Then, of course, the ultimate punishment SJWs have in store for Grisham:

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Meanwhile, London-based child abuse lawyer Dino Nocivelli urged the author to meet survivors of abuse "to educate himself and to truly understand the inappropriateness of his comments"

Grisham has already backed off the comments:

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"My comments... were in no way intended to show sympathy for those convicted of sex crimes, especially the sexual molestation of children," he wrote. "I can think of nothing more despicable."

This is obviously a very touchy subject. If I were Grisham, I wouldn't have poked at it with a 10 foot pole. That being said, is he wrong here? Seems reasonable to me.

Thoughts?
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Quote: (10-16-2014 04:29 PM)Cunnilinguist Wrote:  

Seems reasonable to me.

That is the whole issue. Men try to be reasonable and logical. Women (99% at least) just go with screaming and being offended and personalizing everything. They can always out escalate men on craziness. It doesn't even have to be a cause they care about. All they care about is being able to flip out freely and feel justified in doing so.

The way men can start winning is just withholding attention. Just ignore the SJW. I mean I know there are probably many other ways, but just let them scream themselves to sleep. So they can take their naps. And a bottle of baby milk waits for them when they wake up.

Edit: There are plenty of people men and women who may have been caught for a one time accidental offense. It is understandable, shit happens. Just seems like pity always falls on the woman for being a victim and the men, not so much.

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Author and lawyer John Grisham attacked by SJWs

Is what he's saying true?

IMO, there's a difference between accidentally stumbling on something and actively downloading it and sharing it. I've heard of people getting arrested for the latter but not the former.

Do they really arrest a lot of people who stumble upon child porn or is that hyperbole?

Furthermore, is he unintentionally conflating "child" with "minor" like a lot of SJWs intentionally do to try to shame guys who find teenage girls attractive?

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Author and lawyer John Grisham attacked by SJWs

He seems to be right.

They should indeed lock pedophiles up, but one of the things that emerged in the UK a few years ago was that the police were aggressively pursuing men who had not in fact downloaded any kiddy porn, but had either paid to see legal porn on a site that also hosted pedo content, or only had thumbnails stored in their browser cache, which suggests they weren't browsing for pictures of kids.

The police didn't care about the distinction though - the press and politicians were screaming at them to arrest pedos, so those poor fuckers were treated as if they had been caught outside a primary school with a packet of sweets and a cheeky smile.

As we recently discovered, the police weren't so bold in tackling actual child rapists in places like Rotherham, even though they had scores of complaints over a 10 year period.

But they bravely stormed the house of 73 year old pop singer Cliff Richard, with 8 officers and a BBC helicopter the police invited to cover the raid. Why? Somebody claimed Richard had felt him up... in 1985. Do they have a time travelling DeLorean to collect evidence?

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Such a hard bastard it took 8 policemen and a helicopter to nab him.

So if you're a cynical bastard like me, you might be inclined to think the police don't actually give much of a fuck about protecting kids. They do care about looking good on TV though.
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Author and lawyer John Grisham attacked by SJWs

Can't really agree entirely with Grisham here. Actively browsing for real pictures of can children do real harm; when you seek out such pictures (whether you are doing so due to intoxication or not), you create demand, and that demand is what fuels the abuse of children in the first place (somebody has to find the children and abuse them in order to create the pictures to satisfy the demand).

That being said, Grisham was discussing a case in which a man was arrested for browsing and downloading material on a site that purported to feature 16 year old girls. Here we get into a grey area: 16 year olds are legally minors, but the law also says that they are old enough to generally consent to sex (the arrest Grisham notes took place in Canada, where the age of consent is 16; 29 out of 50 US states set the age of consent at 16; the media organization with which Grisham interviewed was in the UK, where the age of consent is also 16).

Is someone guilty of looking at photos of individuals that the government deems old enough to consent to sexual activity with someone of any age truly a "sicko" on the scale of someone guilty of downloading photos of pre-pubescent children? Probably not. Such an individual is probably not a pedophile either (pedophiles, by definition, are drawn to pre-pubescent children; 16 year olds are too mature for them).

