[Akula]

(10-15-2014 01:40 PM)Ternarydemonite Wrote:  

(10-15-2014 01:20 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(10-15-2014 12:47 PM)Ternarydemonite Wrote:  

Curiously, my therapist is quite red-pill, in his 50s, and regularly engages in BDSM sessions with women 20 years younger.

Why would your therapist share this with you?

WIA

Not in details of course, just as a fun fact, precisely because he is the red-pill, anti-establishment type of therapist.

What?

I'm sorry but my troll-detector is at Defcon 6 right now.



Guys we're being gamed and seriously trolled here methinks!!

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

(10-14-2014 11:50 PM)Suits Wrote:  

I've had the opportunity to meet a bunch of forum members and so far, with limited exception, they've all been emotionally aware, thinking individuals who at a different time would have happily married young and remained committed to their families till the day they died.

Just because the OP sees a therapist, doesn't mean that they rest of us are not well adjusted, rational beings, who are simply trying to find meaning in a world where commitment to a woman is a dangerous path.

p.s. and my experience too, 100%

[Ternarydemonite]

(10-16-2014 10:24 PM)Vitriol Wrote:  

What your therapist told you (assuming this is true) is actually common ground the those of us who have been around for awhile. Guys who give her "the key emotional aspects" are the Beta Bucks types who he's trying to spin as somehow morally superior, even though they form more of a visceral attraction to emotionally distant alphas who they will fuck without knowing too well, and "accidently" get pregnant from in a nightclub bathroom. Obviously, it's in a woman's interest to keep men in the dark about this and there are tons of posts about it floating around the manosphere. Your therapist is trying to turn you into a guy who spends money on expensive dates and weddings under the guise of saying that's the "emotionally mature" thing to do, even though it's a total lie and woman stop maturing emotionally much earlier than men.

I strongly suspect that he's probably a hippie baby boomer also, who has an inflated salary for doing little to no work because he was born at the right time in history. Bottom line: he's full of shit and therapists need to create concepts like this out of thin air to keep their clients thinking and the money coming in.

Thanks man. My jaw fell down and I can guarantee you that I will seriously think about the issue.

[Lemmo]

(10-14-2014 05:43 PM)Ternarydemonite Wrote:  

One of the deficiencies faced by many men in the manosphere is their inability to form true emotional attachment with people, specially women. Since many of us lacked valuable experience since young age, usually since our early 20s, we never developed key mental processes which lead to form emotional attachment.

As we discovered Game, sometimes in our late 20s, we literally learned to fuck without learning to attach or "love" women, as some may call it. I commented the issue with my therapist and she pointed that many concepts in the manosphere are logically true but ultimately flawed, since they arise from the experience of people with emotional deficiencies.

In such regard, our view of Game and women is usually biased by a narrow point of view, almost genital in nature, ignoring key emotional aspects which ultimately are shared by all human beings in one form or another. An obvious example as you learn Game is when you manage to bang a girl, but she stops responding after some bangs/dates. While many in the manosphere will point that she went to bang the next alpha in the pipeline, sometimes it just means our clear inability to form (or at least make her hamster believe to) a true emotional attachment, which all women crave. Once she detects that not only we only want to fuck her, but that we only know how to fuck her, she of course leaves to search for men who can provide the complete package. Psychopaths excel at Game since they know how to create such attachment in the mind of a woman, instead of just knowing which buttons to push to get a quick bang.

Once I shared the story of roosh and his lifestyle, he pointed key emotional deficiencies, as exemplified by his posts on Anna. I share most of such emotional deficiencies. I actually had one hell of a session, and will continue to study the topic.

Please maturely share what you think are key emotional deficiencies shared by us in the forum.

You might want to ask your therapist about projection.

[jariel]

After Fisto's post...