All in all, I see what Grisham was getting at: guys who spend time viewing images of individuals old enough to consent to sex probably aren't pedophiles, and probably should not receive precisely the same treatment as someone guilty of viewing/downloading images of pre-pubescent children. I'd contend that they should still receive some legal punishment (it is in society's interest to discourage the participation of minors in paid sex-work, even if they are old enough to legally consent to unpaid sex with anyone of any age; making their participation in said sex work a crime does this), but perhaps a clearer distinction should be drawn between them and actual pedophiles. If that was Grisham's ultimate point, then I see where he is coming from.

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Quote: (10-16-2014 05:36 PM)Excelsior Wrote:  

Can't really agree entirely with Grisham here. Actively browsing for real pictures of can children do real harm; when you seek out such pictures (whether you are doing so due to intoxication or not), you create demand, and that demand is what fuels the abuse of children in the first place (somebody has to find the children and abuse them in order to create the pictures to satisfy the demand).

That isn't what he was referring to. He meant dudes who accidentally stumble upon this shit and then have their lives ruined. Obviously, active browsing shows intent, and that's a whole different ballgame.
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By any measure, sentencing guidelines (for both federal and state-level sex offenses) are far too excessive in the US for sex-crimes. This was the gist of Grisham's comments and he is absolutely correct. I am disappointed that he backed away from his remarks, but he's a political animal too, and needs his book sales from his female readership.

The past 30 years has seen an explosion in:

The expansion of what constitutes a "sex-offense"
The expansion of punitive "sex offender registries"
The expansion is mandatory minimums for so-called "sex offenses"

If more people really worked in the criminal justice system and saw how these things really played out, they would be shocked.
No one is saying that real criminals should not be punished. So let's put that little canard to rest right away.

But there is a hysteria surrounding these cases that has made rational discussion of them nearly impossible. If people really knew the details of what constitutes cyber crimes, file sharing, and all those details, they would not believe it.

Punishments should bear some relation to the crime committed. And this is not currently happening. This is because legislators feed off the hysteria to get elected; judges go with the flow; prosecutors want to look tough; and the public is apathetic and uninformed.

I am sure that Sp5 and any other practicing attorney (i.e., someone who actually practices criminal defense at the state and federal level in the real world) will agree with me on this.
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Author and lawyer John Grisham attacked by SJWs

Child pornography is the only thing for which it is a crime to merely view. Not beheadings, not rapes of adults, only pedophilia. And not just pedophilia, but ephebophilia - sex with late adolescents. Why treat the viewing of pedophilia differently than that of rape and murder? It seems like we are so incensed by this crime that we penalize people who, for any other crime, we would consider at worst people of dubious taste and character, but not criminals.

But you can't have an honest, rational discussion about it because everyone is so scared of being tarred as a pedophile themselves. They've internalized the fear so strongly they can't think straight any longer about it. I don't have any suggested solution or policy.
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Author and lawyer John Grisham attacked by SJWs

There seems to be very different circumstances where an individual could look at this material-

1. They pay for it, or provide photos themselves to join a file sharing network dedicated to this material

2. They search for it and find it freely

3. They inadvertently come across it

Grisham seems to be speaking about group 2, which I would agree with him.
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I see what he means but at the same time, in this day and age, you have to actively search for pornographic images of pre-pubescent children (not "barely legal" girls). It's pretty hard for these images to just pop up. Back when I extensively watched porn I rarely encountered these images. The few times I did, I'd shutdown the browser fast, expecting the cops to break down my door and arrest me. Still, my impression is that the authorities go after people who download the images and/or distribute them, not after people who accidentally stumble upon these images otherwise a whole lot of people would be in jail.
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Quote: (10-16-2014 04:57 PM)SteveMcMahon Wrote:  

He seems to be right.

They should indeed lock pedophiles up, but one of the things that emerged in the UK a few years ago was that the police were aggressively pursuing men who had not in fact downloaded any kiddy porn, but had either paid to see legal porn on a site that also hosted pedo content, or only had thumbnails stored in their browser cache, which suggests they weren't browsing for pictures of kids.

The police didn't care about the distinction though - the press and politicians were screaming at them to arrest pedos, so those poor fuckers were treated as if they had been caught outside a primary school with a packet of sweets and a cheeky smile.

As we recently discovered, the police weren't so bold in tackling actual child rapists in places like Rotherham, even though they had scores of complaints over a 10 year period.

But they bravely stormed the house of 73 year old pop singer Cliff Richard, with 8 officers and a BBC helicopter the police invited to cover the raid. Why? Somebody claimed Richard had felt him up... in 1985. Do they have a time travelling DeLorean to collect evidence?

[Image: article-2729941-208C573D00000578-716_306x423.jpg]
Such a hard bastard it took 8 policemen and a helicopter to nab him.

So if you're a cynical bastard like me, you might be inclined to think the police don't actually give much of a fuck about protecting kids. They do care about looking good on TV though.

I recall the Cliff Richard case and agree it was a witch-hunt. What do you think of Jimmy Savile? I think Cliff Richard being older and a confirmed bachelor, with rumours of gayness swirling about him, tarred him with the Jimmy Savile predator brush, resulting in the witchunt.
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John Grisham is being perfectly reasonable here. Nuancing issues and realizing that not everything is black and white is the mark of great intellect, great debate, and great solutions to problems. Unfortunately, the public opinion is akin to Inquisition on this and will allow for no reasonable arguments.

That aside, Grisham is a very good writer. Fine books, lots of interesting issues analyzed in original ways, nuanced characters (including female ones, no strong independent women around unless it's satire), good style. I especially liked The Runaway Jury and The Testament, but the A Time For Killing and The Partner are also good. I haven't read anything his in a long while, but I might order a few of his books from Amazon now.

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Quote: (10-16-2014 11:39 PM)Vronsky Wrote:  

I recall the Cliff Richard case and agree it was a witch-hunt. What do you think of Jimmy Savile? I think Cliff Richard being older and a confirmed bachelor, with rumours of gayness swirling about him, tarred him with the Jimmy Savile predator brush, resulting in the witchunt.

I think they won't be able to build a case against Cliff Richard, unless they found illegal pornography at his home (unlikely, they'd have leaked that by now, to shut up people who criticised their heavy-handed, highly public raid), or unless more people come forward to accuse him.

He's innocent till proven guilty beyond all reasonable doubt. Allegedly some guy says Richard touched him in 1985. Well, how to prove that, 30 years on? Unless there were witnesses, there's no way of corroborating that story.

And we know that disturbed people make up stories about celebrities all the time (like the woman who claimed various Coronation Street actors - who she knew only by the names of their characters on TV - raped her) or can be simply mistaken (like the Lord McAlpine allegations).

Cliff Richard is certainly a victim of the police needing to be seen to be "doing something", after they spectacularly failed to do anything about Savile.

And note that they're only going after the uncool celebrities - 1970's DJ's, Rolf Harris, Freddie Starr and so on. There are plenty of famous rock stars - some of them with knighthoods - who never bothered to hide their dalliances with underaged girls in the 70's.

The police are leaving the cool celebrities alone. They seem to be going after the naff stars because it's easier to turn public opinion against them than it would be, say, a legendary guitarist or a glam rock superstar whose songs are still popular on the radio.
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Quote: (10-16-2014 04:29 PM)Cunnilinguist Wrote:  

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but they got online one night and started surfing around, probably had too much to drink or whatever, and pushed the wrong buttons, went too far and got into child porn."

Thoughts?

Like any other computer crime, child porn allegations are made after long surveillance and investigation during which the suspects need to actively access and download child pornography. It's not like the South Park episode where you click on the wrong site and FBI comes in from your windows. ''Had a little too much to drink and pushed the wrong button and stumbled upon the wrong site'' is just a pure bullshit way to describe this crime. The prosecution already has a large file of your illegal online traffic by the time you are alleged with this crime. This is like saying ''He had a little too much to drink and pushed the wrong trigger to kill that man'' completely idiotic manipulation attempt.
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Quote: (10-17-2014 04:53 AM)turkishcandy Wrote:  

Like any other computer crime, child porn allegations are made after long surveillance and investigation during which the suspects need to actively access and download child pornography. It's not like the South Park episode where you click on the wrong site and FBI comes in from your windows. ''Had a little too much to drink and pushed the wrong button and stumbled upon the wrong site'' is just a pure bullshit way to describe this crime. The prosecution already has a large file of your illegal online traffic by the time you are alleged with this crime. This is like saying ''He had a little too much to drink and pushed the wrong trigger to kill that man'' completely idiotic manipulation attempt.