[MikeyMikeB]

I have "emotional deficiencies", but they were brought about by being blue pill with my first girlfriend. I spent two years with this girl, falling deeply and having no reservations. After breaking up and reflecting with no female contact for a year, I hardened up like I looked at Medusa, and this was before finding sites like this. I have never had a low like the months following the break up. In fact no one has any control over my emotions besides me, and this is the greatest feeling in the world. I'd say "emotional deficiencies" might be better described as emotional freedom.

[DarkTriad]

(10-14-2014 06:58 PM)DannyAlberta Wrote:  

maybe modern red-pill men do have emotional deficiencies. maybe.

but they pale in comparison to the emotional deficiencies of the modern "strong, independent woman" ™.

i think we have a bit of a chicken or the egg thing going on.

I don't hang out with a whole lot of Redpillers IRL, but is this even a thing? I've never had a problem falling in love. I've been with a great girl that treats me great for many years. I wouldn't have had the strength or savvy to maintain her worshipful love without TRP.

I feel genuine affection for every other sidepiece that enriches my life. I've got to embrace TRP to avoid "giving away the store", not because I lack the ability to bond.

Do any of the other guys here feel "damaged"? My Bluepill life left me pretty damaged. My Redpill life has been therapeutic (and a heck of a lot happier). Is the The Redpill lifestyle being "damaged", or merely being prudent in a risky world?

Serious question.

[RUIN]

(10-19-2014 09:29 PM)DarkTriad Wrote:  

(10-14-2014 06:58 PM)DannyAlberta Wrote:  

maybe modern red-pill men do have emotional deficiencies. maybe.

but they pale in comparison to the emotional deficiencies of the modern "strong, independent woman" ™.

i think we have a bit of a chicken or the egg thing going on.

I don't hang out with a whole lot of Redpillers IRL, but is this even a thing? I've never had a problem falling in love. I've been with a great girl that treats me great for many years. I wouldn't have had the strength or savvy to maintain her worshipful love without TRP.

I feel genuine affection for every other sidepiece that enriches my life. I've got to embrace TRP to avoid "giving away the store", not because I lack the ability to bond.

Do any of the other guys here feel "damaged"? My Bluepill life left me pretty damaged. My Redpill life has been therapeutic (and a heck of a lot happier). Is the The Redpill lifestyle being "damaged", or merely being prudent in a risky world?

Serious question.

Personally I believe it is prudent and wise given the state of affairs. you said it yourself your BluePill life left you damaged and I can assume your BluePill life probably conformed (to a degree) to the social norm.

As far as it's effect on others it probably comes down to how they exercise that knowledge, for one it might be beneficial and for others it can be equally destructive. I have found life a lot more enjoyable living the RedPill and it wasn't because I was completely BluePill before it was just what I thought/felt in my gut I could neither define nor see a place such as this or ROK. ever since the biggest part was being able to safely say "I'm not going crazy - this shit is real and it's common" which made living RedPill much more satisfying.

[Courage Reborn]

This post hit a nerve for me.

Ever since getting into the game 10 years ago, I've slowly gone from cool, to nearly ice cold. Deficient? I don't know. I do know that I will never open up emotionally unless she's exceptional. And most women don't act right anymore.

Am I expecting too much? 10 years ago my standards would have been pretty normal. But thanks to the red pill, I keep getting success, so fuck settling. I can afford to keep gunning for top quality a little longer.

Sustained success in the game comes at a cost, as Nomad said. I'm addicted to novelty, sure. But for the right girl, I would quit cold turkey. No doubt in my mind.

"The right girl"...the final sliver of blue-pill hope I'm still grasping at when I make an approach. I refuse to let go. A life without hope is not worth living.

In 'Mans Search for Meaning', we learned that the struggle itself defines us. In suffering, we find purpose. From 'Way of the Superior Man', it is not the result of our work which makes us fulfilled, but in doing the work itself.

The price is a bitch. But the red pill has made me a better man. It's heightened my bar for quality. It's made me less tolerant of bad behavior, and better equipped to correct it. I can understand my woman better than she understands herself.