Look at the quality of investigation during Operation Ore and tell me that again.
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It was a serious error that UK police received no information on the scale of the credit card fraud which had occurred within the Landslide business. Many of the charges at the Landslide affiliated sites were made using stolen credit card information, and the police arrested the real owners of the credit cards, not the viewers. Thousands of credit card charges were made where there was no access to a site, or access only to a dummy site. When the police checked, seven years after Operation Ore commenced, they found 54,348 occurrences of stolen credit card information in the Landslide database. The British police failed to provide this information to the defendants, and in some cases implied that they had checked and found no evidence of credit card fraud when no such check had been done. Because of the nature of the charges, children were removed from homes immediately. In the two years it took the police to determine that thousands had been falsely accused, over one hundred children had been removed from their homes and denied any unsupervised time with their fathers. The arrests also led to an estimated 33 suicides by 2007.

One man was charged when the sole "suspicious" image in his possession was of young-looking—but adult—actress Melissa-Ashley. Also arrested were Massive Attack's Robert Del Naja (later cleared) and the Who's guitarist Pete Townshend, who was cautioned by the police after acknowledging a credit card access to the Landslide website. Duncan Campbell later stated in PC Pro magazine that their credit card charges and IP addresses were traced through the Landslide site, and both were found to have accessed sites which had nothing to do with child pornography.

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He started singing this catchy song, so they needed extra cops to stop it.
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Quote: (10-16-2014 06:16 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

By any measure, sentencing guidelines (for both federal and state-level sex offenses) are far too excessive in the US for sex-crimes. This was the gist of Grisham's comments and he is absolutely correct. I am disappointed that he backed away from his remarks, but he's a political animal too, and needs his book sales from his female readership.

The past 30 years has seen an explosion in:

The expansion of what constitutes a "sex-offense"
The expansion of punitive "sex offender registries"
The expansion is mandatory minimums for so-called "sex offenses"

If more people really worked in the criminal justice system and saw how these things really played out, they would be shocked.
No one is saying that real criminals should not be punished. So let's put that little canard to rest right away.

But there is a hysteria surrounding these cases that has made rational discussion of them nearly impossible. If people really knew the details of what constitutes cyber crimes, file sharing, and all those details, they would not believe it.

Punishments should bear some relation to the crime committed. And this is not currently happening. This is because legislators feed off the hysteria to get elected; judges go with the flow; prosecutors want to look tough; and the public is apathetic and uninformed.

I am sure that Sp5 and any other practicing attorney (i.e., someone who actually practices criminal defense at the state and federal level in the real world) will agree with me on this.

I think Grisham is exaggerating. Who knows, maybe in Memphis . . .

But for me, child porn is not something you see every day in the courts. I only had one client charged with that in 15 years. He was in his mid-40s, no criminal record, city transit bus driver.

He left a bag on a bus with the Polaroid pictures (long time ago) of a naked 13 year old girl in it. He was fucked because the girl was his live-in girlfriend's daughter. I didn't follow the case all the way to the end, had to pass it on, but he ended up getting the minimum, ten years. There are ways to get around the minimum by reducing the charges, but the prosecutor was not inclined because the guy had taken the pictures himself and the presumed harm to the girl from him manipulating her into posing.

I don't think that many guys are getting roped into long sentences because they clink on the wrong link or have things in their cache. There are no "prisons filled" with 60 year olds like Grisham says.

Is ten years too much? In some cases, yes. There was the case where some suspected child porn consumer was getting bombed with offers - from Fed sting organizations. He ended up complaining about it, but finally succumbed and took the bait. I believe the conviction was overturned because of the entrapment.

A part of my perspective is from a trip to Amsterdam in the 1970s. Me and a fellow soldier were wandering around the red light district like a couple of 19 year olds. We went into a porn shop and I saw a rack full of child porn magazines - the covers featured young (like 7 - 8 years old) girls handling male equipment in various ways. Disgusting. The laws are a reaction to that, because an industry had grown up based on using children to produce these images. Targeting consumers is one way to shut the industry down. So I get the rationale.

The internet has made it easier for every kind of pervert, who in the old days might have thought he was the only one who had that perversion, to find his mates, friends and suppliers. In the case of child porn, the technology has made it possible to disseminate the images more easily. One rationale for the harsh sentences is that it's tough to catch people now, with some technical sophistication and encryption it's probably impossible. So the harsh sentence serves as a deterrent to balance that out. "I'm almost certainly not going to get caught, but if I do I'm fucked, so I won't do it."

The difficulty in catching the guys also means that a lot of resources have to be devoted to trying. You're got several agencies involved, including the NSA probably.

So the panic becomes out of proportion to the actual numbers of these pervs. The moral indignation against the crime means that some police departments think it's a good use of time for their officers to be trolling chat rooms posing as 13 year olds rather than driving around town at night looking for the much more common burglary or shattered drunk driver.

Because you have people devoted to this mission, the mission expands and the cases which are not morally abhorrent, indeed innocent, do get drawn in, like the parents who took pictures of their naked kids in the bathtub.
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"A part of my perspective is from a trip to Amsterdam in the 1970s. Me and a fellow soldier were wandering around the red light district like a couple of 19 year olds. We went into a porn shop and I saw a rack full of child porn magazines - the covers featured young (like 7 - 8 years old) girls handling male equipment in various ways. Disgusting. The laws are a reaction to that, because an industry had grown up based on using children to produce these images. Targeting consumers is one way to shut the industry down. So I get the rationale."

This is completely twisted because kids were actually abused and anyone who gets off on it has issues. Most of us don't even like to deal with kids with their clothes on, much less off. For that matter, thinking about kids at all will take you right out of "the mood." So, yeah, that's the kind of thing that should land someone in prison.

But...the USA and now the UK tend to think you have to take a sledgehammer to kill a fly, metaphorically speaking. So we now get officials using kiddie porn laws to bust teenagers who voluntarily sext each other (here is one of thousands of links).

This, IMO, is a complete overreach of electronic data laws and I think it's what Grisham was dancing around. I saved some of the old notes girls from high school wrote to me. There were often lots of sexual innuendo and dirty talk. If sexting is kiddie porn, so was that. But no one back then would have thought to intercept a high schooler's smutty note and scream "it's porn!!!" The fact that we do now is proof we've gone off the rails to some extent.
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Quote: (10-16-2014 06:16 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

By any measure, sentencing guidelines (for both federal and state-level sex offenses) are far too excessive in the US for sex-crimes. This was the gist of Grisham's comments and he is absolutely correct. I am disappointed that he backed away from his remarks, but he's a political animal too, and needs his book sales from his female readership.

The past 30 years has seen an explosion in:

The expansion of what constitutes a "sex-offense"
The expansion of punitive "sex offender registries"
The expansion is mandatory minimums for so-called "sex offenses"

If more people really worked in the criminal justice system and saw how these things really played out, they would be shocked.
No one is saying that real criminals should not be punished. So let's put that little canard to rest right away.

But there is a hysteria surrounding these cases that has made rational discussion of them nearly impossible. If people really knew the details of what constitutes cyber crimes, file sharing, and all those details, they would not believe it.

Punishments should bear some relation to the crime committed. And this is not currently happening. This is because legislators feed off the hysteria to get elected; judges go with the flow; prosecutors want to look tough; and the public is apathetic and uninformed.

I am sure that Sp5 and any other practicing attorney (i.e., someone who actually practices criminal defense at the state and federal level in the real world) will agree with me on this.

I agree with you, and it's not just limited to sex offenses; drug prohibition is a far more salient example. The late 1980s through mid-2000s featured a "tough on crime" backlash in many jurisdictions that resulted in discretion being transferred from the judiciary to prosecutors and extended prison terms for relatively minor crimes.