Yes, swallowing the red pill comes at a cost. But I will choose it over the helplessness & fear of the unknown I had 10 years ago. I stared into the abyss, and explored that dark side of human nature. Yes, now I know the devil. And learned to go toe to toe with the motherfucker.

[Nomad77]

One thing to bear in mind, even if you do find a good woman, you still need game concepts and the man that game made you to keep her inline. It doesn't matter how good a woman is the moment she feels she has the upper hang in a relation you are going to regret it. So yes, I know, that being in a LTR with a good woman will require some adjustment and work on my part but I also know without my game knowledge and skill set that relationship would not last.

Even in a LTR relationship game is still required and it lays a foundation that is very important. Ultimately, like everything else, you will get tired of the hunt - some men more quickly than others. It's at this point that you should consider a LTR with a decent woman.

[Suits]

(10-19-2014 10:22 PM)Courage Reborn Wrote:  

This post hit a nerve for me.

Ever since getting into the game 10 years ago, I've slowly gone from cool, to nearly ice cold. Deficient? I don't know. I do know that I will never open up emotionally unless she's exceptional. And most women don't act right anymore.

Am I expecting too much? 10 years ago my standards would have been pretty normal. But thanks to the red pill, I keep getting success, so fuck settling. I can afford to keep gunning for top quality a little longer.

Sustained success in the game comes at a cost, as Nomad said. I'm addicted to novelty, sure. But for the right girl, I would quit cold turkey. No doubt in my mind.

"The right girl"...the final sliver of blue-pill hope I'm still grasping at when I make an approach. I refuse to let go. A life without hope is not worth living.

In 'Mans Search for Meaning', we learned that the struggle itself defines us. In suffering, we find purpose. From 'Way of the Superior Man', it is not the result of our work which makes us fulfilled, but in doing the work itself.

The price is a bitch. But the red pill has made me a better man. It's heightened my bar for quality. It's made me less tolerant of bad behavior, and better equipped to correct it. I can understand my woman better than she understands herself.

Yes, swallowing the red pill comes at a cost. But I will choose it over the helplessness & fear of the unknown I had 10 years ago. I stared into the abyss, and explored that dark side of human nature. Yes, now I know the devil. And learned to go toe to toe with the motherfucker.

I understand what you are saying, but while my experience has been similar, it's felt nothing but positive to go down that path.

First, I live in a world of self-honest now. I am honest about each woman's true value and I treat her accordingly, rather than mentally inflating her worth because I desperately want her to be the one.

Second, by realize how little women offer in terms of real friendship, I've learned to value and make an effort to achieve strong male friendships (no homo).

Sure, it may be disappointing to accept that a woman can never complete you, but they were never meant to and no previous societies ever thought that they could. Only because of the more modern influence of Hollywood type films and media, do we ever consider this a possibility.

Therefore, at the most, I can be disappointed that the lie isn't true.

In the end, however, I've discovered something that is much better than the lie ever was. There's no greater satisfaction than being in a community with other men who do not believe the lie.

That's the real life.

[zombiejimmorrison]

This topic has some great insight into the addictions of game. However its easy to notice that the manosphere does balance things out. Plenty of information out there urging guys to go after their ambition in life and pursue the relationships they want.

These places only exist because of the current society. Most men are monogamous when the initiative is there. What's the initiative now, everything from the system is stacked against guys. Marriage, divorce, child custody etc. Love for children keep men and women together, that's why monogamy is the number one choice for most humans, having socialised government takes that away. Women's mistakes are paid for by the tax dollar. Women would not ride the cock carousel or entertain their hypergamy without all these artificial safety nets. Men are finally following suit and taking advantage of the system, its not emotional deficiencies, its a reality we saw when we took the red pill. Most guys here will eventually get a life partner and form a bond. You can't keep fucking 9s and 10s when you're 60.