It still continues; the other day, SCOTUS denied cert over a case in which a judge used acquitted conduct to justify an upward departure from the sentencing guidelines.
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Quote: (10-17-2014 11:39 AM)lurker Wrote:  

Quote: (10-16-2014 06:16 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

By any measure, sentencing guidelines (for both federal and state-level sex offenses) are far too excessive in the US for sex-crimes. This was the gist of Grisham's comments and he is absolutely correct. I am disappointed that he backed away from his remarks, but he's a political animal too, and needs his book sales from his female readership.

The past 30 years has seen an explosion in:

The expansion of what constitutes a "sex-offense"
The expansion of punitive "sex offender registries"
The expansion is mandatory minimums for so-called "sex offenses"

If more people really worked in the criminal justice system and saw how these things really played out, they would be shocked.
No one is saying that real criminals should not be punished. So let's put that little canard to rest right away.

But there is a hysteria surrounding these cases that has made rational discussion of them nearly impossible. If people really knew the details of what constitutes cyber crimes, file sharing, and all those details, they would not believe it.

Punishments should bear some relation to the crime committed. And this is not currently happening. This is because legislators feed off the hysteria to get elected; judges go with the flow; prosecutors want to look tough; and the public is apathetic and uninformed.

I am sure that Sp5 and any other practicing attorney (i.e., someone who actually practices criminal defense at the state and federal level in the real world) will agree with me on this.

I agree with you, and it's not just limited to sex offenses; drug prohibition is a far more salient example. The late 1980s through mid-2000s featured a "tough on crime" backlash in many jurisdictions that resulted in discretion being transferred from the judiciary to prosecutors and extended prison terms for relatively minor crimes.

It still continues; the other day, SCOTUS denied cert over a case in which a judge used acquitted conduct to justify an upward departure from the sentencing guidelines.

The wave of tough on crime drug crap spread like wildfire in part because the government realized it could steal property through civil asset forfeiture and sell it off.

Follow the money.

Sp5, can the government seize a person's home if they find this stuff on their computer?

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Quote: (10-17-2014 11:52 AM)TheWastelander Wrote:  

Quote: (10-17-2014 11:39 AM)lurker Wrote:  

Quote: (10-16-2014 06:16 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

By any measure, sentencing guidelines (for both federal and state-level sex offenses) are far too excessive in the US for sex-crimes. This was the gist of Grisham's comments and he is absolutely correct. I am disappointed that he backed away from his remarks, but he's a political animal too, and needs his book sales from his female readership.

The past 30 years has seen an explosion in:

The expansion of what constitutes a "sex-offense"
The expansion of punitive "sex offender registries"
The expansion is mandatory minimums for so-called "sex offenses"

If more people really worked in the criminal justice system and saw how these things really played out, they would be shocked.
No one is saying that real criminals should not be punished. So let's put that little canard to rest right away.

But there is a hysteria surrounding these cases that has made rational discussion of them nearly impossible. If people really knew the details of what constitutes cyber crimes, file sharing, and all those details, they would not believe it.

Punishments should bear some relation to the crime committed. And this is not currently happening. This is because legislators feed off the hysteria to get elected; judges go with the flow; prosecutors want to look tough; and the public is apathetic and uninformed.

I am sure that Sp5 and any other practicing attorney (i.e., someone who actually practices criminal defense at the state and federal level in the real world) will agree with me on this.

I agree with you, and it's not just limited to sex offenses; drug prohibition is a far more salient example. The late 1980s through mid-2000s featured a "tough on crime" backlash in many jurisdictions that resulted in discretion being transferred from the judiciary to prosecutors and extended prison terms for relatively minor crimes.

It still continues; the other day, SCOTUS denied cert over a case in which a judge used acquitted conduct to justify an upward departure from the sentencing guidelines.

The wave of tough on crime drug crap spread like wildfire in part because the government realized it could steal property through civil asset forfeiture and sell it off.

Follow the money.

Sp5, can the government seize a person's home if they find this stuff on their computer?

I don't think so unless they were producing the porn in the house.
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The expansion of "sex offenses" is a sick union of the totalitarians of the left and right. When these two get together, nothing good happens.

The totalitarians of the right are religious freaks who want to outlaw everything that is "a sin."

The totalitarians of the left are social-justice warriors who want to protect "victims."
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